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I think it was Lucky Strike that posted...
"In the Cafe Racer & Top Gun model they made several different layups. Fiberglass (heaviest), Kevlar (less heavy), Carbon Fiber (least heaviest). Between 1989-1991 they also made a "Pro Series" and a "Platinum Series"
I looked at a Top Gun this last weekend that had "Pro Series" on the side. What was special about this boat?
Since the boat I fantasized about was sold, (30 Mystique custom made for Enrique Eglasies), I found a VERY close second. Now if I can just talk him down about $43k...
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/0/3/74186303.htm
SWOOOON !!!!

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The "Pro Series" & "Platinum Series" were options in those few years (1989-1991).

I would assume the "Pro Series" was the red paint scheme like Cignifcant's Cafe Racer below. Not sure what kind of engines it came with.

I know for sure, that the "Platinum Series" in 1991 was the paint scheme and the Hawk blower motors.

The lighter layups (Kevlar or Carbon Fiber) had nothing to do with the "Pro Series" or "Platinum Series." Our Gun happens to be Carbon Fiber.

....and come on those were easy questions! ;)

LS JR.

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So you can get me the step 30 Mystique for under a Hundo? :o

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almost bought that boat did test it though... awsome

130k was were i was at.... last year!!!
w/ 80 more hrs id say 125k..

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Wow! I was just joking. Didn't know anyone was actually familiar with the boat. In fact, give me a call sometime. I've got lots of other questions about the Mystique.
I got the distinct impression that Phil Lipship thinks anyone wanting anything less than a 35 isn't all there and doesn't really want to waste his time on those people. I'm sure a lot agree with him. HeII, I don't exactly disagree with him. And I understand that for the same money I could find a nice Top Gun, but then I would also be in the market for a 1 ton truck, a larger shop, slower speed/bigger power etc... So, that "same money" suddenly becomes a buttload more in "other expenses". And lets face it, the Ozarks is nothing for a Gun, or even a Cafe'.
Maybe I'm somewhat hung-up on a Mystique now, but I don't want to be buried and upside down for the next 12 years and I'm sure I'll want to trade up in the future, (when I'm old and speed doesn't matter as much).

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Almost 1:30am and I'm still awake thinking about these freakin boats.
Pathetic... :rolleyes:

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There are a few Cafe's on boatrader online that look within your parameters.

I had not looked at what was for sale in that range but they seem to have gone up in price a bit compared to when I was shopping for my Cafe. I'd say up about 10k on the whole.

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That twin-step 30 looks awesome, Gordo!
That would make a nice ride.

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That boat was flipped about 3-4 weeks ago. The only Mystiques you will find under $100 will be non step models. The stepped version was fairly rare since the Mystique was only in production for a short time. Not many were made before they were discontinued.

Phil probably was looking down the road for you in terms of your resale and enjoyment. The Mystiques weren't a great seller because most folks in market for a 30ft boat, couldn't justify the price of the Mystique. For the price of a brand new Mystique T/S, many could go buy a bigger boat from a different manufacturer for the same money. Granted it wouldnt be a Cigarette, but $$ is $$ for many.

If you do buy a Mystique, get the stepped version if possible. MUCH more performance and much better ride. The non steps tend to porpose without using tab.

Both versions are a solid boat, as you would expect. :cool:

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So whats the price now that it's been flipped ? Was it damaged ?

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He beat me to it.
So???

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A) Who said it's for sale?
B) Why would you want a boat that has been under water? I'd rather pay more for one that has been right side up always.

LS JR.

PS-Gordo, I sent you a PM.

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I don't know gordo, this looks like it'd be right up your alley. Even though it's not stepped. I think they're asking right around 80k for it. BajaDaze looked at it or spoke to Craig about it....One or the other.

http://www.tmoffshore.com/BOATSALE/214cg/214cg.htm

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I doubt it's even for sale. I'm fairly sure that the new owner is the one involved with the accident. I saw the picture of it bobbing nose up hooked to a winch. Flipped boats tend to have some damage. :rolleyes: ;)

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I TALKED TO TRES ABOUT THIS BOAT, HE SAID THE BOAT HAS BEEN FIXED AND 100K WOULD BE THE NEW NUMBER WITHOUT A TRAILER AND AROUND 400HOURS. ALSO THE T/S BOAT , I HAVE ALSO LOOKED INTO THIS ALSO WITH HARRY AT OFFSHORE PRE. AND THE NUMBER WAS AROUND 136K. 135HOURS. THIS BOAT SHOULD GO FOR AROUND 125K. 496HO WITH STANDARD BRAVOS.

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But, it's not a step boat and their asking $83k last time I saw it. I saw the boat by a place a friend has a retail car lot. If it's there tomorrow, I'll check it out :cool:

LS JR.

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others have looked at this boat and every one said the same thing, that it was very rough. high hours and who ever had this boat didnt take care of it at all. i talked to tres today , he said 100k is the number, the 82k price was wrong. have a nice day..............................

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for $20K more you can have a real clean 38.

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that mystique was not flipped... it was the t575 mystique that flipped


that 496HO boat is awsome!!!! ride is awsome....80 mph on gps
only 4 t/s mystiques made
8 none step

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dreamer, you are correct, the only problem is the price. the 496boat is over priced about 10-15k...........................................

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Well, if the straight bottom Mystique with 425HP (?) is 100K and you can buy the T/S Mystique for 130ish, which would you buy?!?!?

LS JR.

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take a look at Lucky Strikes's boat.................

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The boat was in pretty good shape(structurally) when I went to look at it, but it was really rough around the edges. It looked like there was never a cover placed on it and it just sat in the FL sun for 3 years. All the vinyl and stitching had very little color left, the vinyl was dry, and there was some damage to the port side aft portion of the boat, all cosmetic though, nothing that couldn't be fixed. A few light bulbs were burnt out, a few switches were bad, the dash throttles were corroded, the trim pump which lifted the hatch was leaking under the back seat and on the cockpit floor, but like I said, a little TLC and a couple weekends of elbow grease and she would be in good shape. Nonetheless, it was still a solid boat and I almost has a contract for it, Tres was asking 82K back then. I guess now that it's fixed, it's worth 20K more...

In any event, the motors looked good and I saw the overhaul work order. The work was done by TNT Custom Marine to the tune of about 21K, the the motors should be fresh and ready to go.

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Enriques boat had 575's, that were tuned up. I've only seen the boat 20 times or so though, what do I know.

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SO WHERE IS THE ENRIQUES BOAT NOW?

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I haven't seen it in awhile.

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nice looking channel marker.

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ITS THE STEPS.........................................

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I heard that boat was totalled by the insurance co.

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So The Question Is; Does Someone Need To Have Steps On A 30 Foot Boat. I Could See If Was 40 Foot+ , But 30 May Not Need Steps. Yes It Will Be Faster 3-4mph, But Were Are Talking Safety............................................ ......have A Nice Day.

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Gordo,

Raymonds still has a new Non Step 30 with 377 scorps you might make an offer on. I don't know if Charlen is ready to part with it but its been on the lot for 3 or 4 years now.

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VB,
Looked at it last weekend. I think she wants to deal on it, but I'd like to have the power.
Scott, having been in and raced a number of boats with and without steps, I agree that step bottom boats don't turn like a conventional V and are less forgiving. However, if you know this up front and learn/respect the limits of the boat, this should not be a problem. In racing we push to the edge, but when out cruising around, why does anyone need to turn that hard?
As for the flipped Mystique, I believe Dreamer thought someone was saying it was the pictured 496 boat that flipped.
Ok, so if the Enrique 575 boat was totaled, I'm curious. Where is it now, and how can I find out who has it with what damage?
Nick, I'm thinking the one that Tres is offering didn't gain 20k in value when they kept saying that Dave Hunter could fix everything for $2500 or so. That boat has still had a hard life.
It's becoming obvious that the resale of the 30 Mystique pretty much sucks. Since I'm weight and length limited, maybe I would be better off looking at another brand. I wouldn't be a Cigarette owner, but at least I'd be saving some money up front.
I'll be on the road for the next 11 or 12 days racing Milwaukee and the Reggie race in NC, so I'll have plenty of windshield time to think about stuff.

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gordo, so what would be a good number for the mystique with 377. i think it should being around 125k with the trailer, now if it had bigger power say 500efi 145-155k. the last mystique that sold that i know about is a 01 non step with 500efis around 150hours sold for 145k; not bad for a 31 foot boat with good power and the cigarette name. have a nice day

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I've come to the same realization...that's why I'm shying away from the 30's.

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why is that, the mystique is a great boat. it all goes back to, you get what you pay for. if someone was looking for; lets say a 33 foot baja with 500efis and xr drives, 01-02 in new cond. the price would be around 140-150k. so would someone want a cigarette or a baja for almost the same price. thats my point. the cigaette will hold it value much better in the long run......

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You are on the right track in your thinking. The only comment I will continue to disagree with, is the step issue. If someone is not competent or patient enough to learn how to properly drive a stepped boat, they have no business behind the wheel of a straight either. I've had 4 Straights and one Step. The stepped boat outperforms the straights by a large margin.

They are just as safe as a straight, but faster! FASTER is why they are more prone to an accident. Take a straight bottom that runs 90+ and crank the wheel, just wear your kill switches. Some people don't need to go 80+ mph. Check your ego at the door and listen to people with tons more seat time. They are WAY faster than 3-4 mph over a straight. Although, most with an opinion have never even been in a stepped boat, much less driven one. :rolleyes:

I gave by buddy Kevin of Midwest Powerboats his first ride in a stepped Cig. He is now shopping for one. :cool:

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your statements a correct, but the t/s mystique with 500efis runs right at 85mph. the straight bottom is right at 81mph. so that only 4mph. yes if the boat is 38+ feet i think you need steps; but on a 30 I'm not so sure. also if you run at cruise speed around 45-55 the bottoms are the same, its only the top end that makes the faster speeds with the air getting under the hull. so saying all that if 4-5 mph is the deal someone does not need to buy a cigarette they need a cat. i hope I'm making scene.

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[QUOTE=. also if you run at cruise speed around 45-55 the bottoms are the same, its only the top end that makes the faster speeds with the air getting under the hull. so saying all that if 4-5 mph is the deal someone does not need to buy a cigarette they need a cat. i hope I'm making scene.[/QUOTE]


? :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=dreamer]i guess what iam trying to say is why would i need a step bottom if iam only going to run at cruise speed 95% of the time? also, do the steps hold more value?.......................