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seahawk 09-15-2011 08:09 PM

What price will this go for?
 
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/2541848493.html

2000 straight botton, full cabin, stelling standoff boxes, Myco trailer 600 HP motors and XR drives all just rebuilt. Turn Key

36Envision 09-15-2011 08:30 PM

I could be way wrong as you never know what it is worth to any one individual....my "guess" would be $90K, possibly middle $90's....700 HP is also a lot of HP for XR's, at least on the upper end, which may potentially scare off some buyers.

eddie 09-15-2011 09:36 PM

I'd get rid of the picture of jumping the boat out of the water, not my idea of a selling point.

SS930 09-15-2011 10:12 PM

70's to low 80's???

RebarBox 09-15-2011 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3504614)
70's to low 80's???

Wow!!:eek:

I'd agree with Envision - Mid 90's.

Sea-Dated 09-16-2011 07:37 AM

After giving the Cafe' away I would have to say 70-80 as well. Unless you want to sit on it for a year waiting for the right buyer to give you $90.

UrbanDisturbance 09-16-2011 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3504614)
70's to low 80's???

+1

36Envision 09-16-2011 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by 36Envision (Post 3504534)
I could be way wrong as you never know what it is worth to any one individual....my "guess" would be $90K, possibly middle $90's....700 HP is also a lot of HP for XR's, at least on the upper end, which may potentially scare off some buyers.

I must have read the ad wrong, says 600 HP not 700 HP. I still say $90k w/o seeing boat, give or take a few thousand. Good luck w/the sale.:drink:

jeff32 09-16-2011 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by UrbanDisturbance (Post 3504754)
+1

+1 70-80

chewymalone 09-16-2011 12:33 PM

70-80K is probably about right. I'm considering parting ways with my 2000 Top Gun with supercharged 500 EFI's and Imco's. Shogren quoted wholesale that would correspond with those numbers.

88bullet 09-16-2011 01:32 PM

its worth what someone is willing to pay and what the buyer is willing to accept.. there is alot of nice stuff for sale and has been for a while. nice looking boat tho good luck with the sale

SS930 09-19-2011 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by RebarBox (Post 3504627)
Wow!!:eek:

I'd agree with Envision - Mid 90's.

There are very, very few buyers out there that are looking to spend mid 90's on a flat bottom TG... even the nicest of them. At $95k you're in TS territory (selling price). Like I said, $70-$80k, more than that and the boat will sit for a long time waiting for the next owner (IMO). I'm not knocking anyone's boat, just trying to be realistic after watching the market for a long time...

Fountain Family 09-19-2011 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by eddie (Post 3504587)
I'd get rid of the picture of jumping the boat out of the water, not my idea of a selling point.

Looks like he took your advice!!

fountainfan42 09-19-2011 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by eddie (Post 3504587)
I'd get rid of the picture of jumping the boat out of the water, not my idea of a selling point.

just shows how good a boat she really is :eek:

seahawk 09-20-2011 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3506544)
There are very, very few buyers out there that are looking to spend mid 90's on a flat bottom TG... even the nicest of them. At $95k you're in TS territory (selling price). Like I said, $70-$80k, more than that and the boat will sit for a long time waiting for the next owner (IMO). I'm not knocking anyone's boat, just trying to be realistic after watching the market for a long time...

Any TS at $95K would have 300 hours on it and need $30K (engins and drives) to make it fresh. :angry-smiley-038:

This boat is FRRRRESH if it had 300 hours on it I would agree with $70-$80K.

Maybe it would be a better sales pitch for $75K with 300 hours on it :eek:

4195 09-20-2011 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by seahawk (Post 3504519)
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/2541848493.html

2000 straight botton, full cabin, stelling standoff boxes, Myco trailer 600 HP motors and XR drives all just rebuilt. Turn Key

Just my guess would be it will sell for $75k it will sit for $90K. The other problem would be the bank. The bank will put a value you would not like on the boat that could blow apart any deals. I sold my Cafe last year with fresh custome paint brand new Cigarette interior new shifters throttles carpet external steering new cover etc,etc in the $60's (no trailer). The boat was fresh but he market is what the market is. The buyers out there today all want twin step boats so this softens the market. This not a knock on the boat I still love the straight bottoms but the market wants to go fast and high cruise speeds with dependable power.

eddie 09-20-2011 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by 4195 (Post 3507545)
Just my guess would be it will sell for $75k it will sit for $90K. The other problem would be the bank. The bank will put a value you would not like on the boat that could blow apart any deals.

The age is going to be a problem too, the banks are not loaning as often on boats older than ten years. If you want a true number call Scott at Shogren's and see what he puts on it. In my experiance his numbers are a good way to see what a boat would sell for.


Originally Posted by SS930
At $95k you're in TS territory (selling price).

I"ve been watching TS prices and haven't seen any TS go for $95k regarless of the power/hours? :eek:

Sea-Dated 09-20-2011 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by seahawk (Post 3507489)
Any TS at $95K would have 300 hours on it and need $30K (engins and drives) to make it fresh. :angry-smiley-038:

This boat is FRRRRESH if it had 300 hours on it I would agree with $70-$80K.

Maybe it would be a better sales pitch for $75K with 300 hours on it :eek:

Honestly, the 0 hours would make me nervous. No idea who the builder is, who did the refresh, if the motors will even make it 5 hours at this point.

I would be more comfortable with 300 hours on merc power that have never been touched.

But that is just me.

Sea-Dated 09-20-2011 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by eddie (Post 3507568)
I"ve been watching TS prices and haven't seen any TS go for $95k regarless of the power/hours? :eek:

Do you know this for a fact or just that no one has been ASKING $95K?

You might be surprised what people are actually taking for the boats vs what they were asking.

I know I took WAY less for mine than I was asking as I am sure most people due if they actually want to move it these days.

Quinlan 09-20-2011 02:14 PM

T/S for $95 ! Really?? Come on!!
I know somebody that would buy it.
Show me the add.
I think you guys are out there on T/S prices.

Must be some desperate times for someone.
Glad mines PAID FOR!

36Envision 09-20-2011 02:49 PM

I recently purchased a straight bottom, re-rigged TG. I was looking for a TS, made offers on some TS guns & I can tell you w/ almost 100% certainty no TS could be purchased for $95k....unless there were some rare circumstances surrounding the sale. Just my $.02. The subject boat should bring approximately $85k. However, simply opinion & speculation. We will never know until an agreement is made between buyer/seller.

4195 09-20-2011 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3506544)
There are very, very few buyers out there that are looking to spend mid 90's on a flat bottom TG... even the nicest of them. At $95k you're in TS territory (selling price). Like I said, $70-$80k, more than that and the boat will sit for a long time waiting for the next owner (IMO). I'm not knocking anyone's boat, just trying to be realistic after watching the market for a long time...

Maybe Outerlimits but not Cigarettes:party-smiley-004:
Seriously I have not even seen any of the 2001 early TS Top Guns with 500 EFI's going that cheap, and I am surprised seeing that thaey are XR boats and would most likely need a freshening and probalby some headers. I still stick by the $75k number unless someone knows the boat and everything the owner has done to it, that could bring some extra dough.

seahawk 09-20-2011 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Sea-Dated (Post 3507615)
I would be more comfortable with 300 hours on merc power that have never been touched.

But that is just me.

I guess the thing to do is drive the $hit out of it and sell. Let the guy that thinks he's getting a great deal spend $30K on motors and drive rebuilds ($75k+$30K= $105k) makes $90K sound like a great price :lolhit: :party-smiley-004:

The boat has about 40 hours on it since the rebuild and not merc power :drink:

4195 09-20-2011 03:22 PM

Here is your competition
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http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o41678-en.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o41341-en.html

Spicy 09-20-2011 04:41 PM

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My Buddy will sell his 2001 TS for low 100's.... and its not a 300 hour boat that needs rebuilds, he already did that last winter with receipts!!!

Turn Key on a Black Myco....

PM me if you want his number I will put you in touch with him.

Pat

seahawk 09-20-2011 05:03 PM

1. Maybe good TS buy but no trailer.
2. Two years make a big difference and looks like it's time to rebuild.
3. Too old.

seahawk 09-20-2011 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Spicy (Post 3507840)
My Buddy will sell his 2001 TS for low 100's.... and its not a 300 hour boat that needs rebuilds, he already did that last winter with receipts!!!

Turn Key on a Black Myco....

PM me if you want his number I will put you in touch with him.

Pat

His boat looks like a great deal for low 100's. Does He or did he have it listed anywhere?

OldSchool 09-21-2011 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by seahawk (Post 3507853)
His boat looks like a great deal for low 100's. Does He or did he have it listed anywhere?

It was listed here for a while.

I've got some seat time in this boat (Not nearly as much as Spicy) and it is unbelievable that it hasn't sold. Fresh 575 Mercs (blowers done as well), new transom assemblies, fresh drives, new CMI headers. Every accessory , hose and belt were replaced on the boat when the engines were done......all for the price of what everyone else is hoping to get for T/S boats that need to have all of this work done.

The owner bought a kittyCat this past spring and priced the boat to sell. Other than the paint not being a scheme that some people might not like.....I can't figure out why it hasn't sold.:confused::confused: Is the market really that bad???

SS930 09-21-2011 07:45 AM

Guys there have been multiple TS boats listed within the past year that have sold under $100k. I'm not going to go digging for proof, but there certainly have been boats selling in that area. As I recall, there was even one down in so. FL with an asking price below $100k, it went for well below $95k. And yes, these boats mostly had 500's with hours and XR's, but they were runners and TS boats. Some really nice examples have gone for $105-$125k. Hell, look at Pat's buddy's boat... That boat is fresh (and a clean/sharp boat at that) and can probably be bought at $100k, keep in mind this boat has been listed for a long time too. Speaking of which, someone should jump on that deal!!! :cool:

Point is buyers know their options and are looking for the newer stepped boats, at $112k for a straight bottom they will no doubt look elsewhere. Banks wont touch an older straight bottom at anywhere near this price and buyers have a lot more options at this range.

If you don't believe me, look at Darren's (dnebo's) super hot blue and white TG in MI with fresh blower motors (I think 900 Zulls) and SSM drives... That boat sat FS on here for some time w/o selling and it's as pristine and spotless as you'll ever find!!! One super hot straight bottom TG! I think it's still FS (although not on OSO now) and he can't get the kind of coin you're talking for his boat... Keep in mind this boat is the finest straight bottom you'll fine on the market, bar none!

So to move the boat in question, I'll be shocked if it sells quickly at anything close to $90k. I'll stick to my $70's to low $80's guess. No disrespect intended, the OP just asked the question and I've been following the market for quite a while so I threw my 2 cents in...

302Sport 09-21-2011 08:34 AM

the 45 apache with 1100 and 6's, and also a 42 cig evolution with 1000's and 6's, both running boats can be bought in the $60k's, so wheres it leave a #3 boat.....basically these old boats are worth what the drives and engines are worth because once they are stripped, nobody is going to dump the money to get them back running

Spicy 09-21-2011 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by seahawk (Post 3507853)
His boat looks like a great deal for low 100's. Does He or did he have it listed anywhere?

It was listed on here for awhile, he bought a 36 Nor-Tech this past winter and wasusing both boats here annd there this summer. He has receipts from MDG Performance for all the work done. The rebuilds were done right as Craig mentioned below.


Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 3508346)
It was listed here for a while.

I've got some seat time in this boat (Not nearly as much as Spicy) and it is unbelievable that it hasn't sold. Fresh 575 Mercs (blowers done as well), new transom assemblies, fresh drives, new CMI headers. Every accessory , hose and belt were replaced on the boat when the engines were done......all for the price of what everyone else is hoping to get for T/S boats that need to have all of this work done.

The owner bought a kittyCat this past spring and priced the boat to sell. Other than the paint not being a scheme that some people might not like.....I can't figure out why it hasn't sold.:confused::confused: Is the market really that bad???

Craig knows this boat just as good as me, Accurate description!!! See you tomorrow night in Solomons buddy!!!

OldSchool 09-21-2011 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Spicy (Post 3508435)
It was listed on here for awhile, he bought a 36 Nor-Tech this past winter and wasusing both boats here annd there this summer. He has receipts from MDG Performance for all the work done. The rebuilds were done right as Craig mentioned below.



Craig knows this boat just as good as me, Accurate description!!! See you tomorrow night in Solomons buddy!!!

Bring your stunt liver.......and an umbrella! :D

Spicy 09-22-2011 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 3508797)
Bring your stunt liver.......and an umbrella! :D

Just got out of the Hospital, went to the ER this AM rolled my foot over cutting the grass last night, woke up this morning and couldn't walk on it... took XRays and said I have some pulled Tendons, not broken but hurts like Chit!!!!
Heading into office dont know if I'm coming tonight now? have to get some work done first.
call you later

ktm2212 09-26-2011 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3508373)
As I recall, there was even one down in so. FL with an asking price below $100k, it went for well below $95k. ...

I think I looked at that boat....
On a northern scale it was a 5 or a 6. Flip job where the sellers had zero info about the engines and needed some serious TLC.

My 2000 T/S is going to be listed soon for those interested. I understand tough tough market, but this won't be a fire sale.

Spicy 09-26-2011 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by Spicy (Post 3507840)
My Buddy will sell his 2001 TS for low 100's.... and its not a 300 hour boat that needs rebuilds, he already did that last winter with receipts!!!

Turn Key on a Black Myco....

PM me if you want his number I will put you in touch with him.

Pat

I spent the weeknd with my buddy Brian driving his 36 NorTech and told him about this conversation here on OSO... its going back up for sale this week.

105K Firm.

Will be putting ad up on OSO later tonight or tomorrow!! Or will trade for High End Sports Car or Freightliner Sportchasis type towing Vehicle.

PM if you want to view vessel.

cigarette38topgun 09-27-2011 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3508373)
Guys there have been multiple TS boats listed within the past year that have sold under $100k. I'm not going to go digging for proof, but there certainly have been boats selling in that area. As I recall, there was even one down in so. FL with an asking price below $100k, it went for well below $95k. And yes, these boats mostly had 500's with hours and XR's, but they were runners and TS boats. Some really nice examples have gone for $105-$125k. Hell, look at Pat's buddy's boat... That boat is fresh (and a clean/sharp boat at that) and can probably be bought at $100k, keep in mind this boat has been listed for a long time too. Speaking of which, someone should jump on that deal!!! :cool:

Point is buyers know their options and are looking for the newer stepped boats, at $112k for a straight bottom they will no doubt look elsewhere. Banks wont touch an older straight bottom at anywhere near this price and buyers have a lot more options at this range.

If you don't believe me, look at Darren's (dnebo's) super hot blue and white TG in MI with fresh blower motors (I think 900 Zulls) and SSM drives... That boat sat FS on here for some time w/o selling and it's as pristine and spotless as you'll ever find!!! One super hot straight bottom TG! I think it's still FS (although not on OSO now) and he can't get the kind of coin you're talking for his boat... Keep in mind this boat is the finest straight bottom you'll fine on the market, bar none!

So to move the boat in question, I'll be shocked if it sells quickly at anything close to $90k. I'll stick to my $70's to low $80's guess. No disrespect intended, the OP just asked the question and I've been following the market for quite a while so I threw my 2 cents in...

I would agree. If you are a patient buyer I think an early T/S can be had for just under 100K. If I was in the marked for a non step gun I would be talking to Darren, that boat is one of the cleanest 38's around with nice power and drives.

Jt

pm203 09-27-2011 03:08 PM

I would think that any T/S gun for under $100K would most likely be a needing a full resto or close to it.

thisistank 09-27-2011 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by pm203 (Post 3513731)
I would think that any T/S gun for under $100K would most likely be a needing a full resto or close to it.

Exactly! Or at the very, very minimum require as much money to get it up to usable standards that you may as well be looking at the boats in the 120-140k range.

OldSchool 09-27-2011 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 3513757)
Exactly! Or at the very, very minimum require as much money to get it up to usable standards that you may as well be looking at the boats in the 120-140k range.

Ummmm..... See post #'s 31 and 35. :eureka:

My friend has 77K worth of receipts from the last 18 months from everything that has been done. One hell of a deal IMHO

Quinlan 09-27-2011 03:35 PM

Now we are talking reality guys!
$100K + 30K for motors( Have to go BIGGER)
Interior $10K paint touch up $? Trailer $10k
Underwater LEDs, LEDs in the cabin and engine room.....
and the list goes on and on and on and!!
I am sure there are a few other things I did to my WAY over $100k T/S
O dont forget the $25k plus on drives too.

BUT a WHOLE F@ckin summer Rockin with NO problems PRICELESS!!!!!!


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