What's it worth?
 

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What would a '86 Cafe with 540Hawks (585HP) and Speedmaster III factory setup roughly be worth these days in need of some TLC?

whatever someone feels comfortable to pay, some will say very little due to tlc, others will look at amout of parts there and base off that... Cafes are all over right now... high and low.. all depends...

a similar on ebay went up to 19k, reserve not met...tough market for seller right now...

Thank's well taking into consideration, the power setup which is probably the most important factor as a Cafe with the most basic setup (360HP)? is not as all as attractive as a Cafe with Hawk 540's (585HP), if we say both are in need of TLC, I would think..

For what I know the lowest priced one in need of TLC is the one for 26K with similar engine setup...so anything lower than that would make or should make one feel comfortable?

What would be considered a steal here in this scenario and market?

Also can you go by the value of a survey here, which takes all factors into consideration?

I'd same 20-25k would be a steal depending on what TLC it need. I paint and interior are usable then the nember is good. if the power needs completely gone thru (engines, drives, transmissions) your number will be double that in a hurry.

As for the survey value. I depends on who did it. If they are a performance surveyor then you have a chance if not you have just as good a shot using KBB.

Witch one is it?
Brett

It's not on the market at the moment and I dont know of another Cafe with the factory installed original 540 Hawks and Speedmaster III setup..or what other ones are out there?

I'd say it's worth what ever you can part it out for, in case you don't decide to use it later, or rebuild the boat later or what ever you're looking to do with this thing. Worse case, what's it worth in parts? Did you see the one on the Lipship site? They're asking 39k I'm sure they would take less, don't know anything about the mechanics but the paint and interior look great. That doesn't seem like a bad price, maybe you should give Phil a ring before you buy this other boat. Just a thought...

Are you talking about the sweeden boat if so that's a great buy!
Brett

The Sweden boat..the Hawk is that for sale..? How much is he asking? Do you have a link?

http://www.boatcrazy.com/search/details.php?id=25792


this one??

there was another one with hawks and speedys on a used car lot but i cant seem to find the link

I agree!

For Me - a boat that "needs TLC" but has a "decent" engine package is worth much less than the one that has been cosmetically redone like the one at LipShip.

Having followed builds and redo's on this site the costs are always under estimated, the time and resources are similarily underestimated, and sometimes people seemed burnt out after all is said and done.


Take the one at LipShip, yank the engines out, sell them to offset the cost of some fresher engines you know are good, throw those in there and you're up and running in less time than you'd spend picking out a guage package for the boat that needs TLC.....

The lipship boat is a steal. Buy that one and repower. There's off brand boats out there with Ssm 3's that you can take all the rigging out of. You will be way ahead time and money.

Agreed the Lipship cig is absolutely the best buy over all right now. If you're thinking of spending mid 50's for this "all original" boat I'd consider spending way less on the better looking boat and upgrade the power later with the money you'll save.

No that's actually my neighbors boat and it is also a great buy!!
Brett

Sorry its a topgun but if your still interested its a great deal all original with hawk power and in great shape!!
Brett

If he's thinking of spending mid-50's tell me where you want mine delivered. It's full of gas, and I'll drop it off full of liquor too....

Hell for an extra 10k I'll leave the truck and catch a flight home.....

LOL...I was going off the Hawk one posted for 55k ;)

Well the lipship cafe is done..it's not really a blank canvas..so its a question of taste, some people might just prefer to have a project and a boat which needs tlc doing it to their own taste instead of just taking someones elses..so either you really like that boat or your better of doing one to your own taste!

That says you have plenty of money to blow on this project. To each there own. I don't have the funds to have all that work done so I'd happily settle for it. Also it seems like your really into the "originality" of the hawk cigarettes. Just keep in mind these aren't ac cobras or corvettes. No one cares how it left the factory when there writing a check for it.

For me a blank canvas is better but more expensive. That you can make the boat yours. then its not so and so's old boat it yours. and If it has some history behind it it also away to move on from that.

If that's the case or the way you feel about it, then why worry about what something is worth, just buy what you want and do what you want to it. The way you started this post, it sounded like money mattered, that maybe you didn't want to get too deep, financially, into a project boat. If you start painting, replacing interiors, gauges, rigging, ect you're going to blow some serious coin, and that's on top of engine, drive and gimble rebuilds, provided it needs that stuff. Bottom line is, you'll never get your money out of it, so I guess it comes down to how much do you want to throw away? Who ever had the boat that Lipship is selling, dropped some coin, their loss is someones gain. If you drop 30k to 40k on something, do you realize that you could just buy a newer boat, finance it and get several years out of it with that kind of money? Especially seeing how cheap rates are right now? Just my 2 cents

Tim offers solid advise. Take it from someone that knows and has owned big and little cats and vee's, has built boats up from a bare hull and toen them down to rebuild and to update them. I assume Tim has literally spent nearly a million dollars on just upgrading and rebuilding alone over the years.

I know this had been done a few times before but let's break down the math...blank canvass style :whistle:

Conservatively:
Good deal on the boat (really good deal) - 20k
Decent paint job but nothing crazy - 10k
New interior - 10k
Rebuild motors (not buy others) - 8-10k each
All new gauges - 3500
Rebuild drives - 3k each
Rebuild trannies - 1500 each

There's just the big things but there's ALWAYS the unexpected!

So you're roughly spending 70k. There's a LOT of turn key cafes for under 70k right now. Heck, there's a few Top Guns for that price that are ready to roll!

But in the end, it's your choice. You want a project? Don't bother wondering what it's worth, just buy it if you like it and get busy. Price won't matter when you're planning on dropping so much money into it because bottom line, you could get the boat for free and most likely not even be able to break even when you're done. These things ain't investments!;);)

Good luck on whatever you decide to do.

Thank's a lot appreciate very much the solid advice!!

i feel like i have a couple thousand just in new screws, bolts, etc. :faint2: Amazing how the small chit adds up after you have it apart.

I know what you mean. I pulled my engines one year to replace the swivel seals (couple bucks) and ended up spending probably a thousand bucks on miscellaneous BS - bellows, gimbal bearings, shift cables, busings, etc.....

this one??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CIGAR...item4abe76951d

The boat looks pretty decent, but the engine compartment has seen better days I'm sure

could be a sweet buy if it stays cheap!

I would be concerned as to what kind of work the engine needs since they were rebuilt and only have 100hrs. on them. "Port engine needs work" is a rather vague description. Makes you wonder how far the other engine is from "needing work."

Plus, with no skegs, it would be rather squirrely coming off plane and to navigate around the dock.

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I noticed that as well.