36` Cigarette Copper Kettle
 

Does anyone know where it is. I remember a young Doctor, Dr.Bob Gingold had her and kept her completly original, I`m going back into the early 1980`s when I saw him last. He was a really good guy, a groupie, loved hi power things, had a really cool Cadillac that Rahilly and Grady built for him, like 600hp or something cool, we were good friends, He used to come to my shop all the time when I had American Eagle, Benihana, and Michelob teams. I would love to know what happened to the boat and to him. If anyone knows we should contact him to let him know about the Forum gang. Last I knew he was in North Miami, Let`s find him. 7XCHAMP

Re: 36` Cigarette Copper Kettle
 

Hey Champ, i believe Sandy owned a bertram which he sold to Howard Quam, also owned a scarab, cig, tempest and a gara. I know one of those ended up to a guy living in a cleveland suburb. I have to stop down @ Copper Kettle marina in the next week i'll ask the guys in the shop if they have any info.

Jeff

RE: Copper Kettle
 

This is a response to an old post, but thought it might be interesting. Sandy became good friends with my dad who at the time, was president of the Chamber of Commerce in Pt. Pleasant Bch. I do know some facts regarding the boat. The facts are: Sandy owned a restaurant in Cleveland called the Copper Kettle. Apparently he sold it to persue racing. One of the boats was a 40' Corsa. And I believe there was also a 36' Ciggarette.

Now if my math is correct, it would put Sandy at about 86 years old. However, if you Google him, he seems to be still active in racing??? Perhaps it's his son. And there are references to the Copper Kettle Marina in Ohio.

Here you goooooo !

Dr. Robert M. Gingold

1075 NE 125th St
North Miami, FL 33161-5800
(305) 893-8111

Big Plastic Surgeon / Reconstructive Surgeon in Miami

C.B.

Copper Kettle
 

There was 1 of there boats under their home in the Clifton Lagoons on the Rocky River,Ohio Haven't been back in there in awhile could still be there, I think this was likely a pleasure boat though Scarab? Didn't he and his family owned Copper Kettle Marina? Lorain Ohio they were a wellcraft dealer for years back in 70's-80's

Richie,

Bob put me back together after the Apache/ Cherokee/ Froberg crash in '96. I thought he had sold the boat...or at least that's what I remember. Bob's a good guy and a talented Plastic Surgeon.

T.

I saw Bob at the sunny isles race, very good friend of mine as well, he told me that some smugglers bought the boat, they got busted, and put a lot of heat on Bob, he said it was a real nightmare, then later all cleared up, no telling where the boat ended up. I used to ley him work in my shop on NE 17 th ave. he kept the boat next door in Gene Lanhams shop. I remember he had a really cool Caddy with a rahilly Grady motor in it, bad ass.

I remember seeing Sandy Satullo on the TV show "Whats Your Line", after winning the National Championship, I think 1972?

Sandy Satullo of Clevaland,Ohio,was owner of the chain of restaurants Copper Kettle and before buying a Cig. 36' to race he was positively ventured in the karts and others motorsport disciplines.
On the lake Erie it was in rivalry with the friend Dominic Visconsi that it possessed a Magnum 28' that was faster than his Chris Craft 22'.
This way Satullo decided to go to Miami to find a boat to beat his friend.
He went to Magnum but it didn't find interest then he went to Don Aronow that initially didn't want to sell him one of the his36' because he think the grizzled 49 years old incapable to drive it.
Satullo insisted with Don and succeeded in convincing to make him a test with Barry Cordingly that to the time worked with Don.
Satullo returned to Cleveland announcing to Visconsi that his power in sea was ended.
The brand new 36' called Copper Kettle with the race number 7 was launched three days before the Hurricane Classic of St. Petersburg the February 19 1972 and in that competition Satullo won!
The Copper Kettle repeated the victories other three consecutive times included the Bahamas 500. An unparalleled record.
In the meantime also the friend-rival Visconsi had hastened to Aronow to buy another 36' that he called Popeye but he never succeeded in beating Satullo.
In the 1973 Satullo drives 36' for some competitions still winning the Hurricane Classic but then he jump on the new Gara 40' in wood and he lends the 36' to the Italian publisher Giorgio Mondadori that he affixes his race number 333.
Also in the 1975 Satullo drove occasionally the 36' that it will bring him to his only victory of that year in the Marina Del Rey Classic but getting the prestigious National Title.
In the 1976 Satullo definitely abandoned the old 36' for the new Bertram 38' in Kevlar.
The 36' with the race number 6 reappeared to the last seasonal competition in Key West driven by Jack Tushinsky that had momentarily remained probably without boat after he had sold the his new 35' to Doxford that same year.
Doctor Robert Gingold has finally driven the 36' Copper Kettle with the race number 36 in the 1980.

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1972-73
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Key West 1976 with Jack Tushinsky. Pic from HORBA.
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1980 Robert Gingold. From the 1982's calendar of Beken.

Great thread. I used to drive past the marina every weekend. Its cool learning more about Copper Kettle history. That was before my time, but I do remember reading Sandy in the old PB magazines my Pops kept
Jr.

heres apic

JERSEY DEVIL the first pic of my post came just from your original signed.

Sandy Sutollo
 

I did a google search on him about a year ago and it appears he bought a very expensive cruiser for 700k or so and kept it in Florida for a while and then brought it to Ohio. He got into a big dispute with the IRS over tax to be paid on it. Apparently during the fight he passed away. RIP.

RIP. Hopefully he passed owing the IRS money :waffen093:

I have posted these pictures before, but here they are .. One pic of Sandy's CC XK, and two of his 40' Gara.. The Gara was going out for a test run on Lake Erie, and the other raising her out :eek::eek: after she sank during a test on the lake.. After this wood Gara sank, Sandy raced the old Cig at that Ohio race..:drink:

ok looked the same thought you may have one also ha ha

h2oboater:
I remember of that pics in onother old thread.
The Chris Craft in the first photo should be the same of which I have spoken about of when before beginning the career in offshore Satullo he used for dueling with the Magnum 28' of Visconsi.
Note in the third pic the four air intakes of the engines hatches are the same to those of the Cigarettes 36'.

Well I remember his Copper Kettle bar/restaurant on Center Ridge Rd. in Rocky River, Ohio and that he lived nearby in Fairview Park. His racing photos were on the wall at Zappone's restaurant (MR. Z's) in Cleveland. His Copper kettle dry-stack building in Lorain burned in the 1980's. Used to see his Copper Kettle Scarab at Martha's Restaurant on the intracoastal in Hollywood, FL. and I believe he had a home on the ocean in the Hillsboro Mile near the inlet. He had another Copper Kettle restaurant across from Broward General Hospital in Ft. Lauderdale. Sounds like he kept up his passion for boating until the end...

BT I think the air intakes were the only all fiber glass part on this Gara, as I believe this hull was a racing wood plug...

The pic of the Gara sinking was taken at the Gas dock at Cleveland Yacht Club. The night before the Lake Erie race all the racers were up in the bar "gassing" it up and describing Lake Erie as a pond. At the end of the race in that very same bar , I never heard that expression again. There were many Dnf. In fact, they never wanted to race Lake Erie again and did not for many years. The rumor , at the time, was that Satullo's 36 had been built unintentionally without one layer of glass. Apparently the Cigarette layup crew went to lunch and lost count. His boat was faster than the other 36 Cigarettes with the same power.

Goldeneyee,
Great story!! I had a feeling that was Rocky River. The center picture gave it away. The post for the Lake Rd. bridge.... :)

Interesting theory.
I would want to know what CAL500 thinks of it that that boat has built.

Old School
 

Hello Goldeneye, Great to see some old school Vermilion finding it's way to oso! I for 1 look forward to many post's from you as i'm certain you have a vault full of very cool info!Congrats on your latest Boat! p.s. an upgrade is req. to post pic's! Again great for you to have found this place, good luck to you see you on the puddle(ha ha)! Rich

Rich: Thanks for the input. I'm just another lost ball in tall weeds attempting to find my way out! This appears to be a great site with many knowledgeable contributors. Perhaps, on occasion, I can contribute some old stories such as the first time I met Reggie Fountain who was peddling parts out of the back of a Mercury Marine 40' semi trailer at the Cedar Point boat race.... Bill

that boat was built out of wood only.custom project for sandy / not done at cigarette. sm list is comming soon.

the 36 cig built for sandy at the cig factory had our normal race layup. the speed differences lay in the x measurement/engines 496 wh open chamber heads and headers out the side/big holly carb. some newer engines had fuel injection and headers out the back also ssm 4 drives 1.4-1 gears and 4blade props were new and faster. sm

top speed
 

what would Copper Kettles, top speed have been on his 36 cig

the boat was tested when completed at cigarette,and later at its first race. I recall 88 mph with carbs and patterson side exhaust. look in the photos ,later we put plates over the exhaust holes and tried pipes out the rear.the old pipes were cracking and leaking after some races. lite on fuel.sm

Copper Kettle max speed
 

Interesting to note the 88.0mph.Looking through past race records,Copper Kettle averaged 73.8mph in it`s first race which it won in light conditions.If you use ,say an american speed formula where the weight of the boat in lbs is divided by the shp and then square root the whole lot and multiply it by the speed in mph you would obtain a constant.Use this same constant with the weight adjusted to give the speed in say light or full condition.

Using the above for half load (9210lbs) = 73.8mph (average) and light load (7954lbs) = 79.5mph (end of race)

The weights are based on a 37ft al.alloy OP1 with 1050hp.

Dry Martini (36ft ciggy) averaged 83.2 mph in one race with 1200hp,and if you used the above as a guide that could give 89.0mph in light condition,so 88.0mph with 1050hp I would have thought must have been absolutely balls out.

BTW 1979 Free Spirit - G.Leiber (36ft ciggy),what was that boat`s history I wonder.

as for 36 ' cig to reach 88 mph with carb. engines we had grind a rocker in the last 12'' of of the bottom,plus trimed out and full throttle. sm will think about gills boat

Interesting this formula to seek the speed but I believe that we are in the bush like with the dimensions of the boats. The power officially communicated is often fluctuating and tied up to the intentions of whom uses them or who produces them.More horses with donkeys and zebras for the one who wants to impress. Less power for the one that doesn't have interest to that they are more.
Graham about the Free Spirit I have always had the suspicion that it was in reality a 35.'

Good evening. I don't know who Cal500 is but he is very perceptive concerning MY 36 Cigarette Race Boat - Copper Kettle. I am indeed Dr. Bob Gingold the former owner from 1977 to 1985. I bought the boat from Sandy thru his throttle man and long time rigger and friend Mel Riggs. After receiving the boat, I have spoken, in the past, with many of the employees that worked at Cigarette in 1972 when the boat was laid up. It was delivered to Mel as a hull and deck only, with a couple of thru hull fittings only. The person who actually placed the fittings, ran to Don when he drilled the holes and fell into the side of the boat, telling Don that they forgot some LAYERS of glass. Don told him quiet this is going to be a special super light weight race boat., he hoped it would stay together and not crack up. I remember when I received the boat from Sandy, Mel told me not to walk on the front deck, only around the sides of the deck. I once was installing some wiring and adel clamps for the front nav. lights using a short only 1/4 long screw, with the adel clamp as a washer and it came out the top surface of the deck. You guys are incredible with the speed calculations. The power I had at the time was 675 per side. The engines were supplied by a mechanical engineer Hall of Fame drag racer named Jack Merkel. He raced I think a Blown A gas willys to many national championships, beating Stone Woods and Cook and Montgomery. His son was a multiple winner of the fastest steet car in the world Hot Rod magazine challenge. Tunnel Ram, dominators, AFR heads, 12.8 compression. Kiekhafer out the transom headers. Top speed with two Keller speedometers was 89 m.p.h. The number three drives were at a silly high x dimension of I think 19 inches, and the skegs of the lower units were initially machined off before the rest of the lower units were machined.Again special Kiekhaefer handling and rigging. It has a handful to steer, just ask my friend Ray Leventhal, my driver. He said the boat turned his hair from black to grey to white over the eight years that I owned it. If anyone is interested I could probably find the weight documentation from Keller industries where they had specialty truck scales off of I95 in Miami. I think the number was a little over 7000 pounds ready to run with maybe 30 or 40 gallons of fuel in the rear tanks. Had a capacity of very close to 500 gallons, designed for the Bahama 500 race I was told. The boat was sold in 1985 or 1986 and promptly seized before the new owner even had a chance to get it wet. I f anyone is interested I can continue the story another evening. By for now. Dr. Bob

Welcome to OSO Dr.Bob, Great story, would love to hear more.

Thanks for posting. I too would love to hear more!:drink:

Kurt

It is so good to hear from Doctor Bob!!! It has been at least 30 years!! The 36' Cigarette Copper Kettle, with Sandy and Barry (1972), had KAM working overtime to make the 'Aeromarine' competetive-----

Absolutely! More if you could. One more good thread on here to look forward too. My girl wonders why I'm too tired to read my book.

wow more please, i could read stuff like this all night long

Awesome Doc....... more more please!

Dr. Bob would love to hear the 'REST OF THE STORY' and more! Welcome to OSO.

~~edit~~ I have some great memories (and pics that I can't find :( ) of the Copper Kettle running a few different yrs. at Pt Pleasant / Bennihana Offshore Races back in the day.

Please do continue!