CAFE TRS vs BRAVO???
 

Whats the difference in performance and speed in a Cafe or Mistress between TRS VS BRAVO with the same HP?

my guess is trannie eats around 50 hp, plus the weight and bravo is smaller and maybe more speed efficient???

so, my guess is... 2 or 3 mph faster in bravo?

I agree, most cafe's aren't notched. so its just the tranny and the weight.

You do get the benifit of the much easier bilget to access with the bravo's...

To me the trs boats are easier to work on, plenty of room in front of the motors either way, and with the transmissions they are out from under the hatch /transom over hang

Totally agree.... And the starters are on top!!

a buddy of mine has a cafe with 525efis in front of bravos and he love the set up , its a awesome boat and runs 80mph and that good for that heavy boat, lil red its a boat they are never that easy to work on that would take the fun out of it :lolhit:

I would say 2 MPH difference.

[QUOTE=ridefast77;3883737]a buddy of mine has a cafe with 525efis in front of bravos and he love the set up , its a awesome boat and runs 80mph and that good for that heavy boat[QUOTE]

What's it run when you take it off the trailer and put it in the water???:lolhit:

Boats are easy compared to light duty diesel trucks!
Think salt water boats are nasty work on a damn plow truck! Lol

[QUOTE=seafordguy;3883918][QUOTE=ridefast77;3883737]a buddy of mine has a cafe with 525efis in front of bravos and he love the set up , its a awesome boat and runs 80mph and that good for that heavy boatKinda what I was thinkin....

I always heard the Cafe's ran better with transmissions. TRS, SSM, etc. Due to the weight being a little more forward in the hull. Less porpoise, better handling in rough...

I have heard the same in any trs hull that was updated with bravo... I can tell you from being on both 311 formulas to compare the trs boat for sure was better in rough water overall but bravo was 3 mph faster I would rather have the trs then 3 mph

Plus when you take into account the weight of carrying a spare Bravo around, you probably scrub off the extra 3 mph right there LOL. :whistle:

[QUOTE=seafordguy;3883918][QUOTE=ridefast77;3883737]a buddy of mine has a cafe with 525efis in front of bravos and he love the set up , its a awesome boat and runs 80mph and that good for that heavy boatHahahaha! Exactly!......... 4195 here used to have a 93 Cafe with 550-575 a side with Bravos and Bblades 26P labbed 4 blades and saw a best of 78 MPH.,,,which I thought was really good for that tank.

Skramer has approx 600 a side saw 80 once with shorty. Drives .. I thought that was very impressive!

C'mon, bravos don't break !!! They're just fine even to 800hp with blowers, as long as you run a drive shower and some expensive lube lol :lolhit:

lol^^

If I had a TRS boat Id go straight to KONRADS , bravo is a step backwards , unless you got that magic lube of course:bunnydance:

The 25,000 Konrad conversion to older boats to me is insane...then you have even more invested in a boat not worth much in today's market......

Yep some $30 a qt lube changed every 5 hours makes way more sense! And they don't break if you can throttle! Have to laugh Everytime I hear that one....

I know what you mean...........

konrads is the way! Just to expensive. I am starting a savings fund now.

Wow I never priced em.. thats more expensive than I thought

Kramers Cafe runs Bravo's and I run TRS we both run 600's, he is 3mph faster. but Bravo
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I'm in the middle of a conversion now. I looked at the Konrads but just couldn't come up with the cash with out cutting many other things on the list. In the end I hope to have 525's efi and bravo with imco shorty lowers.

If I get mid to high 70's I'll be happy

If you don't already have the shorties you might want to search on here. Someone (either SKRAMER or SEA-DATED I believe) tried shorties with no real gains.

525's is not going to put you past 75, and probably more like 71-72......

Agreed. The best money I a ever spent on my Cafe was having BBlades lab up a set up 26's for me. I gained a solid 3-4mph in cruise and top end. Remember the Cafe likes positive trim and carrying the nose to gain speed. Shorties might not give enough leverage. As far as Cafe vs Bullet, I would say it depends on the boat. I loved my Cafe but I have always been a big fan of the Bullets. I must be old school because they are still some of my favorite boats out there. Go find one that someone put a pile of money in and now wants to move on. Don't buy a project boat even if you do the work yourself you will not come out ahead. Good luck!

I've found on a lot of these old heavy non stepped hulls, props turning in carry the nose much better

I am a Konrad guys. Love the idea and reliability. I believe when you get into the 700+ Hp range they make more sense than the Bravo's on these heavy boats when they are run in areas like the Great Lakes or Ocean. They do come up in the swap shop or classified here and there but are expensive. As for the TRS, I've never blown one with 450HP in a race 28' Cigarette and multiple 38' Top Guns with 750HP. Problem is one day parts are gonna be harder to find than they are now.

Just finished today, this Conversion, 86 Cafe, New Fast Forward 509, 550s, Konrads.

New Stainless Marine Gen 2s. Pro 1 Heads. Prop Testing On Monday.

Nice would like to hear how you made out......what is your prop shaft depth?? And what props are you running......thanks

Have got some p5x 28s and bravo 1 28 s to try. Past experience says the Konrads like Herings in a 16 inch diameter and 20 degree rake. The owner is very pleased with the installation, and steering. He got a new dash also.

Sweet, looks like a similar setup. What HP and Props are you running. Your drives look like they are mounted deep like mine, factory setup? What steering and tie bar (mounting plate) do you have, is it re-used from your TRS setup?

Thanks.

Friends Boat, I work on it with him. TRS boat, so the Konrads are 1.74" higher than TRS. Steering Plates by Konrad to Mimic Marine Machine dimensions. The drives are removed from my Top Gun. New home on the Cafe. New 6a's on the Top Gun, New Chiefs. New Transom. Its all Fun.

Way cool, thanks for the info. I would love to modify the boat eventually to arnesons. Have to ge the boat operating first!!!

Where is that build thread you promised us!!!

Ha, I figured I couldn't comparre to yours so I just quit.

Honestly haven't been doing much at all on it lately. Someone else has all the pictures of the in depth stuff, waiting for them to start the post. I will have more to post in a month or two.

Cool! Looking forward to seeing it!

That was actually me that promised it. :D


I'll get it up one of these days here soon :lolhit:

My friggin cheap shop camera changes the date randomly every time i put new batteries in it an when they are loaded into a file and i adjust for date they go way out of order so i have to sort by memory lol

haha! I just take mine with the iphone anymore... hit upload and there all on photobucket by the time I get to the computer!

The Dash cap looks awesome Dave!! Thanks again! We will be doing a new hatch next winter too... More than likely!!