[QUOTE=BLee;3276209]I know you guys aren't looking for opinions or anything, but MAN I think it would sell a lot faster, if it had the actual 90mph paintjob on it, or any variation of it.

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I would have to agree...mines not a true 90MPH cig but I do like the paint scheme i did.

[QUOTE=Kool-Aid Man;3276449]Yours did come out great post a pic for the people that haven't seen it.

[QUOTE=Kool-Aid Man;3276449]One of my all time favs:hitit::eek:

I have to agree with many others on this topic, All Straight Bottom Top Guns are not created equal. Alot of factors go into a boat, Power, Drives, Interior, Paint, Gauges, Rigging, Trailer, Sound, Exhaust, Updating. Just because the Title says "Top Gun", doesn't mean that the used price is fixed, you have to look at whats in it. My Top Gun is a 1993, it looks newer then many. I think when Rigging, Drives, and Setup are done at places like TNT, and engines from CHIEF and Interiors replaced at Liphip and Fineline, Prices deserve to be adjusted properly.

When I was looking for a Top Gun 2 years ago, I physically looked at 10-12 boats, all I can say is that the only common denominator between them was the fact that they were Top Guns, and they were produced by Cigarette.

Good Luck with the sale, Just becasue its listed for a certain price doesn't mean that a person willing to buy with cash in hand won't get a better deal, but their also isn't a reason to give away a great boat.

Typically boats that have that baseline pricetag often require alot of $$$$ to get it back to a nice piece. Most of the time its cheaper to buy it already the way you want it. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!!!

Cigrocket, that is a Beautiful job you did on your boat. Like you said, its expensive to do what you did. If someone wants to buy an older Cig and up date it, you really have to buy one already done (someone else already spent the money and wants out), or buy the boat right so your not too upside down when your done. None the less, your boat is one of the nicest.

Thank you, Many of you recall the "Mistress" that I sold a few works back. I sunk alot of money, time, making parts to get that up to awesome condition. Drives, Trannies, Gauges, Interior, Graphics. I ended up, after waiting 6 months, and replying to a lot of low ball offers, getting the money out of it that I was comfortable with. I am glad in the end that I waited and didn't give it away.

Many people were trying to compare my "Mistress" with the ones that were going for 20K. Just not in the same league.

Every boat has its own +++++ and --------- that determine the overall value.

While the boat is rare, in my opinion you are asking top dollar for it. Frankly, the pictures do not show well either. I don't think most are going to like seeing the pitted dash panels or dull looking engines. If the engines only have 15 hours on them, they look rough.

Don't get me wrong, I think the boat is bada$$, it just doesn't show very well in these pictures compared to some of the other boats listed in the same price range. Its hard to look at the really nice 94 that has been redone and compare the 2.

On the other hand, you could put lots of money in it to make it nice and it still wouldn't bring much more money. These things are tough.
I kept pouring money into mine only to give it away for the same price I wanted for it unfinished!

And that is why I am not selling my 1994 Cigarette Top Gun. I paid $90,000 for it in 2005, and I have put about $35,000 into it since, and I am still putting money into it. It will be my coffin.:drink:

its all relevant though. if you put $400K into it and could only sell it for $20K, but could go replace it with a newer, faster boat for $20K, then who cares how much money you put into it really. it all comes down to what you could replace it with for the money, regardless of how much you have in it.

In some cases, if you can wait, parting out a boat can make more sense. Depends on the parts that you have.

The upgrade I want is a lot more than $20,000. I really want a Cigarette with Arneson Surface Drives. Can't seem to find one for sale.

There is probably a reason. Like they don't work well together.

i was just using those number for instance. but what im saying is that if you can buy a boat for a blow out price, then it allows you to blow your boat out.

There are some flat bottom top guns our there with Arneson's and they seem to have good results. I have to admit, I don't peronally know anyone with the setup. I'm curious, why do you think they don't work well together?

True.......

You need to re examine that ignorant statement as they work damn awesome!

How many out there rigged up with ASD's Rik?

I got 6 of these older non stepped 38' Top Guns, or straight bottoms as they are referred to. All way out performed both the Bravos and the TRS that were on the boats!

Hi guys,

All your points are well taken. My deadline on the business deal is getting tighter. I have decided to drop the price to $89,000, INCLUDING the 2002 Myco aluminum trailer (thats an $18,000 trailer new). If anyone is seriously interested in buying they will be getting a great boat. This price includes new interior in the cabin which is under way.

Frank

Good luck Frank. Any chance of getting some before/after pictures of the cabin re-do? Mine is going in the shop next week or two to get my cabin redone. It would be nice to see what your doing.

Craig

Hi Craig,

I'll take some pics to show progress and then when its all done. I really do not want to have to sell the boat, but business is what allows us to have these toys.....

Frank

As a buyer
 

its not in my price range but a stagger devalues any boat for me as it KILLS cockpit space.

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90 mph cig
 

Hey Donz just a heads up, you might want to update your add in the classifieds with the new info.

thanks soggy, I will do that

To each his own, but most cigs have practically enough engine compartment length to do a stagger, even if they aren't rigged that way, at least if you do a bravo or NXT close couple on the aft engine. Performance differences not withstanding, the skin I'd get to keep on my knuckles when working on them is more than worth it.

Hang in there Frank. Just finding the right person that appreciates these boats for what they are will be worth the wait. Well worth the money.

Doug

90 mph
 

How many actually have the red and white 90 mph paint scheme?

Here is an old thread that pretty much pictures all 5 in original paint except for Bill's spider paint and not sure what it looked like before. The white doesn't come up on the top of the deck on Fat Boy. I would tow mine anywhere just to see all 5 boats together at one time at a poker run or some kind of an event.
Doug

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/c...cigarette.html

Let's do it i know we would be game for it and I'll tell Carl as I'm sure he would be game. Let's figure out a place and see if the other 2 are in

my brother has a red and white paint scheme boat. boat didnt do 90 from the factory just had the paint. now it has 572's with 5 Liter whipples. detuned to 1000hp and konrad drives. 99 mph in 5-6 footers on lake ontario

I talked to Carl about it a while back and I thought he said he didn't have a trailer and the the big problem is getting Cecil to bring Fat Boy back in the States from the BVI. I bet if Carl doesn't have a trailer we could get someone to donate one if this was going to happen.

He does have a trailer as a matter a fact the boat is sitting on of the Myco

Is this the boat:

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http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2...0resolutio.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7...0resolutio.jpg

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If so, it used to be called "The Dealer". We owned that boat for almost 10 years. Your brother has done a fantastic job updating it :cool:

Doug, I'd love to get our boats together for a run and a photo shoot......Carl's boat will get there as well, I don't think there'd be much arm twisting needed......I have a picture of the only known photo to me where two 90 MPHs are together in the same picture....hehe, I took the picture of Carl's and mine at Tommy's shop.....unfortunatley, I can't post it here until I figure out why I can't post pictures any more....

in fact, I think i posted it on OSO a couple of years ago.....hmmm wonder if I can find it.....

90 mph
 

Hey Frank are you going to relist your boat in the classifieds?

Hey Doug is that your red and white Cigarette in your avatar.
I think i saw it in Kew West a couple of years ago at the World Championship. Any ways that is the nicest looking boat i've ever seen.

yup thats his boat. he loves it

Yeah my old turd has a trailer, probably needs some air in the tires too! It still has the original paint scheme in fact very close to the show Cigarette a few years ago.

There was quite a difference in the Cigs back then. Mine was layed up at Cig but not one hole drilled. It went to TNT for all rigging becuase it was going to be the Venice to Monte Carlo run like Fat Boy was used for (that is why Fat Boy has the weird cabin so they could repair it) Most 93 Cigs were in the 120 range and mine ticketed closer to 300, big money in 93.

It would be cool to get them all together so let me know. Maybe a nice sunset shot in the Keys!

Until you own and fly a stagger boat you really will not understand. The cockpit does suck for just laying around and having drinks but look at some of the photos of my passengers when we are running in the lumps. No hanging on to the rail on the rear of the front seat bent over, just your own hole, nice safe and secure! Balance and engine room access are the game here.

Add in boxes, huge K-planes, SSM drives and the boat has a whole new personality. That is why it costs more for this lay-up and rigging.

I would sell mine at $140,000 but not a penny less. That would be a fair price because I could never find the boat again for the same money. But unless you know what it is the price would seem high, especially in todays go-fast world.