Are Older Flat Decks Selling????
 

I just listed my 86 Flatdeck. Had the graphics stripped to make it more attractive to a wider audience.

Just wondering how long I can expect it to be for sale in general.

Here is a link to where it is forsale.
http://performanceboatbrokerage.com/...sp?boat_id=355

Also a little video my Dad made right before the graphics were taken off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHQ7JAsNkw0

Everything sells for the right price brother!;)

No Offence at all I like tyhe boat, intersting color combo inside, but I just went thru my cafe new paint frsh merin 540/750 na's fresh 9 disk trannys and rebuilt trs drives and so on if I was to sell id ask 65 Be happy with 50. WHats your abolute bottom dollar and dont forget this is a tought time of year. Id say at that price it will sit for a while. A guy was just asking about an older flat deck thin kit was a 77 20K but not sure about the specs on it. Tanks is right price is what sells it ive learned that on my past few boats.
-Mike

Long story on the inside. Guy didnt do anything I asked and then took off. Boat used to have graphics until about 6 days ago so it blended better
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-a...23270_2715.jpg

BINGO

It's a sharp looking Flat Deck. Unfortunately someone is going to have to either write you a check, or hand you a suitcase full of cash to buy it and that hurts.

If it's any comparison member Harvey had a Mistress with 502's that was for sale in nice shape with a fairly upgraded overall feel that sat for 25k for sale for a LONG time (in fact I am not sure if he ever sold it).

I love older boats. Classics. The problem with them, is there just isnt a huge market for them. 15 years ago, your boat would have been the cats a$$ to anyone in the offshore game. Big true offshore boats were not that plentiful. In 2010, the market is flooded with used boats. Theres 38+ft boats everywhere you look.

Lots of guys dump tons of money into older boats, but the hulls just arent that valuble anymore. I see guys asking 75-100k for 20 year old top guns, when there is a ad next to it for a twin step top gun for not much more money.

Even my 1990 Fountain. It has nice blower motors, ssm IV drives, hull is mint, on a nice myco trailer. If i were to list it, i'd love to ask 60k for it. But real money, i think its a 35-40k boat on its best day in this market.

I have 5 friends with mid-80's 38 Flatdeck cigarettes. All of them are mint, and extensive updates. From ssm III, IIIA, Konrad, and arneson setups and 600HP-900HP engines. As bad ass as they all are, i dont think one of them would sell right now for 50k.

Yours looks like a great boat. I think the TRS and stock 454's are gonna hurt. If you had some konrads on it or ssm IIIA drives and some big motors, it' prob sell at your asking price, but would still take a while. I'd either run it as is and enjoy it, or drop the price in half and wave goodbye. What you lose on this boat, your next boat can be bought cheap, so its all a wash!

Love the look without the graphics. 38 flatdecks are one of my favorite looking hulls, along with the 38 scarab flatdeck. Good luck with the sale.

Its all about the price Rocky.

Dump or trade the current ride and you will be money ahead with the bargain you get on your new boat. When you look at what you can pick up a TS, Glad, or tiger for it should make you feel much better about a little hit on the old flatdeck.

I sold a nice clean 82 Mistress with a lot of updates. Had to give it away after two years. Had it listed for 25,000, didn't get near that for it, but it is gone. Bad market, bad time of year, and old boats are hard to sell. You will have to find a cash buyer. Good luck.

$25K on a good day w/ TRS & 454s. Sold my Mistress last Oct 2009 and had it originally listed for about what you have your 38' at. It sat for a good while. #3SSM, blowers, new/rebuilt Randy @Stelling full headers, Huber 1200's - sold her for less than $30K and moved on to my next deal, as others have suggested. The market has not gotten better since then for older flatdecks, it's probably worse if anything. Sad but true. On a positive note - that 525 Staggered Gladiator is still avail :drink: best of luck.

yours was an interesting hull and rig combo, would have thought your boat would bring more coin? what was the next boat you bought?

yup yup ... you would have thunk it Christian. 2003 Formula 330SS 496s 158hrs on SmartCraft nice ride, but ain't a Cig! :evilb:

I would agree with the others. The engines, drives, and McInterior colors are going to hurt it somewhat. Nice looking boat though. I too would guess $25k at best to move it.

you prob went in the right direction

I had my 1994 Cigarette TOP GUN for sale for 2 1/2 years. I was asking the lowest price for the same year model boat compared to others. Had 2 phone calls in 2 1/2 years. Keep your boat. I gave up. Now I'm spending more money on it.:drink:

no comparison in a mistress to a 38 flatdeck

I guess it depends also on what guys consider a updated older boat. Some say fresh engine rebuilds, a new stereo, and gauges are a updated boat..

My buddy Kool-Aid on here has a 1990 Top Gun. It started life as a 420/TRS boat. In the past couple years, it has had Hull stripped down, custom 90MPH paint job, blue printed hull, new dash, new gauges, new vinyl, new cabin vinyl, cabin carpet, Konrad drives, 850HP Wesco 598 supercharged motors, stellings headers, gibson mufflers, huber trannies, and lots of other little things. With a little tweaking, its a 90MPH old school Top gun. Its a beauty, and a runner. He prob has 200k in that boat. I think it would be a hard sell priced at 75k complete in this market.

I remember last winter there was a 38 Flatdeck around the midwest for sale without power. It was a SSM III boat, came complete minus engines. I think the guy was down to 15k for it, after having it listed for a while. Wanna say he started at 25k for it. Then there was "dirty baby" the 38 Flatdeck from chicago. I know the previous owner. It was listed for like 2 years. Started at like 50k, then 40k, then 25k, then it sold for not sure what after that. It was a nice boat, original, TRS, needed some TLC, but just wouldnt sell.

I wil say this though, the 38 Flatdeck cig, EATS up rough water. Put some power in them, and they are a BLAST to run..and properly restored and updated, can be one of the classiest looking old offshores of all time.

:eek: Um ok no there's no comparison LOL :lolhit: Other than the fact that the 38' is a Mistress stretched 2.7 feet ... Just sayin'

38flatdesk ... ANSWER THIS: What would YOU write a check for TODAY for Rocky's 454 TRS boat??? :confused:

If you want a cigarette that you can afford a flatdeck is great it is a very heavy boat. Parts are easy and cheep to replace like trim pumps, switches, bulbs, motor parts, sea pump parts. The only expensive parts would probally be the trs outdrive but they are pretty bullett proof.

INSURANCE 1986 Flatdeck $600 a year
1987 Top Gun = 2200 a year

My boat runs 69 all day and seen 72 on the best day.
3-5 foot chop with a beer sitting on my dash heavy and smooth ride.

I cannot tell you how many compaments I get on my boat. I share the same canal as the local marina and when I take my boat out for a ride everyone in the park and at there boats stare like a deer in head lights. I even seen people going up to the fence across the canal to take pics of my boat just sitting behind my house.

I have 600 hp 468 tall deck roller motors and it is turn key everyday no problems.... knock on wood. That boat you have will make a nice boat for someone.

Justin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMzfQgOGcdM
Running behind house

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDTfNVa5NV0
Crusing at 50Mph

I turned down 38K 2 months ago with out trailer because I cannot replace it "Keep in mind I have wicked motors". Michigan boating is 6 months out of a year so I cannot see spending 100K plus insurance

Here is a little video my Dad made of it right before I hade the graphics taken off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHQ7JAsNkw0

That's the largest swim platform I have ever seen!:eek:

I agree I would take it off it makes the boat look ulgy. Just give it to the buyer.

4 things I noticed:

1. HUGE swim platform.
2. 1 drive didn't completely trim to trailer in the video.
3. Are those Mobile Home axles on the trailer?
4. Gotta connect your breathers to your flame arrestor.

Sharp boat though. I would be interested in the low 20's.

Absolutely bro! 100% on all points. Dude, I would pay $30-40-50K just for a pair of Dave W.'s Wesco mills :cool: Sterlings, Chiefs, Gellners, etc ... all would demand premium $$$$$ As would #3A drives, #3SSM, or Konrads ... Does it have Stelling exhaust?, CMI, StainlessMarine - Gen3's?? Are the trannies 72C's?, HUBER's 1200s/1500s, BAM modified??? Or are they just stock BM 71C's? good for 300-350hp?

My buddy Dean has well over $150K into his Mistress w/ Konrads, Bobby Wallace - Offshore Performance NA 540's, redone interior, sunpad, gauges, etc etc. Would I ever expect him to sell for low $20's absolutely not :angry-smiley-038:

We all know 'value' when we look at and price these boats and, obviously, pay accordingly. We were NOT talking about some other flatdecks mentioned in this thread, or my 'friend's other' boat. We were referring to the boat in this thread ... the one w/454s & TRS drives (which by the way I, agree, and think are bullet as proof as well ;) doesn't mean they bring any value to the deal. They don't, they discount it! FACT) and that hideous Mc D's interior that would immediately need replacing :lolhit: :eek: :D

Justin - Love your rig as well!!! :cool:

So the question again, which still hasn't been answered after his comments ... flatdeck38 - WHAT WOULD PAY FOR THIS BOAT - TODAY??

I looked at a similar boat when the market was good... same power, except it had just been repainted white Awlgrip or Imron (can't remember which). it was pure white, cig logos. Interior was all white, with red accents.

Very sharp boat. Very clean.

It sold under $40k in good times... and it took a long while and was darn near perfect and applied to the widest audience with the color scheme.

The biggest issue with these older big boats is they cost so much to simply keep. You need a big truck or at least have to live on the water or pay for an expensive slip. It is exponentially more to keep around than a smaller boat so the selling value gets killed because the people with the kind of dough to keep these boats generally want something newer.

I was recently looking at a Formula 419 SR1 from the early 90's, triple HP500's, loaded out with Gen and A/C sitting on a trailer and stored inside... for the low 20's. I wanted the boat but couldn't do it because it would require a new truck, better storage, etc.

Yeah Chris ... I think my compass may need adjusting or replacing, cuz the direction is a bit off! :D :evilb: :evilb: :angry-smiley-044:

+1. Hard/smaller market. The boat is attractive to us younger guys at $30-40K, but when you add up the bigger truck, storage, hard to get insurance, hard to get financing. It becomes harder to buy.

I dont think so I think it would make someone a real nice boat. Big Money Name Nice price. You pay low 20s if you want to resell it. I think mid thirty is a good price.

1988 28 apache vs 1985 38 Flat Deck.
Similar $ to buy, similar fuel, maybe a bit more insurance, about $1000 more for storage(by me).
No towing, no truck, no trailer(for me).
38 will be a bit harder to handle around the dock by myself, just more space to cover, and a little longer to clean.
This is figuring same HP and drives.
38 will of course be slower, and ride better.

You're exactly right, Josh. In this market, if you wanna move up, you gotta bite the bullet. Give up a little (less) to gain a lot (more).

Hi There....Cigarettes are one of the most sought after boats on the market...The 38 Flat Deck and the Mistress and even the 36 and they just don't bring a lot of money in these times.
Here is were I am confussed...Try to buy a 41 Apache and I don'r think that you can get one anywhere near the price as the older Cigarettes...Why is that? They are in the same vintage....Is it because there are not a lot of them or is it because of ite reputation... What is your imput of this..
Thank You
Jim

Jim, bingo.

It is because the number of Apaches vs. Cigarettes as you guessed.

Every (almost) 41' Apache is known on this sight ... can't come close to that with 38's / 35's Cigs too many ... maybe 36's?

It would not look so big with Arnesons under it! :D

Also, most of the Apaches listed are rigged with fairly serious motors, SSM drives, and have had extensive work to freshen up the upholstry, etc. If you found a Cigarette of similar vintage, rigged the same, and in the same condition, the Apace might still go for a bit more, but probably not by much. Personally, I have an old Mistress, rigged with #5's. I get interested when I see a Top Gun or Flat Deck with big motors and good drives, but click past through the dozens of TRS or Bravo boats. Not to say they won't make someone a great boat to enjoy, but not in the same league as near race-rigged machines that most Apaches are.

Supply and Demand.

You need a new insurance broker.

That is ridiculous, and about 2.5 times what I pay for my 1990 Cafe Racer.

Who do you use.
Mine is 650 for a 86 flatdeck. when I told him about a 87 top gun he said over triple.

Less Apache's produced compared to Cigarettes. If you keep your eye out and have the cash to pull the trigger you can find a deal on an Apache. A couple months back Performance Boat Brokerage had a late 80's early 90's 41 that sold for around 60k if i recall. It needed work but it was a deal.

Rocky's boat looks solid but i do agree that the interior and swim platform would steer some people away. I guess he needs to take some pictures with 6 hotties dancing on the swim platform, after all sex sells! As it sits i see it selling in the mid to upper 20's.

Jt

In the late 80's a new 41 Apache like mine was $400,000.00 new, what where the flat decks new?