90 MPH listed in Classifieds
 

Hi everyone,

My prior post was poofed I guess because I took too long to list it. For those that have called, sorry I took so long, but I finally got the pictures taken and the boat is listed in the classifieds. it is a rare boat in great structural condition. Unfortunately, I need to sell her.

Here is the link:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o37187-en.html


If you are interested, let me know.

Frank Areces
305-989-8914

Frank good luck with the sale cool boat for sure. I bought a flat deck less than a year ago and have to say at that price without a trailer you may it might take a bit of time to move. There are alot of killer deals on the market right now.
RG.

Nice boat good luck..
I like this line in ad...
" I installed the Formula 2 style throttles on the passenger side which is great for poker runs or having your passenger invovled in the boating experience by either throttling or driving. "
I barely want my passengers to touch anything you are a brave man...

Not to burst your bubble, but I don't think you will ever sell that boat for that price. Not in today's market. If your boat was flawless, with all new interior, newer paint job, and less than 50 hours on the motors, then you may get $80,000 because of your engines and drives. I have a 1994 Cigarette Top Gun for sale for 2 1/2 years and I only had 2 phone calls. I have less than 50 hours on the engines. New Dart Blocks, piston, Cam, etc... For the first year, I asked $80,000. The second, $75,000. I gave up. It's not for sale anymore. Also, you might have to deal with a cash buyer.
Good Luck on your sale.

I have to agree with you.

Thanks for the thoughts guys. I am open to offers, but there is a big difference between a typical 1994 fiberglass Cigarette side by side with bravo drives and this one. No disrespect, but those are a dime a dozen. This is a rare boat that will run circles around the boats you all are quoting thus far. Just try to replace the hardware from those boats to this boat at those prices. Lets talk apples and apples guys.

I think there were only 5 or so true 90 mph full staggers made, yours, fatboy, Carls, and possibly the spider boat. anyone thing of others?

Best of luck with the sale Frank, it's a gem and someone that knows it will pony up...Rob

How can you tell it is Kevlar? My fiberglass looks just like yours, and I don't think my boat is Kevlar. Maybe I have a Kevlar Top Gun and don't know it.

Pure Adrenaline and yes, the spider boat is one of them. What about the one that's been at Lake Cumberland? I think that it was one as well...

Good luck with the sale Frank!!

Thanks Rob, Doug has the fifth boat. You are correct, there were only 5 made. I have a picture of my boat and Carl's side by side at Tommy's shop a couple of years ago....what are the chances of that????? I can't seem to post pictures anymore otherwise I'd post it. How's that Tiger doing? Did you and Dave run to Bimini this year?

UD, kevlar is very distinctive in appearance, it is a gold color weave. You can see the material in my cabin picture. It is much stronger than fiberglass and weighs less as well. But, the best way to confirm the build is to call Cigarette and give them your hull number, Bud will let you know the specifics of your build. Is yours a staggered boat? If not, most respectfully, it doesn't look the same. What kind of power do you have?

I think they are both gone, the superman red one was side by side I think, and the other one was a sit down but not a kevlar boat, it was built for the catalina ski race with foot throttle and all. they both wound up on a liquidator site.

You can host your photos on photo bucket and then post them here. We didn't do the Bimini run, did a couple poker runs instead. Like the rest of the US, I and the car business weren't immune to the economy either, so I scaled back. This year is ending nicely so next year has lots of prospects. Tiger is good, both engines out and at MDG, aluminum heads had lots of hours and finally gave up, so will redo them over winter, if the planets align, maybe some imco scx's and Whipple them, but not really worried about it, I like running on 87 octane. I am definitely planing to do the horba offshore runs though. :coolcowboy:

Frank is the rear bench a stand up bolster type arranagement or can one actually be seated?
RG.

RG, the rear has a narrow bench seat where the passengers can sit down. I took the bench out to give more room to move back there, the cushions are still on the back and sides though. I have the bench seat and the brackets in the garage.

Rob is correct, the boats at Cumberland were not 90 MPH models

Nice rare rig...

"This aint your fathers Bravo boat, son !"

The tattle-tale shows about 107 ?

The boats best has been 112

Frank,

While the boat might be rare, I would basically agree with the others that say you're likely going to sit on it a very long time waiting for your number/buyer.

In the mean time I would highly suggest that you review your listing and include details on the mechanicals. If the boat runs 110, that's damn impressive for a non-stepped old 38 TG.

I would also get the interior back together with updated pics ASAP. Your listing does not include the condition of everything either. At the asking price, one would assume everthing is a 10, but tell us this if so.

Lastly, if you're going to try to fetch $95k for an old flat bottom boat, at least toss the old dog a bone and throw in the trailer! It's hard enough finding a cash buyer in this market looking for a top dollar flat bottom cig, but to find a buyer that doesn't want or need a trailer too (or is ready to drop down another $10k for a trailer on top of the asking price)???

Just some suggestions. Best of luck with the sale!

SS, thanks for the thoughts, they are well taken, I will update the pictures when I have the cabin vinyl installed. The boat is turn key with low hours on the engines (approx. 15) and very low hours (approx 5) on the drives from full re-builds. Oil has been changed every 10-15 hours on the engines. The boat will be buffed and waxed as part of the deal so the owner takes it with new wax. All the internals are hi-performance forged internals with aluminum blower pistons and roller cams....the engines were built to turn over 7,000 rpm for safety and reliability, the carbs have been recently re-built, and new back up electric fuel pumps were installed at that time. Guages include knock sensors for extra precaution....I haven't spared on the safety parts for these motors.

As I said before, I am negotiable, but until someone shows me a recent sale of a boat that is comparable to mine, truly comparable to mine, that is much lower than my asking price, then I think that the asking price is in line with what I have seen on the market. Everyone on this board that isn't in the market to buy a boat or enter serious negotiations has an opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.......

however, I have a boat on the market, and will deal with anyone that is seriously interested in buying a boat like mine,..... If low '90s fiberglass side by side boats with TRS or bravos and smaller/lower performance engines are listed in the $70-$90 price range, how do you justify making a general statement that my asking price is out of line????? Sorry, but I just don't get it. I'm not testing the market, I need to sell the boat, but I am not going to get into general justification discussions with hull kickers on this board who believe they may be experts on setting prices on performance boats on the market. You all are entitled to your opinions and I respect that but, most respectfully, the only person's opinion that I will seriously consider is anyone that contacts me with a true and sincere interest in buying my boat. At that point, I will work with them as best I can to an end of making a reasonable deal and getting the boat to another home.

I totally agree with thedonz...

I have just bought a 90 topgun fiberglass side by side with new 2008 konrad drives and all new interior and exterior vinyl for 85000.....and after 6 month with the boat, i ve seen that the structure was dead, so 25000 more to redo and reinforce the boat......so if a had seen this add before, for sure for 95000 it is a very good deal for a kevlar staggered boat..........

Frank I don't think anybody is trying to offend you but comparables aside the market is soft and a quick sale puts you at a disadvantage, A friend of mine just bought a staggered cig #6 drive 2000's vintage boat with twin 1150 Zuls for less than $140k . I believe it is an epoxy boat . So $ 95k for your 92 vintage will pose some challenges. Good luck with the sale. If I didn't already own a flat deck I would be looking at your boat.

RG.

Frank -

I didnt look to see if you did, but I recommend that you also advertise it worldwide like on Yacht World as there is still money oversea's. I'd hate to see it leave the US though ! :angry-smiley-038:

The value of the boat is what someone is willing to pay for it. Like you have said there realy are no comps so that makes it tougher. I think it is a killer ride but you have some things in that work against you in my opinion. I just sold my old boat it was a 1993 Cafe thatcwas completely redone. I had over $130,000 into the boat including brand new paint and interior. I felt it was like a new boat and worth Alot but many would disagree because a limited audience. They where right the boat sold for half of what I had in it, but it did sell quickly. So I think it comes down to the question how bad do you want sell it and how fast? Banks will not loan money on it, insurance is tough on that boat, no trailer and many will find the graphics dated. But if you find the cash buyer that knows what they are looking you may have interest but unfortunately they to will be looking for deal. I would guess you can move it for somewhere between $70k and $80k+. good luck with it is definately cool and does not hurt to see if someone dies find the value in it.

The Islands must have a little different pricing !! :angry-smiley-038:

It is a really cool boat. Would love to own it! Im not in the market right now. But as an outsider watchin everything selling now, the problem is you can buy a TS Gun for around 100K. All updated interior, and graphics/paint. Updating a boat like this is expensive! Paint alone is 15 to 30K depending... Dont get me wrong, this is a unique set up that has more value than an regular Gun, but it does need updating and a trailer. I dont think older Guns are bring 70+ right now. People may be asking 85K, but they arent sellin. If you ask what your REALLY willing to take, it will sell. Good luck on sellin a bad azz boat!

There are still buyers out there that will pay a premium for an exceptional straight bottom Cigarette. My 1989 Top Gun is now in the hands of a new owner. I had no intentions of selling, a buyer paid me a visit, offered what I needed to part with what was a huge part of my life for close to 10 years and both parties are feeling comfortable in their decisions.

Not all older Cigarettes will be fire sales.

Kurt:drink:

I agree with Kurt. I just sold my 1984 flatdeck to a gentleman that was looking for a boat with big power, SSM drives (not-Bravo's) and in exceptional condition. We agreed on a price, that was less than I was asking 2 years ago, but was fair for the condition of the boat and the equipment. There are buyers out there that are willing to step up and pay for what they want, not many, but a few.

Thanks for your thoughts guys, they are all welcomed.

Rick, no worries, I have'nt taken offense to any of the comments. I've been in business too long to be offended personally by anyone's comments. I may snicker inside to myself at the lack of knowledged sometimes demonstrated, but I never get offended.

From what I've seen here, there are those that believe the price is fair and those that believe that, in this economic climate, the price is a little high. Realistically, its anybody's guess what any sale will be as far as price. It is what someone is willing to pay for this particular boat, and what I am willing to accept. There is interest because I have had four calls since the ad was placed from individuals who have shown interest and we've spoken very candidly. I don't expect to sell it in a week, nor do I have to. In fact, I wish my particular situation changes that has caused putting the boat on the market because I do not want to sell it. Fingers are crossed.

Like Kurt said, not all Cigarette sales are fire sales. If someone is looking for an updated paint scheme and interior to 2010 specs, then pay the money for that. I assure you it won't be under $100k for a boat comparable to mine. If you want a side by side, fiberglass, low power bravo/trs boat, then pay for that as there are hundreds on the market. If you want a Cafe Racer for $65k, then pay for that. If you want a 2000 vintage #6 high power boat, then pay for that, I'm sure the offered price was well over $140k to start as no one realistically pays the offered at price and no one who really wants to sell refuses to negotiate.

I guess the point is you get what you pay for. If you want a very limited edition 90 MPH boat that is well equipped, turn key and solid, then pay for that. But please don't make rediculous comparisons. As an example, one shouldn't expect to buy a 1969 Z-28 for the price of a 1969 Camaro.

Frank

This is about as close as you can get for comparison.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o37242-en.html

Yes... it's not a 90mph stagger, but its kevlar, big power, non-bravo.

Wow, that looks really nice! :cool:

Stormrider there is also a 1991 top gun with big power and No 5 drives , no trailer , not a stagger or Kevlar boat for $ 39k in the classifieds.
RG.

Wow that boat is nice and done with excellent power!

Frank,

Unfortunately boats are not really collectors items such as a 69 Z28. I have yet to see any a Barrett Jackson auction. Your boat value come in from someone who wants staggered, straight bottm kevlar boat. Just because they did make abunch does not bring value. After seeing the boat Storm listed I think you may have some competition.

That is a beautiful boat, for sure.

Darrens boat is a premier piece. Freshened by the best in the business (Lip Ship, Grafikworx, Fineline, Scorpion Racing) on a Myco trailer. It's owned by a very meticulous individual and maintained with a level of care that few ever see. It's stored inside his home out of the weather unless in use. This is a very cool ride.

This is a boat that I feel is a bargain for the asking price regardless of age. It's equipped with top shelf components that wont let you down when the going gets rough.

I would MUCH rather own this old straight bottom Cig than the well worn Bravo drive T/S that is typical in this price range.

Heck, this old straight bottom is even faster than the T/S offerings found in this price range!

:drink:Kurt's .04 :drink:

I dont have a gun in the fight but my opinion says high $60K's to low $70K's is what it finally takes to move this boat. Time will tell.

Interesting boat. Looking at the cabin pictures there is no coring in the hullsides. Were all of the '90 MPH' boats layed up this way? I would love to see some more pictures of the structure in the cabin.

What's going on with the pipes coming out of the transom, seems like the exhaust holes were just cut wherever?

It's definitely a neat boat to people like me that like Cigarettes of old & new.

I know you guys aren't looking for opinions or anything, but MAN I think it would sell a lot faster, if it had the actual 90mph paintjob on it, or any variation of it.

I can't imagine it would cost much at all to just have the sides & deck painted white, & do a vinyl decal of the stripe in a color that matches up with the existing hardware?

Even something as simple as this, would be cheap & add a lot to it being an actual 90mph Edition. You wouldn't have to spend a dime on anything else since everything else is blue inside the boat:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/172/exmple.jpg

Just an idea, and definitely NO disrespect intended in any way. :cool:

what is that????

Interesting thought BLee.

It's the kilo boat, with a chitty rendering by me, to help illustrate what thedonz could do for I would think very little money, & make the boat look a little less dated, & increase it's potential to sell for their asking price.

In the islands, there is 2 big problems for a man who loves cigarette like me:

1) we are in islands, so the freight to bring a boat like this will cost approximately 30k$ (i have done it a few years ago with a formula)

2)we have the CE certificate problem, since 2006 it is impossible to buy a US boat with big power in it, they can not deliver CE certificate for these engines.

So even if I have bought a 90's top gun with konrad, let's say at 70k$ in US, I will have pay 100k$ at the end....so 85k$ is not so bad.....don't you think..?:drink: