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06-02-2009 | 12:48 PM
#21
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WHATEVER,,,,,,just so u know ,,i like cig's just not that much anymore,,because the optimum cig for me would be way to much dollars. And i hate paying for a name not a product.
Sorry
But keep on lieyng to yourself about the great boats u got...
Its a V hull like most of them with a nice design and a CIG logo on the side. LOL
It's great that you have enjoyed your PP so much, but to say that Cigarettes are just a name on the side, and crap boats otherwise, is just ridiculous, not to mention disrespectful to someones intellect.
The new Cigarettes are in fact better boats than the classics. I've had 4 of them, and the newest one I had was the best. It rode, handled, and was a much tougher boat than my 1992 Top Gun.
The myth of them only being a name and all hype, always comes from someone that couldn't justify the price of whatever Cigarette they liked, before settling for something else. No one is lying to themselves besides you, and with any driver capable of handling a dockline, a 38 Cigarette will outperform ANY 33 PP with similar setups EVERY time. No need for a ride to compare, been there done that, bought a Cigarette.
Cigarette has had shady business dealings for decades, and still remains in business, better than ever today. Powerplay had shady business dealings, and are gone.... The reason Cigarette always bounced back, is due to the quality and respect of their product. Powerplay might have enjoyed the same rebirth, if they had built a product worthy of financially taking a chance on to get going again.
06-02-2009 | 01:05 PM
#22
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From: Bradenton Florida
Lying to themselves?
It's great that you have enjoyed your PP so much, but to say that Cigarettes are just a name on the side, and crap boats otherwise, is just ridiculous, not to mention disrespectful to someones intellect.
The new Cigarettes are in fact better boats than the classics. I've had 4 of them, and the newest one I had was the best. It rode, handled, and was a much tougher boat than my 1992 Top Gun.
The myth of them only being a name and all hype, always comes from someone that couldn't justify the price of whatever Cigarette they liked, before settling for something else. No one is lying to themselves besides you, and with any driver capable of handling a dockline, a 38 Cigarette will outperform ANY 33 PP with similar setups EVERY time. No need for a ride to compare, been there done that, bought a Cigarette.
Cigarette has had shady business dealings for decades, and still remains in business, better than ever today. Powerplay had shady business dealings, and are gone.... The reason Cigarette always bounced back, is due to the quality and respect of their product. Powerplay might have enjoyed the same rebirth, if they had built a product worthy of financially taking a chance on to get going again.
It's great that you have enjoyed your PP so much, but to say that Cigarettes are just a name on the side, and crap boats otherwise, is just ridiculous, not to mention disrespectful to someones intellect.
The new Cigarettes are in fact better boats than the classics. I've had 4 of them, and the newest one I had was the best. It rode, handled, and was a much tougher boat than my 1992 Top Gun.
The myth of them only being a name and all hype, always comes from someone that couldn't justify the price of whatever Cigarette they liked, before settling for something else. No one is lying to themselves besides you, and with any driver capable of handling a dockline, a 38 Cigarette will outperform ANY 33 PP with similar setups EVERY time. No need for a ride to compare, been there done that, bought a Cigarette.
Cigarette has had shady business dealings for decades, and still remains in business, better than ever today. Powerplay had shady business dealings, and are gone.... The reason Cigarette always bounced back, is due to the quality and respect of their product. Powerplay might have enjoyed the same rebirth, if they had built a product worthy of financially taking a chance on to get going again.
I did not mean that they are crap ,,,but WAY over priced.
Sorry
06-02-2009 | 01:48 PM
#23
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From: Old Saybrook CT
Lying to themselves?
It's great that you have enjoyed your PP so much, but to say that Cigarettes are just a name on the side, and crap boats otherwise, is just ridiculous, not to mention disrespectful to someones intellect.
The new Cigarettes are in fact better boats than the classics. I've had 4 of them, and the newest one I had was the best. It rode, handled, and was a much tougher boat than my 1992 Top Gun.
The myth of them only being a name and all hype, always comes from someone that couldn't justify the price of whatever Cigarette they liked, before settling for something else. No one is lying to themselves besides you, and with any driver capable of handling a dockline, a 38 Cigarette will outperform ANY 33 PP with similar setups EVERY time. No need for a ride to compare, been there done that, bought a Cigarette.
Cigarette has had shady business dealings for decades, and still remains in business, better than ever today. Powerplay had shady business dealings, and are gone.... The reason Cigarette always bounced back, is due to the quality and respect of their product. Powerplay might have enjoyed the same rebirth, if they had built a product worthy of financially taking a chance on to get going again.
It's great that you have enjoyed your PP so much, but to say that Cigarettes are just a name on the side, and crap boats otherwise, is just ridiculous, not to mention disrespectful to someones intellect.
The new Cigarettes are in fact better boats than the classics. I've had 4 of them, and the newest one I had was the best. It rode, handled, and was a much tougher boat than my 1992 Top Gun.
The myth of them only being a name and all hype, always comes from someone that couldn't justify the price of whatever Cigarette they liked, before settling for something else. No one is lying to themselves besides you, and with any driver capable of handling a dockline, a 38 Cigarette will outperform ANY 33 PP with similar setups EVERY time. No need for a ride to compare, been there done that, bought a Cigarette.
Cigarette has had shady business dealings for decades, and still remains in business, better than ever today. Powerplay had shady business dealings, and are gone.... The reason Cigarette always bounced back, is due to the quality and respect of their product. Powerplay might have enjoyed the same rebirth, if they had built a product worthy of financially taking a chance on to get going again.
06-02-2009 | 02:12 PM
#25
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From: Old Saybrook CT
11-26-2004, 06:38 PM #8
desel
Never Buy a Powerplay!!
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 60 Re: Powerplay Marine Sold?
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You might want to clarify Power Play Marine Inc or Plower Play Boat Company. As some of you might not know Dan Weinstein
owns both companies and those of you that have worked for him know that one company pays him and his sister their paychecks and the other company pays the employess (usually three weeks late if at all).
Dan bankrupted both the companies in order to avoid 100's of thousands of dollars owed to creditors and private individuals.
In a recent court ruling the one company was forced back in to normal operation after the bankruptcy plan was rejected by the judge. The second company in the past few days went to court with the following result:
Objection By Creditor Nation's Loans, Inc To [71-1] Amended Disclosure Statement by Power Play Marine, Inc. . (sh) [EOD 11/24/04] [03-28089]
Nation's Loan was one of the Creditors that had attachments on several items including a fish boat that was in the back of the shop for a few years because the MSO was collateral for another loan. The Serial Number on the boat was changed recently to reflect 2005 and the boat is now on the street for sale.
Dan is by far one of the best con men and BS artists to ever walk the face of the earth. He is good at getting people to buy his sob stories.
If he has enough money to pay for the Miami Boat Show entry of $30K he should pay back the money he owes to too many people to list.
If you do not listen to the warnings from people like myself than I suggest you make sure you write your check to the right comapany. So will the real Powerplay please stand up, Power Play Boat Company or Power Play Marine Inc. Do a search in the South Florida region for Bankruptcy filings and Dan Weinstein and you might put that check book back in your pocket.
The 38 Powerplay hull was stretched and is now being sold by Sunsation, a reputable company. Less money and you will actually get your boat. Who would sell their "latest and greatest" hull design to a competitor unless you were in dire straights.
Ask around for the real stories of Dan and his games, he is a real piece of work or shoud l I say ****.
See the Bad Business List here on OSO, see the Sunsation forum for moree information.
Dan is on the same level as National Marine, Denny we will add you to the list of corpses that he has left in his path.
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Last edited by desel : 11-26-2004 at 06:42 PM.
desel
Never Buy a Powerplay!!
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 60 Re: Powerplay Marine Sold?
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You might want to clarify Power Play Marine Inc or Plower Play Boat Company. As some of you might not know Dan Weinstein
owns both companies and those of you that have worked for him know that one company pays him and his sister their paychecks and the other company pays the employess (usually three weeks late if at all).
Dan bankrupted both the companies in order to avoid 100's of thousands of dollars owed to creditors and private individuals.
In a recent court ruling the one company was forced back in to normal operation after the bankruptcy plan was rejected by the judge. The second company in the past few days went to court with the following result:
Objection By Creditor Nation's Loans, Inc To [71-1] Amended Disclosure Statement by Power Play Marine, Inc. . (sh) [EOD 11/24/04] [03-28089]
Nation's Loan was one of the Creditors that had attachments on several items including a fish boat that was in the back of the shop for a few years because the MSO was collateral for another loan. The Serial Number on the boat was changed recently to reflect 2005 and the boat is now on the street for sale.
Dan is by far one of the best con men and BS artists to ever walk the face of the earth. He is good at getting people to buy his sob stories.
If he has enough money to pay for the Miami Boat Show entry of $30K he should pay back the money he owes to too many people to list.
If you do not listen to the warnings from people like myself than I suggest you make sure you write your check to the right comapany. So will the real Powerplay please stand up, Power Play Boat Company or Power Play Marine Inc. Do a search in the South Florida region for Bankruptcy filings and Dan Weinstein and you might put that check book back in your pocket.
The 38 Powerplay hull was stretched and is now being sold by Sunsation, a reputable company. Less money and you will actually get your boat. Who would sell their "latest and greatest" hull design to a competitor unless you were in dire straights.
Ask around for the real stories of Dan and his games, he is a real piece of work or shoud l I say ****.
See the Bad Business List here on OSO, see the Sunsation forum for moree information.
Dan is on the same level as National Marine, Denny we will add you to the list of corpses that he has left in his path.
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Last edited by desel : 11-26-2004 at 06:42 PM.
06-02-2009 | 02:29 PM
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As far as the quality comment - here is a quote from OSO Steve. Some of you may respect his opinion
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...werplay-5.html
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...werplay-5.html
06-02-2009 | 02:54 PM
#27
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From: Bradenton Florida
11-26-2004, 06:38 PM #8
desel
Never Buy a Powerplay!!
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 60 Re: Powerplay Marine Sold?
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You might want to clarify Power Play Marine Inc or Plower Play Boat Company. As some of you might not know Dan Weinstein
owns both companies and those of you that have worked for him know that one company pays him and his sister their paychecks and the other company pays the employess (usually three weeks late if at all).
Dan bankrupted both the companies in order to avoid 100's of thousands of dollars owed to creditors and private individuals.
In a recent court ruling the one company was forced back in to normal operation after the bankruptcy plan was rejected by the judge. The second company in the past few days went to court with the following result:
Objection By Creditor Nation's Loans, Inc To [71-1] Amended Disclosure Statement by Power Play Marine, Inc. . (sh) [EOD 11/24/04] [03-28089]
Nation's Loan was one of the Creditors that had attachments on several items including a fish boat that was in the back of the shop for a few years because the MSO was collateral for another loan. The Serial Number on the boat was changed recently to reflect 2005 and the boat is now on the street for sale.
Dan is by far one of the best con men and BS artists to ever walk the face of the earth. He is good at getting people to buy his sob stories.
If he has enough money to pay for the Miami Boat Show entry of $30K he should pay back the money he owes to too many people to list.
If you do not listen to the warnings from people like myself than I suggest you make sure you write your check to the right comapany. So will the real Powerplay please stand up, Power Play Boat Company or Power Play Marine Inc. Do a search in the South Florida region for Bankruptcy filings and Dan Weinstein and you might put that check book back in your pocket.
The 38 Powerplay hull was stretched and is now being sold by Sunsation, a reputable company. Less money and you will actually get your boat. Who would sell their "latest and greatest" hull design to a competitor unless you were in dire straights.
Ask around for the real stories of Dan and his games, he is a real piece of work or shoud l I say ****.
See the Bad Business List here on OSO, see the Sunsation forum for moree information.
Dan is on the same level as National Marine, Denny we will add you to the list of corpses that he has left in his path.
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Last edited by desel : 11-26-2004 at 06:42 PM.
desel
Never Buy a Powerplay!!
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 60 Re: Powerplay Marine Sold?
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You might want to clarify Power Play Marine Inc or Plower Play Boat Company. As some of you might not know Dan Weinstein
owns both companies and those of you that have worked for him know that one company pays him and his sister their paychecks and the other company pays the employess (usually three weeks late if at all).
Dan bankrupted both the companies in order to avoid 100's of thousands of dollars owed to creditors and private individuals.
In a recent court ruling the one company was forced back in to normal operation after the bankruptcy plan was rejected by the judge. The second company in the past few days went to court with the following result:
Objection By Creditor Nation's Loans, Inc To [71-1] Amended Disclosure Statement by Power Play Marine, Inc. . (sh) [EOD 11/24/04] [03-28089]
Nation's Loan was one of the Creditors that had attachments on several items including a fish boat that was in the back of the shop for a few years because the MSO was collateral for another loan. The Serial Number on the boat was changed recently to reflect 2005 and the boat is now on the street for sale.
Dan is by far one of the best con men and BS artists to ever walk the face of the earth. He is good at getting people to buy his sob stories.
If he has enough money to pay for the Miami Boat Show entry of $30K he should pay back the money he owes to too many people to list.
If you do not listen to the warnings from people like myself than I suggest you make sure you write your check to the right comapany. So will the real Powerplay please stand up, Power Play Boat Company or Power Play Marine Inc. Do a search in the South Florida region for Bankruptcy filings and Dan Weinstein and you might put that check book back in your pocket.
The 38 Powerplay hull was stretched and is now being sold by Sunsation, a reputable company. Less money and you will actually get your boat. Who would sell their "latest and greatest" hull design to a competitor unless you were in dire straights.
Ask around for the real stories of Dan and his games, he is a real piece of work or shoud l I say ****.
See the Bad Business List here on OSO, see the Sunsation forum for moree information.
Dan is on the same level as National Marine, Denny we will add you to the list of corpses that he has left in his path.
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Last edited by desel : 11-26-2004 at 06:42 PM.
Damn i guess Cig has allot more secrets then u can imagine.....ok maybe not just a guess !!!!!
06-02-2009 | 02:56 PM
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From: Bradenton Florida
As far as the quality comment - here is a quote from OSO Steve. Some of you may respect his opinion
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...werplay-5.html
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...werplay-5.html
But i guess also u don't believe that all,,,,so be stuck in your sled's.LOL
06-02-2009 | 06:56 PM
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( I think Power Plays are a great boat, way better then a Baja or Scarab, but they are definitely no Cigarette. Go for a ride in a Gun and tell me what you think. This no knock on the Power Play but they are in different leagues.)
Oh, and Powerplay is one word.
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