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Heres a pic i found


Mike

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That's the American Moppie next Canadian Moppie and McKee Jeans.
American Moppie was the second Bertram 31' ever builded,(the first was the Bertram's personal last race- boat ,the My Moppie),in 1967,and drove by the at that time Bertram's chairman Peter Rittmaster.
Since that boat still had the old transmissions,Rittmaster builded a second American Moppie with the stern drives. It was sold in 1970 to Ronny Bonelli and became Mister Charly.

Marco

Some small correction: the American Moppie next Canadian Moppie and McQeen Jeans not McKee was the former Master Moppie in 1967.

Marco

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Furthermore this is a great picture to compare the 31' Bertram with the 36' Cigarette.
The 31' Bertrams was cutting edge before Don Aronow reshuffled the pack with his 32' "The Cigarette" and the 36' that followed.
Here are two photos borrowed from Graham Stevens Library on Boatmad.
They help to highlight the differences between the two hulls and check the innovations in design which basically made that one hull took over the other as the top equipment in offshore racing.

Phil.

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Why does the Bertram have a Cigarette decal?

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Dan Arena was one of if not the first person to achieve 100 mph on the water.

He was an Original "Gold Cup" racer. He had some great stories as well as success.

He build one hull for Howard, raced once. Delaminated the side in the first race. Fast, but a cold molded boat was not the same as it is by today's standards.

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Good question!
It seems that it was a common theme on Tim Powell's boats.
Here is a photo taken at the 1970 Deauville Trophy.
A 'Cigarette Racing team' decal is clearly visible above the name of his previous boat.
Like yourself, I wouldn't mind finding the reason.

Phil.

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Note on the background the second 32' Black Tornado. In the event that one of Cosentino with him race number 89.

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Marco:
Did Balestrieri ever raced #89? I am only asking because all the info I have indicate that Cosentino drove the 31' Bertram 'Red Tornado' on this event. I was there but I didn't have a clue of who was who and what was what at the time.
I was 10 and this was my first taste of Offshore Racing. I thought that the 007 boat belonged to James Bond (sad but true).
Phil.

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i would like to know that as well....my guess is just like now days some brand boats have other boat company boats names on there....like cig has skater as wellmas fountain has skater....can it be because it was layed up by then

Mike

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Hi Phil,I think that in Deauville 1970 raced the two Black Tornado(I have a picture but I must to find and I will post here). Balestrieri raced with the 4 from 1968(it was one of the old race number of D.Aronow) and I think that he didn't against the counter-spell in that event.
About the 007 can console you that thin to today also I think of what something with Bond, James Bond, has to what doing. ...

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Here the two 32' Black tornado in the Deauville Trophy of 1970. Cosentino with the 89 and Balestrieri with the 4.
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8853/deauv70kr5.th.jpg

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Hi guys,how rare is a 36ft Cigarette mould ,talking of the one takern of the Cigarette 32ft that we have just found out was chopped up regards Rob.

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Marco:
Thank you for this picture. One more for my archives.
Do you know its source?

Phil.

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Not really a cig being pulled from a 32' Cary.
NL

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as above but is it of any interest.I have been told Tony Low has one.

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The picture like others came from the Deauville Trophy 1970's article of the contemporary "Nautica" magazine.

Marco

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Very:cool: :cool: , love the lines of the classic boats, plain, simple but very :cool:

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I found a picture that I thought I had lost, so I am sharing it with you.

This is Blonde II driven by Roger Hanks to victory during the 1971 Deauville Trophy at the average speed of 54.3mph.
The weather in the Deauville Race was curiously alternating, calm in odd years and rough in even years.

The black and white picture shows Blonde II fuelling up on the eve of the race. The boat in the middle is Tim Powell's 31 Bertram 'American Moppie'. It will finish second, 3 minutes behind the Texan. The boat closest to the tanker is 'Hot Bovril', a 34' Souter(designed by Don Shead) and driven by Dave Bassett. It finished 4th.

Phil.

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Hi Phil,the colors photo I believe was of Beken taken during the CTC of the same year. That first year of race for Hanks was the best one winning at Deauville that in Key West in November.
It would like to know the true about the possible existence of a 36' Blonde I in 1971.
Crouse on its Searace speaks that before the Miami-Nassau race of October 1971 a Blonde gone destroyed during the transport in an incident in the freeway and Hanks raced with the Blonde II that he used in the races in Europe that year.
But I have not never seen one photo of Blonde or Blonde I.

Marco

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Hi Marco:

I will have to check the book for the origin of the picture. It is possible that it doesn't correspond to the race as we used to have one recap of all the European races. That was all. However, the 1971 CTC was held in hurricane force wind conditions and the sea doesn't appear too rough on this picture.

As for Blonde I, maybe John Crouse has it in his archives.

Phil.

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Rob,

My boat was built by Tony from a 36 Cig mould. Did he have more than one 36 Cig mould? Mine was done in the late 80's.

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Will find out more from were I was told.What has happened to the other USA second hand 36 ft Cigarette boats that raced down under,including Whippy's Eagle and Wood Duck?:cool:

More 36' in action on this footage of the 1974 Cowes-Torquay-Cowes.
Some great boats in there, Dry Martini, Eraf, etc....


http://media.boatmad.com/gallery/v/m...re+74.wmv.html

Phil.

Fantastic - a mix of footage by the look of it from Poole/Cowes and maybe Hamble too. If only it had the original soundtrack!

I agree with you Nigel, a soundtrack would give this film extra dimension. Anyway, I think we owe a big thank you to Graham Stevens, not only for recording this but also sharing it with us.

Phil.

Totally agree Phil!

Cheers Graham.

Phil: You have out done yourself with the video, I am very proud to have been a part of that era in Offshore, I hate to say it but Dry Martini really looks great, had to have been one of the prettiest boats of its time. wish we had video of some of the welcoming cerimonies after the win`s ( prize givings ) anyway, thank you for restoring the past, great memories for me, it`s like it was yesterday, keep up the good work, remember I want to see what Deauville looks like today, maybe I`ll try and visit one day. thanks, your friend 7XCHAMP

Cigarettes on film
 

Well now,if you want more cigarettes on film there are shots
in 71 (force 8 gale),72,73,75,78 on home movie together with professional films of 70,71,72,73,and 74 due to be put on the
Boatmad site.Also 61,62,63,64,65,66,68,69 professional films
waiting to be aired.Hopefully somebody out there in the U.S.
will instigate some 60`s and 70`s footage of U.S. racing other than `Run Sunward`.I know some exists because I`ve seen it,but in those days film transfer to video did not exist and the films went back to Betty Cook.`Golden Gate Gamble`with Kudu,Slap Shot,Dante`s Inferno,Popeye,Copper Kettle,Blonde,Bounty Hunter,Aeromarine,Popeye etc and `To Conquer the Sea` with Fino,Black Tornado,Hustler,Red Vengence,Windjammer.

Graham

Thanks Richie, but I cannot take any credit for this one.
I did find the video on Boatmad and I just couldn't resist sharing it with you guys.
For someone like me who was only spectating at the time this footage brought back loads of memories so I can only guess how it makes you feel.

I will be going back to Deauville at the end of May and I'll bring back some pictures for you.
Do you remember the hotel you stayed in, by any chance?

All the best to you Richie.
Phil.

Graham,

You have whetted our appetite with such an interresting list of films.
Do you know if the last to titles you mentioned 'Golden Gate Gamble' and 'To conquer the Sea' will be put on Boatmad?

I know of one professional documentary made for the French TV and broadcast in 1975, it covered the 1973 Dauphin d'Or and the 1974 Deauville Trophy. I have been trying to source it but I cannot even remember the title and it is proving extremely difficult. Also, this was before video recorders were available to the public. Shame.

On the picture below, the guy who filmed it (on the left with the camera) asked the mechanics of Miss Embassy to fit the proppellers. At this point in the week end, the race will soon be postponed due to very bad weather conditions.

On the left, in the background, the white building ( a pub) is doing a roaring trade with most crews waiting for news from the organisers. Also, on a more personal matter, the kid circled on the picture is...me.

Phil.

PS, are you Graham Stevens?

I can't wait until I'm 65 years old so I can start a thread like this one - haha. Love the old stuff!

Old U.S. films
 

Your assumption is correct Phil,I am Graham Stevens ,keeper of raceboat nostalgia,as Marco and Nigel will testify,in fact Nigel will fall off his perch at the thought of me actually posting a comment in.The two U.S. films you mention will not be on the Boatmad site as I have no copy of them.Tim Powell obtained them from Betty Cook and we ran them through at work and handed them back.All before video copying,but looking back I should have made film copies.It`s only now in the age of internet transfer of information that all this stuff is now becoming worthwhile.

Graham

Hi Doctor,
not only Nigel falled off his perch but me when I saw "flying fish" come back on OSO!
However also in Italy somewhere still lying some old sport offshore documentaries.
I remember to have seen in the early eighties a sport documentary sponsored by the petrol brand Mobil about the 1975 Italian Championship season.
Find it is like to find a needle in a straw-rick.

Clouseau

Graham,

I very pleased to be able to thank you personally for the wealth of information you have been sharing with us.
Your results database and picture library on Boatmad are just great and the film footage speaks for itself.

I also would like to congratulate you on the model of 'Unowot' you built. For those who don't know what I am refering to, here is a picture. Incredible details!
What is the scale?

Phil.

Unowot Model
 

Thanks for your kind words Phil.The model is 1:24 scale.
There are many more films that could be put on Boatmad,right up to the present,but it is governed by the time the people at Boatmad can devote to putting it on the web as well as storage space.I`ve already given them a headache with the latest batch,but I know they are keen to create a good library of offshore.One thing that has not been put on the web although Boatmad have it ,is the listing of builders boats (ex-names and details) which complements the race results. At present I am working through a file of photos to complement these listings.No doubt I will put Marco on the rack to release some of his obscure boats in the course of the next few months.Are you watching Mr.Clouseau!I have him helping me on the CUV listings at the moment.Better than walking the streets.He is a real godsend,a devotee if ever there was one.I`ve yet to come across a U.S. equivalent but no doubt Nigel will put enough bait out to lure one to the surface.

Graham

Doctor Watson,I'm watching about your list of CUV. In this days I'm changin' house and I have my offshore library in cardboard boxes.
However as soon as ready I will send you' the corrections.
It seems that we will still have to update also the list of the Bertrams 38.'.. the tail of the Panther is loosing again.

Inspecteur Clouseau

Graham

If there is anythng that HORBA has that could be of use to you, just let us know and we will dig it out for you. It sounds as if we have the same problem as you, a massive amount of material to go through and not many hands to do it.

Our thanks also for the fine work you have done on the subject.

Charlie McCarthy

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Thanks Charlie for the offer,I will certainly keep it in mind.
Looking forward to your next batch of photos to fill in the missing links.It`s amazing the more data I accumulate, the more I realize how many areas need tidying up,especially when Marco gets his magnifying glass out and spots different signwriting on what you think is the same boat,and that opens up another can of worms.All fascinating stuff.

Graham

Having watch Graham' s film on the 1974 Season (more than I should have maybe), I have noticed that the blue Eraf is running with carburettors engines.
I would have thought that in 74, injection was wide-spread and reliable. Any ideas on what could have motivated De Angelis' choice?

Phil.

As late as '79 I won the Bushmills race in California with a boat using two 1050 carbs on each engine....reason...more horsepower and better reliability.

Remember fuel injection at that time was still not controlled by computers.

I tested at Lake X and the best results were with the two four barrels over the injection of the time. I was also using an outside engine builder...McBetts...who really could get some horsepower from a set up that they were very familiar with.

Mercury tended to stay with what worked until they were beaten and then they innovated again.....not Mr K...Mercury themselves as a corp.