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ICDEDPPL 07-25-2022 06:52 PM

Cigarette adventure (new transoM and #6 conversion)
 
Figured I`d start a new thread.

Still waiting on drives, 5 months now, lost count on the "they`ll be done next week":mad:
All they needed a couple of bearings and reconditioned propshafts.
so I continue to install stuff on sundays cause pretty much every weekend here is **** (but beautiful during the week when I have to work)

Not sure how it took me 6hrs to install the lights but here we are.
I rather enjoy the rigging part of this project.
at 15,000 lumens combined these lights are BRIGHT!!!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...647130a9e2.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...af4559a735.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...621d73816f.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...48466a72ed.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a519994750.jpg
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ICDEDPPL 07-25-2022 06:59 PM

got myself a little helper for them 275# drives.



https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3da10bb6c1.jpg

boatfreak 07-25-2022 09:24 PM

Man your engines are a work of art and the blower belt is just another example of the detail in this thing.

Helmwurst 07-26-2022 06:52 AM

Where did you get those harness clamps and brackets?

ICDEDPPL 07-26-2022 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Helmwurst (Post 4839570)
Where did you get those harness clamps and brackets?

https://www.tmrcustoms.com/products/...ie-tab-50-pack

and the rubber cushioned . reusable zip ties..

https://www.tmrcustoms.com/collectio...-lock-ties-red




https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b8647860b4.jpg

bigboat28 07-26-2022 09:43 AM

What lights are those?

Rick G 07-26-2022 02:00 PM

Dan let me understand this . it took you 6 hours to install the 2 underwater lights in the photo . I am assuming you used a late 1800"s Amish hand drill to bore the holes and pitch to water seal on installation . Next time reach out I will be happy to help out . I am not sure when electricity was invented but I have an electric hand drill I would happy to lend you for future projects . it might speed the completion time up by 50% or more . Your Friend Rick G.

ICDEDPPL 07-26-2022 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Rick G (Post 4839632)
Dan let me understand this . it took you 6 hours to install the 2 underwater lights in the photo . I am assuming you used a late 1800"s Amish hand drill to bore the holes and pitch to water seal on installation . Next time reach out I will be happy to help out . I am not sure when electricity was invented but I have an electric hand drill I would happy to lend you for future projects . it might speed the completion time up by 50% or more . Your Friend Rick G.

I think that would be a great help ! i`ll send my horse and rider to your location to pick up said electric tools.

SMALLBOAT69 :

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9fb7616391.jpg



jeff32 07-26-2022 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4839530)
got myself a little helper for them 275# drives.



https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3da10bb6c1.jpg

wow... my TRS were right up at 110 lbs if i am not mistaken... those drives are really heavy !

seafordguy 07-26-2022 07:09 PM

How to make a big block Chevy look dimensionally small: stack a huge intake, massive cooler, and big ass blower on top. Seriously, the block looks so small.....

ICDEDPPL 08-10-2022 07:20 PM

Mounted tabs vertically but they only went as high as level with hull.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b890b5362f.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f56ace95bf.jpg

ICDEDPPL 08-10-2022 07:22 PM

So after some facebook discussions where half said fine, others said no bueno I gave em a little more lift.
Can`t hurt.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8149a00eff.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a035af0cb2.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...eb0237f7e4.jpg

BBYSTWY 08-11-2022 10:55 AM

Good lord here we go again hahaha. Looking amazing as always Dan! Probably missed the thread as I haven't been on here in awhile, but what happened with the motors? Saw you were selling your heads and obviously they are out for the drive change but are you going bigger with those too??

thisistank 08-11-2022 12:44 PM

Those tabs look bad azz!!

1Zoom 08-11-2022 03:30 PM

Tank, PM me. Thanks

hogie roll 08-11-2022 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4841154)
So after some facebook discussions where half said fine, others said no bueno I gave em a little more lift.
Can`t hurt.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8149a00eff.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a035af0cb2.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...eb0237f7e4.jpg

been going through the same, but thankfully they came with multiple holes.

I ended up with them level, I like how responsive they are and the ability to stuff the bow. However I’m not sure if they are touching when running wot, on the one hand my boat should be standing up on the pad. But if it has some angle to it, I could see how they might be touching the water.

I also like level because it gives me some effective tab down when planing off with out having to do anything.

Wally 08-12-2022 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4841154)
So after some facebook discussions where half said fine, others said no bueno

I'd be curious why they thought it was not good...i see nothing wrong with it. The tabs are under the greatest stress when they are forced down into the water. The cylinder is trying to get pushed pack into itself at that point. All the stress is on the side of the bolt that trying to push it back in. You have tons of meat on that backbone you drilled....id be more worried if the old hole was on the other side of how its mounted right now as it would weaken the surrounding area when its getting pushed on.

ICDEDPPL 08-12-2022 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 4841251)
Those tabs look bad azz!!

Izoom Mike did a fantastic jobs on them !!

Old vs. new
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...5b127cc49a.jpg



ICDEDPPL 08-12-2022 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Wally (Post 4841357)
I'd be curious why they thought it was not good...i see nothing wrong with it. The tabs are under the greatest stress when they are forced down into the water. The cylinder is trying to get pushed pack into itself at that point. All the stress is on the side of the bolt that trying to push it back in. You have tons of meat on that backbone you drilled....id be more worried if the old hole was on the other side of how its mounted right now as it would weaken the surrounding area when its getting pushed on.

Some responses:


I played with my tabs & trim for over an hour one day, with trim angles & tab angles. Never once did having the tabs level, ever scrub speed. There’s no reason to have them higher than neutral/level with the bottom. Just an extension of the hull at that point.

I never ran my tabs above neutral so I’d think you’d be fine as it sits. I can’t really think of a reason to be above flat unless you’re looking for the last .5 mph and that’s such a small window of operation.

n
For cruising its probably fine but all out speed it wont release the suction and will cause some drag.

]Scott Rutherford
To all that say flat is fine!!
NO ITS NOT

well, I ran a few boats in my life (I think), and even if water isn’t there… air is
It won’t work.
If it works for you then maybe your boat just isn’t fast enough? Not trying to sound negative, I don’t know your boat.
But a 38 cig that runs over 75-80 mph should not have tabs level in a turn or when it’s not more the. 2-3 foot seas!
I rig and set up and modify all kinds of boats and test them and dial them in.
Again, I don’t know your boat, but just because the apple tree grows in your yard, don’t mean it would grow in his!
Anyway it was no big deal to go higher.. and now they are adjustable. Big heavy Cig with 1000# engines and 1200# of drives that transom will be heavy .

Wally 08-12-2022 11:59 AM

got it....Well just me thinking out loud here...i can see keeping them dead level as an extension of the hull....(assuming the tabs stop exactly dead level each time and ive never seen a pair do that yet) Otherwise it would be an interesting experiment to see at what speeds the tabs stop contacting the water if they are kept level....(assuming yours are mounted 3/4"-1" above the bottom of the boat) My guess is they would always contact at least on the last parts of the tips no matter how fast you can go. So if that's the case it would affect the nose up/down adjustability of the boat somewhat. Raising them higher allows you to possibly be able to raise the nose of the boat higher not having the drag of the tab trying to force it down....i see it as a win either way :)

1Zoom 08-19-2022 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4841372)
Izoom Mike did a fantastic jobs on them !!

Old vs. new
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...5b127cc49a.jpg

Thanks Dan, glad you like them. Hopefully they will work well.

ICDEDPPL 08-22-2022 10:02 AM

Got a friend picking up drives after the shootout so those are next ...
Both transom assemblies are in, had to get the red hydraulic lines of course , and inside work continues.
Engine parts all ready to go , just need to find a builder ..
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d369370ce4.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...ea27f9561c.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7f59e517f6.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8ae0e9bd65.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6e74a73034.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...03ff24f47a.jpg

cheech 08-22-2022 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4842319)
Engine parts all ready to go , just need to find a builder ..

Thought you were already set up with someone?
Change of mind or they busy?

Rick G 08-22-2022 02:35 PM

Damn you do nice work Dan . Cheers RG.

ICDEDPPL 08-22-2022 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by cheech (Post 4842321)
Thought you were already set up with someone?
Change of mind or they busy?

Old cranky dude kept pissing me off with his negativity and bs so after a 7 months I went and got all my stuff and told him to F off.

F-2 Speedy 08-22-2022 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4842371)
Old cranky dude kept pissing me off with his negativity and bs so after a 7 months I went and got all my stuff and told him to F off.

lol..........what about Mike Tkach, or was he the old crusty dude you told to F off...........:lolhit:

ICDEDPPL 08-22-2022 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Rick G (Post 4842358)
Damn you do nice work Dan . Cheers RG.

Not as nice as you buddy!!
Side bar, unless I lifted the front of the boat 5' off the ground my bilge would never drain completely, I had a vacuum on standby after every weekend to get the water out .
I added a 3rd bilge but I also filled those low spots with epoxy so hopefully no more water sitting in the bilge messing with my OCD.


ICDEDPPL 08-22-2022 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4842372)
lol..........what about Mike Tkach, or was he the old crusty dude you told to F off...........:lolhit:

Tic tack is going thru a nasty divorce he`s been locked out of his own shop.

cheech 08-23-2022 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4842372)
lol..........what about Mike Tkach, or was he the old crusty dude you told to F off...........:lolhit:

I worried that same thing. LOL


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4842374)
Tic tack is going thru a nasty divorce he`s been locked out of his own shop.

Damn that sucks! What a shame!



PROP STAR 08-29-2022 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4842319)
Got a friend picking up drives after the shootout so those are next ...
Both transom assemblies are in, had to get the red hydraulic lines of course , and inside work continues.
Engine parts all ready to go , just need to find a builder ..
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d369370ce4.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...ea27f9561c.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7f59e517f6.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8ae0e9bd65.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6e74a73034.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...03ff24f47a.jpg

Randy @ Precision in Plainfield , his attention to detail is like yours .

ICDEDPPL 08-30-2022 11:32 AM

He`s usually pretty expensive as in sometimes double, I stopped in to get an estimate in case his prices have dropped but haven`t heard back.

SecondWind 08-30-2022 12:42 PM

Have you ever dealt w/ Powersource Racing Engines? I saw a boat
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...038286f97c.jpg
at Grandsportcenter recently w/ some of their engines and was really impressed with the rigging detail. They are local which is nice.

SB 08-30-2022 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4842374)
Tic tack is going thru a nasty divorce he`s been locked out of his own shop.

Ahhh, that sucks dolphin balls. Tell’m we said hi.

ICDEDPPL 08-30-2022 02:58 PM

Turns out Randy at PER isn`t that bad anymore $2500/engine to assemble long block.

You guys ever hear of Wolfe engines in Steger.
Wolf Engines

guy is a boater ..

I have not dealt with power source.

ICDEDPPL 08-30-2022 07:59 PM

Finally back , Like brand new. woohoo.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d04b39d1e9.jpg
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Rick G 09-02-2022 04:23 PM

Dan, just a thought . With all that additional weight hanging off the back end you may want to check the tongue weight of the trailer before you do any highway towing. Would not want that work of art to get squirrelly on you at speed. Cheers RG

ICDEDPPL 09-03-2022 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Rick G (Post 4843722)
Dan, just a thought . With all that additional weight hanging off the back end you may want to check the tongue weight of the trailer before you do any highway towing. Would not want that work of art to get squirrelly on you at speed. Cheers RG

yes sir , I moved the boat forward and relocated the bunks to support it properly so it doesn`t develop a hook..

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...65268903c2.jpg

ICDEDPPL 09-03-2022 09:02 AM

Made some progress yesterday... it is nice taking my time not being rushed .

got one hung, 5' from transom , 2.5" above bottom.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...ad31a8b3d1.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a2a9437f7b.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...0ea4174f6e.jpg
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Helmwurst 09-04-2022 08:19 AM

Post #35. I'll bet that while you were dragging those behind your work truck, people were wondering what kind of furnace those were!

ICDEDPPL 09-06-2022 05:36 PM

Both on
Realized the indicators are now reversed operation vs the 5s
So I will have to re program my brain .


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...86a1134305.jpg


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