I wasn't actually being a dik ....

What did you end up deciding to do for power in the Cafe? Going supercharged or N/A? Everyone loves motor builds. Can't hold out on us now. We came to far !

true, build specs would be good, engines are always fun to read about!! I thought 525HP?

tim never said you were a dik with the post im just saying lets not bring the thread back with vengeance please. the motors are 505ci (i think) N/A, being built by a board member with all new everything. dont ask me specifics, i dont have the total build sheet yet, i just know theyll make the power and speed and not blow up on the guy, and they have a warrantee which the owner wanted. the boat that i painted will, im sure be posted by the other board member on here if they see fit. as for the 525 route well, that was a gamble that didnt pay off. i got them in the top gun i acquired and they were get this, "supposedly" running...( werent hooked up all the way, etc) sold the idea of the engines to the owner before i got the engines out of the boat, once i got the engines to the builder for a refresh we found both blocks full of water, rusted, and utterly useless. so at this point i called up the owner, explained to him the situation...i was going to bite the bullet and put some low hour hp500's in his boat that i had a line on, so he didnt need to dish out more cash for my gamble, along with the hp500's i gave him a few other motor options we had, and after much back and forth, he decided on going the 650 route built from scratch. then called me asking me what i thought about the konrads, so i found a brand new set never ran, bought em, picking them up once the great north east catches a break from the snow they are getting lol i am very excited to see this boat come back together the way i wish i was able to do from the get go!

Cool just been off the radar on this boat was wondering what happened all good! Carry on...

Wow, that sucks man. Who sold you crap? Just so we don't buy stuff from the guy. (If it was an intentional rip-off and not an "honest mistake")

it was just some older business man from up in VT area. he owned the boat since new in miami and ran it and maintained it with open checkbook, (have all maintenance records and survey done about 4 years ago) but he brought it up to lake champlain, popped a motor, long story short, he was helping out a local mechanic who was going to pull the motor and rebuild and put back together, then said mechanic gets arrested and boat sits on a trailer covered up for 2-3 years i think...boat owner is getting sued by said incarcerated mechanics brother for "storage". the owner of the boat is from montreal QC and has a house on the lake, and is very busy, didnt really care about not having the boat. thats the story. the hull is structurally very sound, just needs some loving. the price was very right, the terms worked for me, and the day i saw/picked up the boat it was rainy cold windy day and wasnt going to mess with it. batterys were so dead i had to jump the hatch actuator under the seat to raise the hatch once i got home. the first time he saw the boat in 3 years was the same time i saw it and he was sick on how bad it was, he got the cockpit totally redone 4 years ago and it already needs to be redone again because the mechanic destroyed it. to be honest, i think he made it sound better than it was, but also i dont think had any idea how bad it was... probably a bit of 50/50. he told me once im done with the boat he wants to go for a ride and has first dibs on buying on LOL

OMG this kid just don't know when enough is enough.. How many lies can come out of one persons mouth? Do you really think anyone on here believes the bullish!t that is spewing from your keyboard? Do You really think we believe people are standing in line with 10's of thousands of dollars to have you build/restore a boat for them? Kid you haven't even finished 1 boat yet... You have been working on the same boat for a year; if I remember correctly you were pretty hyped about making $10,000 when it sells... At the rate your going you will be making $5,000 a year. You have NO Reputation and I seriously doubt anybody is willing to give you money yet.

This whole thread is just comical. Hell some of the people in this thread that like you are having interiors redone.. Are they using you? NOPE. Enough said

There is very few people on OSO I trust to do work for me, and the rate your going you will never be on that list... Ever

Jamie (lil Red) Helps me constantly with my boat.
Glass Dave is going to do some work for me..
Joe (Irwin) for engine builds

As far as upstate powerboats not a chance in hell I would let you near anything I own after seeing your work. Or reading your misleading boarder line criminal sales adds...

Keep it up, that mug shot that was posted earlier of you is going to be your future......

oh man mmb, when i post the photo of the owner and i infront of the boat once its done and delivered is going to be oh so sweet :whistle:

funny you say that your sure no one is willing to use me, i just received another 20 grand check in the mail on friday from the owner. hey, you know whats going on up here in the great white north huh? and yeah, people are willing to give me cash to build their boat, and also willing to give me their boat to paint as well...


oh wait, do i look like an interior guy who does upholstery? and wait, didnt you just buy your first performance boat 2 years ago and your talking like you've been building for years?

Boy do you have a lot to learn about business. You are airing your contract amount on a public forum that happens to be a very small community. You had better hope your buyer/owner whatever the f*ck you want to call him doesn't find out you are telling the masses about the checks he is sending to you (I don't believe anhone has sent you a check for 20k btw). Walk softly and carry a big stick, posts like the one quoted above make you look like an idiot. Good luck on your ventures and I hope you have great success along the way.

no i didnt disclose a contract amount. no one will know what the total number is on this boat other than the buyer and myself. But i should realize i cant win with some of yall, now if i posted a photo of the check even with all the important stuff blurred out, that of course would be poor business. this is exactly the reason why i didnt want this thread to come back.. theres no way to win, so why dont a few of yall just sit back and watch.

You can't win with me because you like to spend your time damaging other peoples property.

Obviously I don't like the way you acquired that Cafe - by ****ing another member out of it.
Obviously I don't like the fact that you've proved yourself as full of **** several times on here (said the boat was sold, then you put it up for sale).
Obviously I don't like the fact that you came on here full of piss and arrogance and that doesn't sit well.

Some of that can be overlooked because of your enthusiasm for powerboating and taking on a big project, but I CAN'T STAND VANDALISM and when you spend your free time throwing stuff off overpasses at peoples cars in an attempt to damage them - that PISSES me off. I have NEVER damaged anyone else's property. Never smashed a mailbox, never keyed a car, never egged anyone's house. I think it is a juvenile, jealous, cowardly thing to do and any member on here who supports you would turn their back on that support instantly if they were the ones driving along in their new F350 or out for a drive in their classic car and got **** thrown on their car.

How about some progress pictures to turn this thread around then?

Show us what you're working on. That's the best way to turn this train wreck you started around.

I was not gonna say anything till this was brought to my attention, you say 650 hp all new parts...... this DOES NOT look like new parts to me.... Phil stop witht he lies.... seriously.... the buyer of the Cafe MUST BE the most uneducated person ever if he is spending 80,000.00 to you for this boat, I am actually flooored about the whole thing and anyone who stands behind you and your work....

Look at this pic, 650 hp? MarkIV block that has not even been decked, let alone NEW as stated.... you said ALL NEW.... and the person took a scotchbrite wheel to the deck of the block, seriously this is the hack of hacks there bud..... and 650 hp? N/A? some serious domes there it looks like so it is not blower friendly, and if it's N/A in a 505CI it's gonne have to spin 6500 rpm to see 650....

I would kill to see the build specs on these engines....

I will take ass beating I am sure for posting again, and told to leave it be, but I ben fukked by hacks, and this winter that is costing me 25,000.00 to fix, so if a few guys here hate me for posting about Phil then so be it, I HATE hacks, he is taking advantage of someone that does not know better, thats how I ended up with chitty engines, they guy took advantage of my buddy that knew nothing, hate me I really don't care... the smart ass comments from Phil seem to get everyone going and I am NOT the only one that should take azz beating from the supporters, I think there are like 2-4 supporters at this point anyway....

Anyone knowing engines can look at this pic and see that it is a disaster waiting to happen....

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GO ahead Biggus and others tell me I am azzhole, I wanna challenge you to let him do a full build for you.... go ahead...

Wait, what?
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ps0123e5c2.jpg

Should run like a scalded flea!

in regards to the motor tim, im not sure on where the power will be made, i am just going per the engine builder on that regard. and your correct, we used some low hour blocks after the blocks we were originally going to purchase had sold out. i said all new before we made this change. of course the owner knows this. and ya, its NA with some big domes, we are not building a blower motor so why build a blower friendly motor if we are not planning on SC'ing it? and seaford guy and vintage, i see you find it comical you keeep bringing it up, and it really just is obnoxious. im sure you wont read this, or tell me i am lying, but 1. i never ever threw anything over an over pass. 2. i never intended to do damage to any vehicle. 3. we were drinking and made a stupid choice. 4. what we did throw, was pieces of corn cobs about the size of a pingpong ball. if you think a piece of corn that small being lobbed out of a corn field will do any damage whatsoever then, well for arguments sake it doesnt matter because we shouldnt have thrown it, but like i said, we had a lapse of judgement out drinking one night, im sure you never done any questionable actions while out drinking right? just let it die. theres nothing new to look at its taken apart waiting for the dash to be done for the new gauges. waiting for motors to be done to button up bilge

Looks like the block is fresh from the machine shop. Whats the RA finish on that deck?

mild, your correct, the block was fresh from the machine shop

80 grit flap wheel

What shop? deck was scotchbrite wheeled... I cannot believe what I see....

this is what a freshly decked block looks like, nice and perfect... square decked pistons to be .010 in the hole...

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He has no idea what "RA" is or why it's important. :angry-smiley-038:

I read the whole thing despite how unreadable it is based on your lack of basic grammar.

I still think your a dip**** for throwing stuff at other peoples property. I rember a couple years ago someone egged our Jaguar and I was pissed and it did leave marks in the paint. A corn cob could do the same.

I've done plenty of dumb**** after a few cocktails but never thought it would be fun to damage others property.

Facts are, I just don't like you, and like most others on here, I know you're full of ****.

315duramax,
Time and again you have struck out while defending your business plans. The smartest thing you could do is to not post on this site until you reach a level of sucess ( or possibly failure).
The exposure you're received here is not good for your business yet you keep posting and keep defending your business plan and you bait or get baited into saying things that as a customer I'd find problematic considering you're selling youself as a professional. Examples :
You don't have a clue regarding props so you come here asking for advice.
You really don't know much about the engines you're having built for your customer.
Finally sorta admitting the paint job was less then acceptable.
You seemed to have gotten outsmarted regarding the Cigarete you bought.

Just curious if your customer is a member on this site? This Teaser thread has been front page news many times over the last 12 months or so I’m surprised the new owner isn’t a member or knows a member who hasn’t chimed in with their thoughts or plans for the boat. When do they plan on taking delivery? I’d think someone with this kind of money to spend rehabbing that unique of a boat would be all over this site, otherwise if they were not into classic Cig’s and high performance and just had money to blow on a boat they’d probably be spending that money on a new SeaRay or something……

lots of people on here got a lot to say, lot of bull sh%t spewing hate for someone. if you cant stand the kid so much then find another forum to post something positive on, i for one, definitely don't want to listen to all of the sarcasm and hate any longer. it's getting mighty old boys. i will vouch for phil on the motor's and the paint. the know the engine builder and he builds some nasty engines (1000-1300hp) stuff. i for one, will have phil do some paint work for me. enough said about his paint skills, i have seen some of his stuff up close and it's very nice. everybody makes mistakes, as long as they fix their wrong doings, let it be. it amazes me how many of you have negative things to say?? i have never said one negative thing to a member about his pride and joy and then carry on about it for 140 pages, wtf. honestly, a few of you need to look into the mirror. i don't care if phil said some stupid sh%t in the past or did sub par work that didn't meet your standards, that only meens he's not for you. move on. sh*t like this makes me not even want to come on here and offer advice or share pictures of my builds, i certainly don't need anyone to tell me what to do and how to do it

Wait, what?


http://33outlaw.zenfolio.com/img/s6/...88937500-4.jpg

Looks Like Rob still BMX`s with bikes to this day.

The guys that have had issues here are mostly old school. Say what you mean and do what you say types. They don't go on about how awesome they are. If they do post a picture of their work, its usually amazing - and they usually apologize for it not being their best effort. They don't believe that it doesn't matter because it's just the internet. Most have also had the misfortune of being screwed and don't want to see fellow boaters end up in the same predicament.

I saw the pics of the Café paint job and it was not of the highest quality. Maybe Phil made all of his mistakes on the first job and now he is the best boat painter around.

The best thing Phil could do for himself is stay off the internet and get busy, and have his customers post pictures of his quality work.

Not quite a mug shot but, I'll own that. 1986 was a good year for me! :angry-smiley-038:
After the two nasty Pm's you sent me yesterday, I fully expected you to start Internet stalking me.
Looks like I was right on the money.

:cartman:

the quadangle as it sits today:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...roombmx005.jpg

I`m just looking for a good reason from you why you insist on posting that pic over and over?
You don`t own a Cig but you feel for some reason to come to this forum and post in a thread you are not involved in and embarrass Phil. Why? What has he done to you?

Have you really lived an exemplary life where you never did anything dumb?


p.s. you use the same username, 2 minutes on google is 'internet stalking'?

I post that pic because it's absolutely hilarious.
The cigarette forum is a public forum and I can post on any thread in the forum I wish.
Phil has proven himself to be a foolish person and shady at best. That makes him fair game.as long as he keeps bull$hitting the membership here, I'll continue to post as I see fit.
I've done my fair share of dumb $hit. No doubt about that.
And yes, searching the net to try to find something on me is stalking and a bit strange but, not unexpected.

Well Rob K. if it`s absolutely hilarious , I may have to actually have to do some real internet stalking and find something equally as hilarious and see how funny you find it. After all , it`s not unexpected so why not.

Kevin, he is painting the sides of a boat WHITE for you, I really am shocked you are letting him, you know the cafe was not done right, if you think so I would be surprised..... as far as the engines, the decks are clearly scotchbrite pad cleaned, I am even more floored you think thats ok...wow very surprised you guys back him and his work... good luck on that, no engine builder does that...


I will let it go I guess before I get another azz beating.... but WOW the support for hackwork makes for bad storys on OSO later....

Call a spade a spade and a hack a hack. And if he gets all the money for the hack job it will be an expensive learning experience for the guy that buys it. And yes I do not have a cig....thanks oh ya and your family is broke. ...hahaha

IMO, this thread has more than run its course. Lock it and toss the key...

Yes let's hide the hack work so nobody can see that it continues, great idea... If he changed and was doing better work I would agree.