Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 3642187)

Are you serious? Phils been racing boats since he was a teenager. Guy holds American and international championships and has been "tweaking" cigarettes to get the top MPH for the better part of his life oh, and he still works with cigarette on changes to the overal design, the bottom, the deck etc.

"salesman"? Yes. But if that's all you know of him then you don't know much. Sure, you hear about the large dollar sales he makes on new cigs all the time but these pale in comparisson to all the "offline" deals he does putting people into their dream boats. Wont talk to you unless you spend 200k? Really? I paid 85k for my gun through him, he helped me on financing and became a very good friend. Me and my wife have had countless meals with him, stayed at his house and have been invoted on poker runs with him. But yea, he only caters to the high end customers!

One of, if not thee most knowledgable people in the industry when it comes to Cigarette and the only person that I know of in the industry that has dedicated his life to cigarette.

I'm not trying to start a Phil vs tres argument. Tres is great in his own right and if he says he can do the work and you respect him so highly why are you on here second guessing what he told you?

Knowing Phil the way I do, you asked Phil about screwing with the chines in order to get a few mph. Instead of being a "salesman" and seeing dollar signs telling you to bring it down and start throwing money at it, it sounds to me like he gave you some sound advise. Which was basically, if you're looking to keep pushing a hull that has met its limits why not sell the boat and get into a used twin step that will run those speeds with virtually stock HP?

Don't dog the guy because he gave you his honest assessment just because it wasn't what you wanted to hear. And definately don't disrespect the guys knowledge and heritage. I those are pretty clear from the vast majority of people in the industry and customers alike that respect him. But there's always haters out there. Go figure.

Originally Posted by bigfarmer (Post 3642204)

Well said... Im not trying to dog anybody or start arguments just trying to see who has done this to their TG and if it was worth doing or not. Im not claiming to be a professional just trying to learn from other owners.

Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 3642491)

I think phil gave some good advise, but don't blame you for not wanting to buy another boat.

I think you should consider playing with weight distribution via sandbags before modifying the hull. If you can get under the cockpit floor put some sandbags in and experiment with weight distribution. Try moving weight infront of the engine bulkhead, then maybe under the drive seat, then maybe the cabin, etc. Modifying the hull should be absolute last resort. Look at how these apache's are running with forward tanks, floor tanks, and saddle tanks. In rough water you have to know how to keep that weight distributed just right. It doesn't take much. My boat is so carefully balanced that changing from cast iron to aluminum heads altered the ride negatively.

Originally Posted by kvogt (Post 3642516)

What he said and Are you running modern props? On my boat there is a huge difference on rough water handling in the props. BBlades has trial program to test CNC Mercs and Herings.