Hey Joe
 

Love Your new Cig. Really love that paint job. The flag looks great. Love to hear how it turns out with the new engs. It was nice to hear from you. Hope to see you in Destin. I will be grilling on crap Island as allways. Come eat. Good luck with the new Cig. Any more pics? Artie :flag:

thanks, artie. the new engines are going to be great. the last time i ran the gladiator (when the engines started showing signs of water in the cylinders) was destin!!!! hopefully we'll have a better experinece with her this year. unless i find a poker run boat i can't live without between now and then... it wouldn't take much to be talked into leaving the gladiator at home on the dock.

another comment the dealer made to me was that i had owned the boat for two months prior to destin and said there was no way he'd stand behind it two months after the sale. i told him, if he'd look at the hour meter, he'd see it literally didn't have a full hour run time on it, which was me getting the attitude of the boat right and propping it (again, thanks, brad/tres!!!!!).

don't get me going again on my so-called "friend" who sold me the boat in good faith. another major reason the boat did not get run was, it came with the wrong props and wrong gears in the drives (1.36's). I had swept back 1.50's put on and when they sent me a new set of props, THEY DIDN'T MATCH!!!!!! one spun appx. 400 RPM more than the other. so, yeah.... no kidding it took me two months to realize the motors were rotted ---- come on!!!!!!

well, there went another useless rant. one of my family friends, who's a boater and a big name lit. attny here in houston, told me he'd be glad to create a suit, if for nothing else but to publically make known what happened and cost him, at least, the amount he could have spent standing behind the boat, on his attny's. i'm just not that person.....

we began talking about a new MTI he was wanting sold pretty bad. thank goodness i didn't move fwd. with it. there's NO TELLING how i may have been hung out to dry. Skater and Cigarette have both been spot-on, in regard to customer service... not just with the new Skater and Cig.... even in regard to Godspeed, which I obviously bought used,directly from JMac, with no dealer involved.

joe

Thanks Joe. I started this tread because Your a stand up Guy. I didn't wan't to high jack the outher one. It really would be nice to see what Your doing with Your new Cig. This treads for You My frend. Hope You can post some pics. It really is a beautiful boat. God Bless. Artie

i actually haven't taken any yet. but, i'll swing by there and snap some of the progress. the dash turned out great, as you'll see in the pics... but, i can't say i really expect you to get excited about the new swept back XR pics, but i'll take them anyway. :-) the wet sanding on the boat and trailer really made them both pop. i was very happy with david's guys work from gulf coast composites. -- side bar.... funny --- he actually bought the 1075's out of my skater that were sold to ron z who was considering putting them in his new skater.

if you go to www.flpowerboat.com and click on the photo's tab, then on joe pandak the pics from destin last year will come up. the one on the 45 degree angle looks pretty cool.

the pics of the rotted motors and intake are ugggggly! i have those saved on another computer. they're not great, but i'll get them up soon.

i can guarantee you i know a certain boat dealer that has already seen them --- not to mention Legendary Marine who pulled the first motor apart for me while it was still in destin.... i also told the dealer he was welcome to swing by legendary and look at the motors while he was there. he chose not to.

again, with the expectation we simply had a leaking heade gasket that was dripping on the starter, causing it to act up..... which i also mentioned to the gentleman who did the sea trial with me and told me that if we found the starter was bad when i got it home to my mechanics (they didn't have time to look at is as they were on a deadline to deliver a cat they just sold), they'd just send me a new starter!!!!

FYI --- the starter was bad because the leaking gasket had dripped salt water on it for so long it rusted it out and caused it to also malfunction..... to date, i have never received the new starter or credit for it. i was told by the dealership that they were clear it was a loose wire --- actually, it was....but, the wire was in their noggin', not the boat!!!! :-)


joe

Wow that sucks Joe. I bet this boat has a great new owner. I know You like Your stuff right. Can't wait to see what Your doing with this Cig. Thanks for the pm. Have a great week. Artie

did you buy the boat from peir 57? a simple yes or no will do.

it was nice talking to an old friend....enjoy the ride homie.....hope to see you soon

"yes or no" ---- however, i've always heard the first answer is always better than the latter!!!!!!


joe

I AM NOT OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lolhit:

you too, my friend. sorry i've been so tied up with this new venture and haven't gotten that way. makes this gladiator issue much easier to deal with though, staying busy, not having time for boating!!!

So.....maybe time to retract previous thoughts? :angry-smiley-044::evilb::evilb:



'03 Lip-ship Gladiator - Purchased (Not from Lip-Ship) w/ worn out Merc's posted on OSO Classifieds and told to me had "Fresh Motors." Wish I would have gotten to Philly's 1 Day Sooner and bought the Gladiator he sold to Tommy!!!

you need to get you but out of the office and hit some poker runs, its lonely without you there. Kenny needs someone to keep him in line, he was having fun in Islamarada,

you better make the LOTO shootout JOE - good luck with the glad

yeah. i think when it came to making the boat right, as presented vs. cutting into the profitability level, there may have been a decision to go the wrong way.

here are pics of the motors from the outside...... the inners are to follow:

...the insides. "FRESH!!!":

Holy Chit man! and I thought MY fresh motors were bad.
Of course mine blowed the fluk up before I knew how Fresh they were.

Live and learn right! ?

HA..... Man, I'd be glad to. Believe me!!!! I had no idea when I started this thing that I'd have me so wrapped up in it. But, as my better half said to me, "The bigger the ordeal, the bigger the rewards."

I politely told her that I didn't need this big of a reward!!! LOL...

Regarding Kenny --- He does just fine on his own. :drink:

Hopefully this thing will have gained enough traction where I can get away for a week or so..... Nothing would make me happier!!!! Believe me!!! :party-smiley-048:

I miss hanging out with you guys too!!!!

LOL --- no kidding!!!!!!! sorry to hear that.

Joe-

You bought a used boat...what did you think you were getting for 65k to 70k?? Re-build the engines and use the boat! You sitting here crying about isn't going to get the boat on the water any faster! Plus, bashing good dealers like Woods isn't cool either, but you can do what ever makes you feel better about your situation. Why don't you start showing pictures of your motors being rebuilt and your boat boat being put back together?? That's what we like to see on these forums!!

Todd Fountain

Ouch. That hurts just to look at. Thanks for sharing.

DAMN !!!! IT :poopoo:

Even the ROT ain't "FRESH" :angry-smiley-038:

sad the way some business folks are, hopefully Karma will bite them in the end :(

hmmm......MAYBE FRESH MOTORS AS ADVERTISED + TOLD BEFORE HE DROPPED THE JING?

DUH :lolhit:

stupid comment:angry-smiley-038:

Hey...you are only hearing one side of the story, you know how it works.

Todd

Hi Todd,

...motors are in progress. i will certainly post the pics when they are done and back in the boat, as well as take some pics the next time i'm over there of the dash/gps and the paint being cleaned up and looking so good.

i know you know about waiting for motors to be done... that was an interesting trip going to Baker to see yours. impressive shop and smart, nice guys.


btw -- the boat was not 65-70k, and i've already heard 'the other side of the story.' i'd be glad to have the dealer to share it here with everyone. maybe we could start a poll and settle it that way. :drink:

ps: your new gun came out very nice (as expected via Philly). i am sure you are very pleased.


Joe

I am sure Pier 57 didn't now the motors were in that bad of conditon, but they DID advertise as Fresh motors, you would think that they should stand behind their advertisement and buck up for rebuilds !! not many good dealers left in this industry and apparently Pier 57 effed up in this case !

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Now THATS sum funny chit!!

agree completely.

Joe It would be nice to see You at the Ticfaw200. Have You ever been? Artie

you BETTER be talking about Gomer!!!!" LOL...... Only kidding.


Joe

haven't ever made it... always seem to be in SFl that weekend. not sure how it happens. we'll see this year. just started talking to someone this week about possibly buying a poker run boat. we'll see how it goes.

if i buy it, i can almost guarantee you i will be in it, in SFl. if not, it's possible i'd be up for the run in the gladiator. i hear yau'll have gators bigger than my new little boat!!! LOL....:eekdrop::eekdrop::eekdrop:

Joe

Lol. You would have a large time. It's lots of fun. We allways have a great turn out. Our pets just watch they don't mess with anyone. Lol. Artie :lolhit:

pets... i presume your 'pets' have all been eaten by alliators!!!

dave hunter told me one night when we were air boating in the glades that there is a group of rednecks that lets their kids swim in one of the lakes deep in the glades. they tie a rope around their waiste so that if they see alligators beginning to get too close to them while they are swimming, they can reel them in and away fom the gators. what the heck?????

good times!!!!! :musik010::musik010:

ps: just got back from the engine shop earlier. one motor should be done next week. can't wait to get it repainted and back into the boat.

joe

Joe if Your Cigs not a poker run boat then what are You looking for??? Love the dash on the Cig. How are the motors comming. Artie:whistle:

something i can cruise in SFl without getting beat up in the ocean on an average conditions day.

my mechanic is doing all of the typical cosmetic engine room touch-up's this coming week. if i wasn't so busy right now, i'd be jones'ing to get her in the water.

i made an offer on a poker run boat last week. it was apparently not meant to be... i didn't really need the distractions of flying out to run it etc.... right now anyway!!!! still passively shopping.

joe

Good luck with Your search. Can't wait to see what this will be. Artie

Up dates Joe. Hope You had a great Easter :bunnydance:. Artie

Hows the boat comming Joe???

hi artie, since you asked, i'll give a bit longer of an answer than you may be asking:

Scott (Shogren) was made aware of my post and contacted me. i don't know Scott, nor have ever met him. But, I must say, his reputation of being a stand up person, in my experience, is 100% accurate. We came to a financial agreement (remember, this debacle occurred way before Scott bought Pier 57), he asked me to send him an invoice, which I did, and he would have a check cut. Several days later I received a message from him stating that David Woods told him not to cut the check.

So, to recap, when I bought this little Ciggie, the Pier 57 person who did the sea trial with me commented that the difficulty starting one of the motors was most likely from a bad connection on that motor's starter, and that he didn't have time to fix it then because Woods had him on a rush job to get the 50 OL cat ready, as it was sold (although I called two days in advance stating I would be bringing a truck down to buy and leave, that same day, with the boat).

Being that I thought Woods and I were "friends", I agreed to leave with a boat that clearly had "some kind of" problem with it, with the verbal agreement that whatever it turned out to be, Woods would take care of it --- ship me the parts or whatever (I was even willing to pay the labor to my guys back in Houston to do the work, which needless to say, was not my burden, but, up and until that point, it had always been a give-and-take relationship between us ------------- to the point several years back in LOTO, I was walking into a restaurant that Woods was ducking out of quickly to get somewhere and was going to leave his girlfriend to pick up the tab w/ his credit card, which she would then have to try to catch up and find them after. I told Woods we were about to sit down and eat, and that I'd gladly pick up the tab so she could leave with him.... it was no big deal (and as you can imagine... it wasn't a small or cheap group he ate with).

Anyway, we are talking here more about being screwed by someone you thought you knew more than the 12k or so that it would have cost (retail) to have the motors fixed.

I told Woods, if we hadn't been 'friends', there would have been NO WAY I would ever have paid for and left with a used boat that wasn't running right. I would have told the dealer to have the boat fixed and I'd then buy it. I certainly would not have paid in full for a boat that had a possibly major engine issue (which it turned out that it did).

I don't know why David snapped in such a sad direction over this -------- to the point he accused me of not returning a set of propellers he thought I had of his. Huh.... I told him I gave them to one of his guys (not going to name his name here, but did tell Woods whom), where he unlocked the Sport Chassy, put them inside and then one of my buddies and I stood and chatted with him for quite a bit thereafter?????? What the heck ---- we're now arguing over a $600-$700 set of props ---- what about my motor issues????

Well, one of my attorney's father and mine went to law school together, and we have been friends for decades. We happened to go to dinner last week and I was telling him how disappointed I was about all this. He quickly made a call while we were sitting at the table to a buddy who's area covers Tennessee.... and was ready to go. Needless to say, I put the brakes on it and shared with him how there was no way I would be willing to spend my time going to Tennessee to fight this in court, and I don't bluff.... so, I wasn't willing to send a demand letter or file suit with the idea if he didn't pay-up, I'd just drop the suit.

I really just wanted this person I have developed a pretty good friendship over the last 5+ years to fix this and make it right. Guess that isn't going to happen. Sad. I'd heard several stories in the past how Woods had left people hanging on certain issues. I just chalked it up to "two sides of a story." Well, I now know what the other side of the story looks like.

On a positive note --- I must say, I would be willing to buy a boat anytime from Scott (as long as he was not affiliated with Woods. Again, he is quite a stand-up guy!

---- Scott, Thank you so much for what you were willing to do (over something that had absolutely nothing to do with you). Again, my point is more about who someone is and how they handle themselves. Thank you for being true to your reputation. Best of luck with Pier 57 and working with Woods.

Thats great to hear Joe. When I look to upgrade I will give Scott the first call. Glade Your getting You boat ready. I'm thinking about a Formula 40ss an Shogren has a couple. I will have to go meet Scott when I'm ready. I'm going to the races this weekend. Yeaaaa :whistle:

well, i heard from two of my good friends this past week. the first said how great of an experience he had with Pier 57 selling his used boat, and another talking about a not-so-agreeable situation --- for completely different reasons. i hate to hear i may possibly not be the only person who has had a difficult time with them. i was hoping it was, for whatever reason, an isolated incident.

on another note, i also hear that congrat's are in order for bruce bullock in becoming the new MTI (and Mystic) dealer.