2000 TopGun Lip-Ship Resto
 

Philly is redoing one of the nicest 2000 TopGuns ever built. It was specifically built for Pudge at no expense spared. It is a F-2 light layup boat vacuum bagged and built like its twin-step brothers. When new, the boat was a 78-79 MPH boat with 500 EFI,s! Phil is doing all the updates and this boat is going to look and run like an 09 for a fraction of the cost. Check it out!! This boat will be a winner!!

I have pics of the build somewhere, he is selling that boat cheap!!!!, and it looks great!!!

lets see some pics paul... im very interested in this project...

If its the boat im thinking of, I like the old paint job better......
Jr.

I was a little sad myself. I used to own this boat. However, with Harold from Grafikworx painting it and Mike from Fine-Line doing the cockpit, a new boat will be born. And, not just any boat. A new Lip-Ship resto on a perfect example of a very special boat. This boat was very light and ran incredible. With the new look and complete mechanical re-do, this boat will be a gem for someone. And, the best part, it will look like an 09!!

i like the new piant better..... great job harold...

This boat turned out great. I might be interested:rolleyes::rolleyes:

like brand new!!!

saw this boat up close last week at Phils, boat looks amazing...

were you in the white motion sunday, i was on the cig ideling with you up to fisher island area

yes, the boat looks awsome

sweet Cig I love it!

More pics added to his website. I really like the paint. Now if this economy would turn around I might be in market again.

http://www.lipship.com/preowned/1212...-TopGun09.html

I'm considering the boat what do you guys think about the price?

Beat him up on the price!:evilb: I'm guessing he has a little room as long as you dont have a trade. Go for it, that thing is sweet. :ernaehrung004:

wow what a nice looking piece

I was fueling up when those pics were taken. The boat looks even better up close. Like new for $149...hard to beat that.

Price is WAY too high,... I had a 98' Gun that was completely re done, and as good as my boat and Phils boat looks... the fact is that it is still a straight bottom gun with small power and a good restoration. Anyone serious about buying a boat in that price range would be hauling Wild's boat back home first and paying to get it painted. Phil's is a really nice boat but it is still what is always was ... My guess is really low 100's, and at that I would still beat up Rqandy on his price and pay the difference ! just my .02, and I know it means nothing !! :drink:

Let me clarify before anyone jumps all over my ****... the boat is worth more... but in this economy and with all the new boats selling for 30 -40 % discount, it is only common sense that all boats are taking the % loss also. I think 2 years ago the boat would have sold instantly, or been priced 30 K higher.

If I was not restoring my 20' Cig now - I would be buying this one - very nice indeed! I`m drewling

I would like to see the gun you re-did compared to his.

Tanner has a legitimate comparison. His boat was a 98 although but If my memory serves me right his boat had bigger power. I think the boat is a 115k to 125k max! Lots of buys on twin steps right now. I would look hard at this boat. They did a killer job. Tanners boat was killer and Im sure he knows how many $ went into his to make it sweet.


Raf

I don't think that it is a legitimate comparison. I'm sure Tanner's 98 was nice, but Phil's 2000 is a vacuum bagged straight bottom and looks like a 2009. It was a much nicer boat to start with and has the right look. There are already several people interested.

I agree that it is a beautiful boat but it is still a straight bottom boat for a twin step asking price. Tanners boat sold months ago before our economy foiled that sank the values on our boats. Tanners boat is a legitimate comparison because it it was re done and was not 150k. I only implied that 150k for a 9 year old straight v bottom, 500hp bravo boat with a cover girl cabin and a nice paint job is ludicris. Lets be real. Not trying to ruffle any feathers but I would be bringing home a 2003 TS 575 boat for that kind of jack. The boat is sweet though. Just a little strong on the dollar.

I would not pay that for a boat that cost areound $175 new in 2000.

Tanner’s boat was nice but looking at the pictures of just the interior you could see bridging and loose fitting vinyl.
Although I have not seen either boat in person I am sure that this comparison is not apples to apples. I would guess the detail was not there.
Don’t get me wrong Tanner’s boat was/is a very nice boat that anybody should proud to own.

Wrong. That particular boat was $225K + when new and was sold to a second owner the same year for over $210K

Kinda missing my point, You can compare both boats, and make good and bad assumptions about both our boats, but my point was just that a straight bottom gun, with 500's priced at 150K in this market is not even close ..( in my opinion) It doesnt matter if Phil re-did it, or Barack Obama did it and put his presidential seal on it, it is still an old style hull boat ..PERIOD. and with what 2002 and 2003 T/S's are going for, it doesn't make sense . I am not comparing boats, it has nothing to do with mine. Thats all I was saying ! if someone falls in love with it and he gets upwards of 130 - 140K then that is great and the new owner will think he got a great boat..and that is all that matters. There is not too much good late 90's ,2000 flat bottoms out there ,so there will be a buyer!

I think Phil does an excellant job on his boats, and yes better detail than mine had, and iwould love to own a Lip Ship boat someday, I am only being realistic on value !

Greg, I think the boat is worth every penny but then again I'm crazy and now have $150k+ in my Cigarette 24 Firefox Lip-Ship Edition. I can tell you that when you buy a boat from Phil a friendship comes with it. I met him a little over a year ago when we decided to do this project and he's part of the family now.

I think you pay for what you get and sometimes you have to pay a little bit more to get that.

Lip-Ship 20 & 38TG will eventually join the fleet.

What kinds of backing/warranty will phil give w/ this boat?

Why do you say Wrong?

You are un-informed of what you could buy a top gun for in 2000. I was in the market for a new boat and eventually ordered a 2001 Play Boy which was cheaper than the 2000 LIP-SHIP Top Gun in Question.

I was offered the same TOP-GUN model from Ralph Martin marine in 2000 for $175K, light lay-up, with Dave Hunter palnt and Bulldogs instead of 500 EFI's. Boat ran 77-78 MPH.

I owned that boat and know the history of that boat and what it sold for to the first 4 owners. $175K may have bought you a stripped Martin Topgun back then, but not this boat.

Interesting debate...I know of a few Chevelles that are worth a bit more now than they were new. Point being what the boat cost or was new is irrelevant. The subject boat, while yes a flat bottom, has a somewhat unique layup and has now been completely redone. In many ways the boat is now probably better than it was when new simply because the components are much better now. Try doing a complete resto on a boat and see what it costs. And remember some may prefer a flat bottom over a ts. If you're looking for a very well done, turn-key, old school type boat that will last for years, I think it appropriately priced.

Even though this boat is a straight hull you have to appreciate the fact that it is a light lay up Cig done by Phil and NEEDS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.......When I bought my current boat(not a cig but a Hustler 388) 2 years ago I planned on doing a "few" upgrades to a 99 that was in very good condition which turned into $30,000 in upgrades real quick.......these were just cosmetic. The longer you look at a boat you decide to replace some interior showing some light wear, some custom painting here and there, maybe powdercoat this and that, maybe some new guages or a trailer restoration, custom touches to accent your ride etc., replacing items that when you bought the boat you thought you would never touch. All in an effort to get your older model to as close to new condition as you can. If it's showroom condition (I would expect nothing less from Phil) I can see it bringing close to that price.....a timeless classic

I bought the boat from Pudge, 235k at the time, and it is 10 times better now than it was then..

Case closed! :D

Bottom line....You're getting a brand new boat for 150k. Original light lay up that has been completely updated, gone through inside and out, from the prop nuts to the bow rub rail. This is BAR NONE the nicest straight bottom Cig on the market right now! More than other straight bottom Cigs? Maybe. But it's been said over and over again...You get what you pay for!

You can not compare the build quality. The quality of the build is second to none! The price is what it is. Debate it all you want but it was set by someone that obviously knows the market and knows how much went into the boat. Anyone that has bought from Phil or knows Phil, knows he's a very fair person.

whomever is in the market and interested in looking at this boat, here's some advise:

Do not walk into Phils office and "grind him" or "beat him up" on the price. You will be tossed out on your azz. Phils good to work with and more importantly, he will work with you. Go in and be straight up and he'll be straight up with you. Try to play hard ball and he wont sell you the boat for 200k if you're being an azz.

Beautiful boat. The paint is incredible, first class, no corners cut anywhere. As Tank said, it's a new Cig for short $$$:ernaehrung004:

This is how i got my first boat from phil, it was a 99 F2 straight bottom and it was perfect when i got it and those were my best two years of boating, (except i like runing in the 90s now) turn key, no repairs, no down time for paint, interior, engines etc. get in go, and always had great story to tell at the dock about the boat,.

That boat will get more attention at the dock then most that are few years old. I saw that boat in person last weekend and its a 10, there is a serious buyer there right now looking at it, so if you are interested better call today

Not sure what a stripped down cig was considered at the time. Boat was vacuum bagged, sea strainers, XR, I would have rather had bull dogs than the 500 EFI’s at the time.

Seems to be an incredible bias towards the Lip Ship models by some people. Philly has worked hard for a strong following and loyal customers. Good for him and I applauded his ability to serve his market. You are paying a premium to have his name on your boat! Is the Lip Ship model worth significantly more than another cig built by the same company? I guess for you is was worth close to $50 K more, personally I would rather put the extra money into Poker Runs and vacations.