possibly #6s 38 Top Gun
 

I have seen several threads on this but my question is... is it worth it going to #6s? ... besides the cost.

I have a 90 gun that started off life as a TRS Hawk Supercharged boat and 2 years ago I converted it to a Bravo boat/H.P 500s
Now I have both motors out for upgrades ( going to Blown509s /750+) transom assemblies are out as well. .. I know the Bravos will be short lived.

found a deal on some wet sump #6s or go with boxes and XRs


so the gears are turning.

If you can swing the cost of 6's, buy them. Their is no question that they are much stronger than xr's. It comes down to a few things:

1. How long do you plan to keep the boat
2. Cost not only in the 6's but also cost to convert
3. Where do you boat (ocean or lake)

You'll never get your money back on 6's but that's irrelevent if you plan to keep the boat a while.

This isn't a debate. Wet 6's all the way I wouldn't even consider xr's

I agree there's no question if you can swing it, install the 6's. However, like most custom / aftermarket / upgrades / etc., you wont get your money back out. So it comes down to having piece of mind that you can nail the sticks in 6 footers holding a martini in your right hand and never worry about blowing a drive. ;) ... I.E. The upgrade would be for YOUR benifit.

Thanks for the input. ... and I can't really swing the cost, However it will most probably happen anyways (slowly)

Not looking to sell it... its now like good furniture.
As far as boating locations... lakes, rivers and the most poker runs possible... last year I got in 6.

the drive cost are not too terribly bad, it's those freeking transom assemblies that are ridiculous

Friend converted his a few years ago
Loves it, besides piece off mind, it handles
Like a freight train on rails.


Said he would never go with less drive
Ever again.

Jon

With that horsepower, why not switch to scx w imco transom assemblies., youre good to 1000-1100 hp. less of a paint to rig and set up.

Transom assembly is still only so big, not sure i'd want 1100 hp hooked up and leveraged through the small bravo style t/a.

I would bet the wet 6's are cheaper than new scx's. What everyone's opinion on the wet 6's? How much power do they rob verses dry 6's

Enough to keep them from breaking

Without digging, I believe the number is 60-65hp loss and XRs were 35ish

Imco transom assembly is thicker than a Merc Hp, lots of guys running them on big HP boats, I'll be running them on my Tiger...

Compare it to a #6 gimbal ring and let me know about that. While it is a good piece and a great upgrade let's compare the 2.

the cost is the equalizer, for the cost of one 6 and transom assembly he could have a reliable pkg and be on the water. Not to mention the test time, props, transmissions or crash boxes, re rigging etc. Then look at the cost to rebuild 6's, regardless of how strong they are they need to be rebuild and then on top of all of that the parasitic drag of running a wet 6 compared to an scx is astronomical. So you/he can sit around and keep saving (he said cost was an issue) or go boating. doesn't matter to me, used 6 or brand new scx... I know where I spent my money.

ARNESON. Since you have Bravo's on it now,just bolt the Arnesons on and go. Oh yea you will pick up 5-10 mph with same power.

Out of curiosity, whats the ball park price for arnesons bolt on to bravo replacement, Is it really just bolt on?

I believe the bravo conversion is 25 a side.

Nice thing about SCXs is you could easily swap back to bravos when you sell.

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and it looks like This!

Do NOT waste your money on boxes and XRs! Your better off running what you have for a summer or sitting out a summer while you save up for the proper drive.

Since you need transom assemblys the BEST bang for the buck is the Arneson ASD7 bravo conversion. Its really a no brainer, and a great value.

Comes with
Drives
Extension boxes
Transmissions (housed inside box)
New hydraulic steering
New trim ram cylinders
Etc.

Next choice ssmV. The #5 is a great drive and the used price is reasonable.

Can't go wrong with a #6, but if wet sump your not gaining much over the #5. Resale value will be the best of all options but the Arenson would be all NEW parts for about the same money not needing any rebuilds for ten times the length of time a used set of drives would need.

SCX is not economical when buying all new parts. By the time you add new transom assemblies, boxes, steering, trim, etc the cost is MORE then an arneson with less performance. Don't get me wrong great product for the guy with a newer xr boat that only needs scx drive, helmet, fluid resovoir.

Recap....

Arneson
SsmV
SsmVI
SCX

That is pretty spot on with the direction Frick was thinking through and actually went with..... :)

I disagree wholeheartedly. Even with transom assemlies your under 35k for both. If you already have external steering for the bravos that can be reused, im reusing mine.

Agree- I was under $35K for everything. Only had to modify tie-bar -I think- Not even positive about that. Unfortunately B.Smith is not with us anymore to ask.

Agreed, Im under 30k and that's because i want to use my xr lowers.

It's really simple....

TOP GUN + #6's hanging off the backside.......it's like being the guy with the chick with the hottest A$& on the dock.....

Just sayin'

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Dry Sump Sixes. Period. Next question.

Have you seen this graffiti before ?:popcorn:

Couple pics, One as it was being Converted, the other complete

THATS WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT!!!! THAT CAME OUT GREAT!!! Especially in the blue color :Score-101010:

JOE27BAJA - The reliability of wet sump 6's is well worth it if you can swing it - the HP loss for pushing them really isn't an issue for the dependability gained - plus you can add a $h*t ton of power to them and still sleep at night ....with your new 750hp's, you may just get good at rebuilding XR's = $$$. Go with the deal on the wet-sumps and you won't regret it.

Years ago I had a 38 Formula with 600hp's in it and "fresh" TRS's (that shouldn't have more than 500hp pushing them - ever IMO)...broke 3 "weak-side" starboard lowers in a month the last summer I had it. I swore I never wanted drive problems again in any boat I ever owned......PROBLEM SOLVED!!! :evilb:

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