WTB: Mystique, Vice or Updated 35's
 

Anybody with such ? or point in the right direction? cash burning a whole in pocket :cool-smiley-027:

there is a beautiful mystique, 2000, 500's I think for $70k. looks like a really nice boat

Deposit is already on it.:rolleyes:

Have you seen the Cafe Racer in Ill with Baker 500's, it looks real nice, great paint.

There is a mystique in Dallas for around $89K. Freshwater, 496HO's.

It has very "questionable" paint I'd say, and he won't budge below 79 at this point. He didn't feel 500 efi's are more valuable than HO's, etc. He claims to know the Cig market, but sells a bunch of dirty lookin pontoons and knock-off ski boats from what I can tell. Maybe that is a fair price....but I don't think so.

Compared to the 2000 with 500's that just sold for "70K", that is no deal to me.

link?

i figured it was that one, i thought about looking at that one but they were asking 92k, and then i found the one i ended up buying

definately take a hard look at the 35 Cafe up here. you will not find a nicer boat.

How long ago was that?

Yours by far has the better looking paint.:drink:

Jan 2008.

Baker 500's.....????????????????????:eek::eek::eek: Nice looking boat just too old for me personally

Wow, he must really "know" this market and his pricing like he told me then.:eek:

It appears that Tres Martin may sell that 99 Top Gun flat bottom with some decent power for 75K, making this for 80+ too steep to me.

Are you looking for a second boat, to compliment the 2003 Cigarette Top Gun you have listed in your profile as your current boat?

I know to many people this is going to be stupid and not true etc..... but for me anyway the mystique held added value for my lifestlye. i wanted a cigarette, a 35/38 was too big, not only can i not tow it, but the marina where i keep the mystique (high and dry) is pretty close to maxed out with my 30. a 38 would definitly not fit.

so for me mystique was my first choice, i love the size, it handles the water like most 35 to 38's, its got speed and its a cig.... supply and demand i think has a little to do with mystiques holding there value

had that 2002 had a little better paint jobi dont think 79k would be too off the mark, if a 30 was what you were wanting

I think there is a lot to what you say as I specifically want a 30 due to the brand new 3/4 truck I bought that can't really go bigger, etc.

But with so few of them, the one at "70K" really kind of sets the market to some extent, especially given it had lower hours, bigger power and good paint. Boats that are priced right move still, most things sit. I am not of the belief that anything is recovering soon (unfortunately) and when it does the boats people are waiting to sell will be older and gas much higher. If you read old posts going back to 06 even, it has been a "buyers market" from what I can tell, so some people holding out may be missing real buyers, but only time will tell.

If his price was right for that boat, I'd say it'd been sold by now as clearly there are more buyers than sellers of Mystiques. Everything is only worth what someone will pay. I'd probably be willing to closer to 79 but can't/shouldn't, perhaps someone else can and will.

i wouldnt have paid 79k for the 2002, but i would have probly paid more than 70k for bmanforts. I found mine from a guy who was a "must sell" so im happy, and someone definitly got a deal on bmans

Why dont you just post the real price it sold for!!! That might really set the market price :ernaehrung004:

I'm starting to think it's more than what I was told and agreed to, that at least would make some sense as to what happened?:rolleyes:

Either way I'm bummed (as you are I'm sure) to miss out on the one deal I clearly thought I was in line for and could swing.

listen, ive known billy literally my whole life and this was by no means a blowout or fire sale. For any of you that dont know him, he is a fanatic about the stuff he has, and I wouldnt be surprised if his boat was one of the cleanest and best taken care of 2000's that any of you have seen. With that said, the boat was priced where it should be to sell, not too low and not too high.

Also, I know what WMF had it bought for, and take this however you want, but this boat being a 2000 and the price WMF had it bought for, makes all of the 20 year old Bullets WAYYYYY off in asking price.........when you look at what WMF had it bought for and 5050's Bullet @$40K, which I think is the best priced on the market, I think any logical person would take the 20 year newer boat for the money it would take to buy mystique, correct WMF??????

Let us know when you "must sell" to move up to a top gun and keep passing on the good deals?:drink:

I agree, in reality I'd think the 2000 with 500's to be worth a bit more than it sold for, and the 02 with HO's less than the 2000. One was "sold" a month ago, with a backup buyer, and again a day after listing (I STILL don't understand why it was even listed). The other has been for sale for over a year at a minimum. Kind of tells me which number is closer to the real value buyers will pay.

All I know is it is definitely not easy to value such low production boats these days (as obvious by the constant conversations on here about Guns where there is a much larger sample size even). I thought I had come across the perfect deal for me.....but it wasn't to be. So either now it's back to "reality" with the pricing of the 02 for me if I'm too low, or he won't sell it as he's not realistic.

This "buyers market" isn't panning out for me yet, as I've lost out on 2 boats now I've tried to buy, and to buy as quick as I could. They were both deals I thought, but otherwise I haven't seen too many that I can both afford and want.

Bill is a great guy, and his boat was perfect!! All Performace boat ( Cigarette) owners will need to look at thier price when it comes out what he sold his Mystique for, the problem is it does not matter what you pay for a boat, or your credit score these days, it is what you put down, what you really make( business owners) and what you have in the bank!!!!! I dont care how cheap it is, banks dont care right now!!!!!:eek:

Bingo!! You better have close to 50% down and still Bank of America will tell you NO PERFORMANCE boats.
So Good luck!! AND it doesnt matter what you have in the bank.

O on another note B O A NO longer has MY money!!!!!!!!!!!

Quinlan

I had a few people that had financing issues on something the NADA says is worth 6 figures. It is currently a tough banking environment.

I'd have to somewhat disagree with that. Being Bman found what must have been an awesome deal on a Gladiator, thta must have had some affect on what he was able to sell the Mystique for. I know, i lived it, i owned a 2000 29' Fountian when i bought the mystique. As soon as i bought the Mystique the price dropped on the Fountian. It doesnt take long to drop the price when your add up the carrying cost on 2 boats. Had i not saved on the Cig, i might not have been able to dump the fountain?

buy boat 2 for 30k less than market value, sell boat 1 for 20k less than market, still up 10k.... does that "set" the market??? yes and no

Not to throw this thread off topic (because I would hate to detract from yet another thread on market values:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:) But BOA is a HORRIBLE bank. I still have one or two accounts with them because I had a DD coming out and can't figure out how in the hell to change it - damn student loans!!

This debate will go on forever, but hell it's fun to speculate! :drink:

Some "buyers" are completely missing the point. If an Enzo sells today for $20k because the owner needs a quick $20k, that does not mean that all Ferrari Enzo's are now worth $20k. No....it doesn't, and there will be no Enzo in the driveway regardless of what someone "thinks" they should be able to buy for. It's the exact same scenario with boats.

One distress sale does NOT set the market. If it did, the self proclaimed "buyers", would have a boat by now. If the boat has to sit until the correct number comes, so be it. The "right" price, is ultimately determined by the seller, not the buyer.

The part that is humorous to some of us, is that this IS a great time to get a good deal on a boat, but some are still so misinformed on how the market works, that they are STILL boatless!! It really shows who's trying to be on the water this year, and who's still just showing off on the internet, year after year. :grinser010:

The Mystiques are sweet! They are a tough sale because the buyers in that price range have many choices that include bigger boats. That does not mean they are worth $15k as a result, it just takes a more specific buyer......similar to a Gladiator sale.

Market value is the price at which an asset would trade in a competitive Walrasian auction setting

With that being said, the seller has no say on what market value is.

I understand you, and everyone with a different point of view than myself. :cool:

My question is:

If the seller has no say in the matter, then why are so many that share the opinion you posted, still boatless? I could understand if boats were consistently selling for these lowball offers, but they're not? The same people that swear they know how to buy, and what the market is, are still being denied? It almost sounds like the ones shopping think everyone selling are being forced to, and have to take any offer?

not sure what you are trying to say there,

if seller had no say, than you and everyone wanting a Mystique would own one.. however the 2 for sale are still not sold, thus seller holding out for right buyer, and i think in the end seller having all the say

I understand what your saying, but do you agree that if there are no buyers, there is no market??? People can keep thinking their boats are worth those telephone numbers, when it comes to cash in hand and a sale its a different story. Good for them and have fun with the same boat for the next 25 years because you wont come to reality with what everything is really worth now. I also understand that not everyone has to blow their boat out, but with the way everything is going in our country, if they ever want to sell their boat, they are going to take that hit, now or 5 years from now.

if you drive around and look at boat yards, I think you will agree with me that most of the stuff sitting in the yards isnt worth the space it takes up, and that is going to get worse and worse to the point where stuff cannot even be sold so people will either be giving the old crap away or scrapping it

so if people judge the market price by what is for sale and the asking prices I guess your right, but I judge the market by what has sold and for what price recently.........i just want you to answer one question for me: What do you think will happen if this keeps getting worse and a $150K TS TG cant even bring $50K because people are hurting so bad??? And dont even say you would buy it because thats the same thing people were saying about a $150K TG 6 months ago

Seller holds all the cards for what a boat will sell for, or it won't sell. Whether he doesn't like your bid, or just doesn't like you. This is not an open/free market like the stock market. Each boat is different, and cared for differently. And there are only 2 out there for sale?
How come every thread about a guy looking for a boat turns into the same thing?
Does anyone know a boat for this guy?
I think sean's Cafe is a nice updated boat. That's my $0.02.
Edit... or Cigrocket's mistress.

I sold my boat for what I did because I wanted it gone ASAP. I had over 25 calls, a ton of emails, and a buyer ready to fly out that next day which tells you it was cheap. I didnt want to deal with showing it a ton of times or dealing with time consuming surveys. My deal was that whoever showed up with the money was taking the boat and I took a discount for that. If I had the time I could have maximized my selling price but instead I have my business to run and I enjoy my weekends.

That is precisely the point I'm making. We will not see a time in the near future that a well kept TS Gun won't bring $50k, because quite simply, there are plenty of people that can afford to pay that number and more. Some buyers need to stop thinking they are the only game in town, and that no one can afford to pay more than they might want to.

I definitely would NOT buy a TS Gun for $50k, because I can promise you it would likely be the biggest pile of chit I've ever seen. You can absolutely low ball these boats to death, because not many bright people want to buy a heap of junk to spend months and lots of extra money to make nice again.


Perfect! :ernaehrung004:

I disagree because a year ago there were people on here saying that there wouldnt be a time in the near future when you could buy a TS TG for less than $150K.........

I dont think to many HAVE SOLD for that price. And if they did I would guess they had to drop 20k to make them right.

And I should be on the water this weekend on Grand!! If B LEE b around

Adam,
Could you please buy a boat and stop torchering all us offshoreonly users. thank you

The seller has a say in the matter, but if their say is to price it too high for the market, it won't sell. Therefore, the collective buyer's have a say as well.

In the case of a Mystique at a dealer in Texas which hasn't sold for over a year, and nobody seems to agree with his pricing, I'd say he's overpriced, not that all buyers aren't real.

For me, I can't swing what he's asking so it doesn't really matter to me, but it appears that price is too high.

The one that sold was clearly priced to move (I know, I thought I was in line to buy it:rolleyes:) and when the market of available Mystiques was 3, and 2 have been for sale for over a year, I'd say that the market has spoken on these boats and what they're "worth". There are many more buyers than just the OSO group here, and they seem to agree.

Now for TS Guns, etc, that is a different world because there are so many available, and such a wide range of conditions. I don't think they're worth nothing, but I also don't think any prices are ever increasing on current boats. A 5 year old boat will soon be 7 years old, and gas will only be going up. When a cash buyer comes and isn't lowballing, I'd think it'd be time to talk.

So, is 65K lowballing on the Texas Mystique?

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The one that sold was clearly priced to move (I know, I thought I was in line to buy it:rolleyes:) and when the market of available Mystiques was 3, and 2 have been for sale for over a year, I'd say that the market has spoken on these boats and what they're "worth". There are many more buyers than just the OSO group here, and they seem to agree.

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Dont get it too confused now, i would say the mystiques for sale have only spoken "worth" about THOSE 2 mystiques for sale, when i was buying they were both in my price range, i didnt like the paint and i didnt like 496's. Infact the one i bought wasnt for sale, i just happen to hear it was for sale a few months earlier and i picked up the phone and asked him if he wanted to talk... come to find out he was in a little bit of a pinch and just about to list it anwyay

Bmans went because it had everything going for it, an awesome paint job, 500 efi's and PRICE

cash is king and it's only worth what the buyer is willing to pay period. i'm no sure why somany sellers are holding out for the top dollar when all the have to do is lower the price like the guy that just sold the 30 cig then go and buy something else at a reduced rate and save yourself the pain of selling something and get on with the enjoyable hunt for the new ride.