Gladiator questions
12-24-2003, 05:55 PM
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Gladiator questions
I am currently the owner of a 32 fountain with big power. I have been waiting in the wings to see how the Gladiator turns out since I loved the proportions immediately. I have questions for gladiator owners or those really in the know. I am new to this forum, please forgive me if I am repeating questions.
1)Which is better, staggered or side by side? Yes i have read about the small cockpit and docking, what about performance? Is the windscreen in the same location on both or further forward on the staggered?
2) Does the lack of a rubrail create stress and grief at the dock? Have any of you added one to protect the hull sides?
3)It appears that several dealers are listing boats with upgraded power and expensive paint in the 220-250K range. Dick Simon sold a sweet 525 efi boat for what I believe was 205-210K. Do these numbers reflect the true market for this boat and therefore give me a starting point when I contact a dealer? I want to order one to my tastes BTW.
4) There is not a dealer in my area (Seattle) can OR should I deal factory direct?
Your input would be greatly appreciated!
1)Which is better, staggered or side by side? Yes i have read about the small cockpit and docking, what about performance? Is the windscreen in the same location on both or further forward on the staggered?
2) Does the lack of a rubrail create stress and grief at the dock? Have any of you added one to protect the hull sides?
3)It appears that several dealers are listing boats with upgraded power and expensive paint in the 220-250K range. Dick Simon sold a sweet 525 efi boat for what I believe was 205-210K. Do these numbers reflect the true market for this boat and therefore give me a starting point when I contact a dealer? I want to order one to my tastes BTW.
4) There is not a dealer in my area (Seattle) can OR should I deal factory direct?
Your input would be greatly appreciated!
12-24-2003, 07:34 PM
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12-24-2003, 10:33 PM
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Thanks Cigarrette 1, I read the thread and it was helpful. If any one has more information regarding my questions I would appreciate that too!
12-25-2003, 06:00 AM
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2112,
Here is another thread with some information,
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...threadid=60773
D.Simon had the blue one listed at $200k must of sold somewhat under $200k from what I read.
There is one at Pier 57 Also could be had for under $200k
http://www.fountainusa.com/gladiator.htm
Phil has one with Sterlings 750's listed for $259k
http://www.lipshipperformance.com/pr.../Glad2003.html
Here are the list prices for new I have heard that you can discount those prices significantly, but my days of buying new boats are in the past so I do not know first hand how much. I have heard about deals on different models around 20% under but take this with a grain of salt since it is second hand.
Drives Bravo I ITS-XR
36 Gladiator (Staggered) 500 EFI-$314,743 /525 EFI-$329,446 / 575 SCI-$370,777
You might want to do a search here and on googles with "Cigarette Gladiator and 36" as keyword and spend a few hours digging around. Nothing beats being informed.
Hope this helps,
G.L.
Here is another thread with some information,
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...threadid=60773
D.Simon had the blue one listed at $200k must of sold somewhat under $200k from what I read.
There is one at Pier 57 Also could be had for under $200k
http://www.fountainusa.com/gladiator.htm
Phil has one with Sterlings 750's listed for $259k
http://www.lipshipperformance.com/pr.../Glad2003.html
Here are the list prices for new I have heard that you can discount those prices significantly, but my days of buying new boats are in the past so I do not know first hand how much. I have heard about deals on different models around 20% under but take this with a grain of salt since it is second hand.
Drives Bravo I ITS-XR
36 Gladiator (Staggered) 500 EFI-$314,743 /525 EFI-$329,446 / 575 SCI-$370,777
You might want to do a search here and on googles with "Cigarette Gladiator and 36" as keyword and spend a few hours digging around. Nothing beats being informed.
Hope this helps,
G.L.
12-25-2003, 06:04 AM
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Here is a quote regarding performance and comparaison between Staggered and side by side;
Originally posted by Jeffrey
The blue Gladiator is the one from DSM. My good friend Mike bought it. We delivered it to Havasu for its maiden voyage.
In most cases you will lose 2-3 mph on fresh water versus salt water due to the buoyancy factor. My Gladiator with the twin 500EFIs side by side saw 86.8 on the GPS in Havasu. Mike's Gladiator with the twin 525EFIs staggered ran 89 on GPS in Havasu - 2.2mph faster.
I have yet to find ideal water on the ocean to really trim the boat and run it flat out. I suspect that it will run close to 89mph on the ocean. Mike's boat should run in the low 90's - maybe 91-92.
The blue Gladiator is the one from DSM. My good friend Mike bought it. We delivered it to Havasu for its maiden voyage.
In most cases you will lose 2-3 mph on fresh water versus salt water due to the buoyancy factor. My Gladiator with the twin 500EFIs side by side saw 86.8 on the GPS in Havasu. Mike's Gladiator with the twin 525EFIs staggered ran 89 on GPS in Havasu - 2.2mph faster.
I have yet to find ideal water on the ocean to really trim the boat and run it flat out. I suspect that it will run close to 89mph on the ocean. Mike's boat should run in the low 90's - maybe 91-92.
12-25-2003, 06:07 AM
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Im waiting for my son to get up so here you go some more while digging around!
http://typhoonperformancemarine.com/cigarette.htm
Boat test, looks like Jeff's boat:
http://www.boattest.com/general-info.aspx?ID=226
http://typhoonperformancemarine.com/cigarette.htm
Boat test, looks like Jeff's boat:
http://www.boattest.com/general-info.aspx?ID=226
12-25-2003, 09:49 AM
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Wow, thanks GLH. I do just want as much information as possible before I talk the talk.
I have owned nothing but new and for many reasons know why you might not want to go that route. My fountain, which was custom ordered, was a huge disappointment on the QC issues. I believe Cigarrette is better on that front.
I am always a little nervous that a used boat has been abused and either not readily apparent or blatantly hidden.
I will try the digging you have suggested. Thanks again!
I have owned nothing but new and for many reasons know why you might not want to go that route. My fountain, which was custom ordered, was a huge disappointment on the QC issues. I believe Cigarrette is better on that front.
I am always a little nervous that a used boat has been abused and either not readily apparent or blatantly hidden.
I will try the digging you have suggested. Thanks again!
12-25-2003, 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by 2112
I am always a little nervous that a used boat has been abused and either not readily apparent or blatantly hidden.
I am always a little nervous that a used boat has been abused and either not readily apparent or blatantly hidden.
I could only afford new boats when I was broke!
Not that I am far from that now!The new ones listed at Typhoone are at $259K and list is $330k that's 70k of the MSRP around 21% less about what I had heard.
Good Luck in your search.
Last edited by GLH; 12-25-2003 at 10:36 AM.
12-26-2003, 12:16 PM
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I have a 2003 Lip-Ship edition canopied Gladiator with less than 100 hours total time on it. I'll let it go for around 200K. I am leaning towards selling it because I have decided not to race next year and I already have another boat for pleasure/poker runs. The Gladiator has fully staggered 500EFIs, ITS drives and all the bells and whistles from Lip-Ship. Add some air conditioning and a nice stereo and it would be a great poker run or pleasure boat. Send me a PM if you have any interest or if you want any more pics or info.
