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cigracing1 01-30-2009 10:13 AM


Price is WAY too high,... I had a 98' Gun that was completely re done, and as good as my boat and Phils boat looks... the fact is that it is still a straight bottom gun with small power and a good restoration. Anyone serious about buying a boat in that price range would be hauling Wild's boat back home first and paying to get it painted. Phil's is a really nice boat but it is still what is always was ... My guess is really low 100's, and at that I would still beat up Rqandy on his price and pay the difference ! just my .02, and I know it means nothing !!
I would like to see the gun you re-did compared to his.

runafever 01-30-2009 10:20 AM

Tanner has a legitimate comparison. His boat was a 98 although but If my memory serves me right his boat had bigger power. I think the boat is a 115k to 125k max! Lots of buys on twin steps right now. I would look hard at this boat. They did a killer job. Tanners boat was killer and Im sure he knows how many $ went into his to make it sweet.


Raf

pm203 01-30-2009 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by runafever (Post 2789297)
Tanner has a legitimate comparison. His boat was a 98 although but If my memory serves me right his boat had bigger power. I think the boat is a 115k to 125k max! Lots of buys on twin steps right now. I would look hard at this boat. They did a killer job. Tanners boat was killer and Im sure he knows how many $ went into his to make it sweet.


Raf

I don't think that it is a legitimate comparison. I'm sure Tanner's 98 was nice, but Phil's 2000 is a vacuum bagged straight bottom and looks like a 2009. It was a much nicer boat to start with and has the right look. There are already several people interested.

runafever 01-30-2009 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by pm203 (Post 2789352)
I don't think that it is a legitimate comparison. I'm sure Tanner's 98 was nice, but Phil's 2000 is a vacuum bagged straight bottom and looks like a 2009. It was a much nicer boat to start with and has the right look. There are already several people interested.

I agree that it is a beautiful boat but it is still a straight bottom boat for a twin step asking price. Tanners boat sold months ago before our economy foiled that sank the values on our boats. Tanners boat is a legitimate comparison because it it was re done and was not 150k. I only implied that 150k for a 9 year old straight v bottom, 500hp bravo boat with a cover girl cabin and a nice paint job is ludicris. Lets be real. Not trying to ruffle any feathers but I would be bringing home a 2003 TS 575 boat for that kind of jack. The boat is sweet though. Just a little strong on the dollar.

Brad 01-30-2009 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 2789046)
I was fueling up when those pics were taken. The boat looks even better up close. Like new for $149...hard to beat that.

I would not pay that for a boat that cost areound $175 new in 2000.

dnebo 01-30-2009 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by runafever (Post 2789376)
I agree that it is a beautiful boat but it is still a straight bottom boat for a twin step asking price. Tanners boat sold months ago before our economy foiled that sank the values on our boats. Tanners boat is a legitimate comparison because it it was re done and was not 150k. I only implied that 150k for a 9 year old straight v bottom, 500hp bravo boat with a cover girl cabin and a nice paint job is ludicris. Lets be real. Not trying to ruffle any feathers but I would be bringing home a 2003 TS 575 boat for that kind of jack. The boat is sweet though. Just a little strong on the dollar.

Tanner’s boat was nice but looking at the pictures of just the interior you could see bridging and loose fitting vinyl.
Although I have not seen either boat in person I am sure that this comparison is not apples to apples. I would guess the detail was not there.
Don’t get me wrong Tanner’s boat was/is a very nice boat that anybody should proud to own.

pm203 01-30-2009 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by Brad (Post 2789401)
I would not pay that for a boat that cost areound $175 new in 2000.

Wrong. That particular boat was $225K + when new and was sold to a second owner the same year for over $210K

tanner 01-30-2009 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by pm203 (Post 2789352)
I don't think that it is a legitimate comparison. I'm sure Tanner's 98 was nice, but Phil's 2000 is a vacuum bagged straight bottom and looks like a 2009. It was a much nicer boat to start with and has the right look. There are already several people interested.

Kinda missing my point, You can compare both boats, and make good and bad assumptions about both our boats, but my point was just that a straight bottom gun, with 500's priced at 150K in this market is not even close ..( in my opinion) It doesnt matter if Phil re-did it, or Barack Obama did it and put his presidential seal on it, it is still an old style hull boat ..PERIOD. and with what 2002 and 2003 T/S's are going for, it doesn't make sense . I am not comparing boats, it has nothing to do with mine. Thats all I was saying ! if someone falls in love with it and he gets upwards of 130 - 140K then that is great and the new owner will think he got a great boat..and that is all that matters. There is not too much good late 90's ,2000 flat bottoms out there ,so there will be a buyer!

I think Phil does an excellant job on his boats, and yes better detail than mine had, and iwould love to own a Lip Ship boat someday, I am only being realistic on value !

cigracing1 01-30-2009 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by gregsweeney (Post 2788897)
I'm considering the boat what do you guys think about the price?

Greg, I think the boat is worth every penny but then again I'm crazy and now have $150k+ in my Cigarette 24 Firefox Lip-Ship Edition. I can tell you that when you buy a boat from Phil a friendship comes with it. I met him a little over a year ago when we decided to do this project and he's part of the family now.

I think you pay for what you get and sometimes you have to pay a little bit more to get that.

Lip-Ship 20 & 38TG will eventually join the fleet.

Stormrider 01-30-2009 02:42 PM

What kinds of backing/warranty will phil give w/ this boat?


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