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outlw36 09-26-2013 05:27 PM

speed question
 
What would a 94 38 top gun with brad smith 750hp blower motors run for speed and how reliable are the motors.
Also how do the old hulls ride compared to the new ones.
I'm looking for a fast wave crusher but not to much $$
Thanks

O.C.Barry 09-26-2013 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by outlw36 (Post 4002590)
What would a 94 38 top gun with brad smith 750hp blower motors run for speed and how reliable are the motors.
Also how do the old hulls ride compared to the new ones.
I'm looking for a fast wave crusher but not to much $$
Thanks

Our old 94 TG ran right at 80 with two people in it and half full of fuel. Twin 735 HP blower motors. That was with SSM 3A's and transmissions, Bravos will be faster, but with that much HP, you'll need some IMCO or Teague parts to gain drive life.

Unlimited jd 09-26-2013 06:49 PM

From what I hear those should be as if not more reliable than any other 700's. trs boat will run 80-82 but prop slip will be a little high unless it has nose cones. 3a's maybe slightly faster, bravos will be slower because they will be broken.

buck183 09-26-2013 08:37 PM

Would said boat by chance be listed in the classifieds on OSO? If so, would it by chance come with a gooseneck trailer? If so, the guy that built the boat reads this forum everyday. He could get you the exact info you look for.

Buck

carter38 09-26-2013 09:03 PM

If it's that boat you can pm me or call me if you like 918-232-3503. My old gun with Smith Power 750's would run mid 80's pretty consistent. Motors made a little bit more that 750 though.

mmb 09-26-2013 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by O.C.Barry (Post 4002621)
Our old 94 TG ran right at 80 with two people in it and half full of fuel. Twin 735 HP blower motors. That was with SSM 3A's and transmissions, Bravos will be faster, but with that much HP, you'll need some IMCO or Teague parts to gain drive life.

Your old boat flirts with 100mph! Think we are going to do 6's next year!

Quinlan 09-27-2013 06:46 AM

[, bravos will be slower because they will be broken.[/QUOTE]

Now that right there is Funny!

cigrocket 09-27-2013 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Quinlan (Post 4002835)
[, bravos will be slower because they will be broken.

Now that right there is Funny![/QUOTE]

Straight Bottom Guns with more then 500HP are Bravo Eaters. Save yourself the headache and by a SSM boat.

carter38 09-27-2013 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by cigrocket (Post 4002943)
Now that right there is Funny!

Straight Bottom Guns with more then 500HP are Bravo Eaters. Save yourself the headache and by a SSM boat.[/QUOTE]

I'm a big believer in the way it's driven. Not trying to start a pissing match, but I've been around many guns with 500+ hp and have had one myself with 750's. I broke 1 in 3 years.

cigrocket 09-27-2013 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by carter38 (Post 4002970)
Straight Bottom Guns with more then 500HP are Bravo Eaters. Save yourself the headache and by a SSM boat.

I'm a big believer in the way it's driven. Not trying to start a pissing match, but I've been around many guns with 500+ hp and have had one myself with 750's. I broke 1 in 3 years.[/QUOTE]

It also depends on the water conditions and the driver. I do believe that you could make them last, But standard Bravos were never designed to hold more then 500HP and then you factor in the weight of the Top Gun. If you drive it hard or pop out of the water and don't throttle back, you could toast one. Anyway you look at it, the ride of the straight bottom gun is worth it.

kreed 09-27-2013 12:20 PM

Not that this means sh!t in the Top Gun world, but I had a Bullet that I would hold the sticks to the dash with 575 a side, with stock Bravos...in the ocean.... Actually remember a day when me and 2 buddies all took turns beating the daylights out of this Bullet, it was like a gang rape! We just kept switching drivers!( both friends been driving Cigs for years so good on the sticks) ...The SOB would not go a tic over 83.0 MPH and we proved it over and over that day! .... but the bravos held up and I sold the boat with never 1 drive problem. The Bullet doesn't weigh like a Gun, but its not light by any means.. Just my worthless .002$

cigrocket 09-27-2013 12:50 PM

That's good speed out of the bullet. 83 with 575.


Originally Posted by kreed (Post 4002995)
Not that this means sh!t in the Top Gun world, but I had a Bullet that I would hold the sticks to the dash with 575 a side, with stock Bravos...in the ocean.... Actually remember a day when me and 2 buddies all took turns beating the daylights out of this Bullet, it was like a gang rape! We just kept switching drivers!( both friends been driving Cigs for years so good on the sticks) ...The SOB would not go a tic over 83.0 MPH and we proved it over and over that day! .... but the bravos held up and I sold the boat with never 1 drive problem. The Bullet doesn't weigh like a Gun, but its not light by any means.. Just my worthless .002$


outlw36 09-27-2013 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by carter38 (Post 4002730)
If it's that boat you can pm me or call me if you like 918-232-3503. My old gun with Smith Power 750's would run mid 80's pretty consistent. Motors made a little bit more that 750 though.

Looked a nice cig today if things don't work out I might call you, it is the one with the goose neck. It's been for sale for a while, what's the deal with not selling?

Sydwayz 09-27-2013 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by kreed (Post 4002995)
Not that this means sh!t in the Top Gun world, but I had a Bullet that I would hold the sticks to the dash with 575 a side, with stock Bravos...in the ocean.... Actually remember a day when me and 2 buddies all took turns beating the daylights out of this Bullet, it was like a gang rape! We just kept switching drivers!( both friends been driving Cigs for years so good on the sticks) ...The SOB would not go a tic over 83.0 MPH and we proved it over and over that day! .... but the bravos held up and I sold the boat with never 1 drive problem. The Bullet doesn't weigh like a Gun, but its not light by any means.. Just my worthless .002$

Adam, get off of Kevin's computer! :drink:

O.C.Barry 09-27-2013 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by mmb (Post 4002742)
Your old boat flirts with 100mph! Think we are going to do 6's next year!

Wow Mark, that is AWESOME! Great job buddy, I'm so glad to see she is in good hands! So from Bravo's to 3A SSM'S to Konrad's to 6 SSM's, the old girl's had more hardware on her transom than a biker chick! LOL

88bullet 09-27-2013 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by outlw36 (Post 4003125)
Looked a nice cig today if things don't work out I might call you, it is the one with the goose neck. It's been for sale for a while, what's the deal with not selling?

its a beatuiful boat and looks spotless. but its got 750's and bravos and most of the people on here know thats a no no. i looked at the ad on here thousands of times. just not a fan of bravos on cigs or anything with 750hp for that matter

cigrocket 09-27-2013 08:58 PM

Here is the Answer.

I just listed mine...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cigar...#ht_500wt_1064

I finished the Mistress and Now the Top Gun. Not Sure What's Next. If I Don't Get the Right $$ I Will Run It Next Season.. And Love It!

outlw36 09-28-2013 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by 88bullet (Post 4003180)
its a beatuiful boat and looks spotless. but its got 750's and bravos and most of the people on here know thats a no no. i looked at the ad on here thousands of times. just not a fan of bravos on cigs or anything with 750hp for that matter

Whats wrong with having 750HP ?

buck183 09-28-2013 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by outlw36 (Post 4003412)
Whats wrong with having 750HP ?

His point wasn't the 750 HP motors. His point was the fact that they are mated to Bravos. That much HP with Bravos freaks some people out.

Knowing the man that built the boat and why he did it makes sense to me. I'll leave it up to him to comment further if he chooses.

Either way it's a beautifully done Top Gun that stands out above lots of others in that year model range. I can assure you the boat is immaculate.

Buck

88bullet 09-28-2013 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by outlw36 (Post 4003412)
Whats wrong with having 750HP ?

nothings wrong with 750's. especially brad smith 750's. they are top of the line. but you better be good on the sticks or boat on little lakes and rivers. with bravos there is a lot less room for driver error on a boat of that size. even the T/S boats with a more efficient hull can splatter a bravo at will if not careful. that boat looks spotless and very well taken care of.

i love my 750's in my top gun.

4195 09-30-2013 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by kreed (Post 4002995)
Not that this means sh!t in the Top Gun world, but I had a Bullet that I would hold the sticks to the dash with 575 a side, with stock Bravos...in the ocean.... Actually remember a day when me and 2 buddies all took turns beating the daylights out of this Bullet, it was like a gang rape! We just kept switching drivers!( both friends been driving Cigs for years so good on the sticks) ...The SOB would not go a tic over 83.0 MPH and we proved it over and over that day! .... but the bravos held up and I sold the boat with never 1 drive problem. The Bullet doesn't weigh like a Gun, but its not light by any means.. Just my worthless .002$

If was a great day! And a great boat!


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