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Black Tornado 10-19-2009 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by CAL500 (Post 2975522)
Popeye '36 Cigarette damaged and sunk twice was sold to Dizzy Dean Disco in Kingston, Jamaica.

Popeye MSV '44, Dom bought two '42 turbo engines from Flagship Marine, NY. He wanted to try something with more power that was much faster in the seatrials around 100mph.
Sorry if I continue with the questions but I would want to understand better some things:
Memoirs if the Cig. 36' Popeye was a new boat built for Visconsi or one former boat?
Do you know the serial number of the hull?
Do some magazines bring the builder of the Popeye 44' as Mands Marine is correct or MSV must be written?

Black Tornado 10-19-2009 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by CAL500 (Post 2975530)
Maybe the first three were Cobra Race Boats. The remaining boats which totaled 5 or 6 were pleasure boats Halpern sold with the race deck on them.

There may have been two kevlar boats within that group.

The first raceboat for Halpbern was built in two months and raced right away. It would be halpbern's first race with the Cobra '38 - that will tell you what year.
What I would want to understand is if the Cobra 38' of caldente was really the ex third Beep Beep-that in Kevlar -or perhaps one of the 5 or 6 pleasure boats of which you speak.

Black Tornado 10-19-2009 05:19 PM
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/119...tey2002.th.jpghttp://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1892/20038602.th.jpg
The 38' ex caldente

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8...77resiz.th.gifhttp://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6288/22am.th.jpg
The third Beep Beep that in Kevlar then rent to Doxford

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1356/beepbeep2o.th.jpghttp://img5.imageshack.us/img5/543/c...doxford.th.jpg
One of two first Beep Beep and to right that it seems was prepared for Doxford. Both have the same version of different cover from that of 38' in Kevlar.

CAL500 10-19-2009 08:31 PM
Originally Posted by Ed (Post 2975677)
Great MSV history Sonny! Glad to have you here, sharing it with everyone. At what point do the 34 & more rare 38 Coyote come into this production? I helped put together a new, all black gelcoat, Airex & Kevlar 34 triple outboard, nationally campaigned raceboat, called "Chaos", for Al Schwenke...and a new, all black gelcoat, 38, with 4 new Hi-Perf Merc Mod-VP outboards, called "Four-Play", for brothers Glen & Norm Speck, amoung others, back in about 1982-83. Thanks
I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NAME COYOTE

CAL500 10-19-2009 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2975700)
Sorry if I continue with the questions but I would want to understand better some things:
Memoirs if the Cig. 36' Popeye was a new boat built for Visconsi or one former boat?
Do you know the serial number of the hull?
Do some magazines bring the builder of the Popeye 44' as Mands Marine is correct or MSV must be written?
when I worked at the cigarette factory we built this new 36 ft.race boat for mr. visconsi .I was throttle man with dominic for all the races the boat entered.msv is the builder of popeye 44 ft for mr. dominic visconsi.

CAL500 10-19-2009 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2975722)
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/119...tey2002.th.jpghttp://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1892/20038602.th.jpg
The 38' ex caldente

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8...77resiz.th.gifhttp://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6288/22am.th.jpg
The third Beep Beep that in Kevlar then rent to Doxford

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1356/beepbeep2o.th.jpghttp://img5.imageshack.us/img5/543/c...doxford.th.jpg
One of two first Beep Beep and to right that it seems was prepared for Doxford. Both have the same version of different cover from that of 38' in Kevlar.
all these hull are from the msv mold

CAL500 10-19-2009 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2975702)
What I would want to understand is if the Cobra 38' of caldente was really the ex third Beep Beep-that in Kevlar -or perhaps one of the 5 or 6 pleasure boats of which you speak.
not sure.you will have to look at the framing in the bow to see if its cross framed with full ring bulkheads.

Black Tornado 10-20-2009 08:22 AM
Originally Posted by CAL500 (Post 2975887)
when I worked at the cigarette factory we built this new 36 ft.race boat for mr. visconsi .I was throttle man with dominic for all the races the boat entered.msv is the builder of popeye 44 ft for mr. dominic visconsi.
If you worked at the Cigarette in that years are you in possibility to still remember the 36' competition build sequence ?
Example:
-Black Tornado(Balestrieri) hull 1
-Aeromarine I-KAM(Magoon) hull 2
-Blonde II(Hanks) hull 3
-Lady Nara(Bonelli) hull 4
-Starduster(Silvera) hull 5
-Boss O'Nova III(Wishnick) hull 6
-Innerspace(Gentry) hull 7
-Fino I(Rautbord) hull 8
-Fino II(Rautbord) hull 9
-Black Tornado II hull 10
-Copper Kettle(Satullo) hull 11
-Aeromarine III(Magoon) hull 12
-Dante's Inferno I(Tognoli) hull 13
-Blonde III(Hanks) hull 14
-Popeye(Visconsi) hull 15
-Eraf(De Angelis) hull 16
-Aeromarine IX(Bonomi) hull 17
-American Eagle I(Gentry) hull 18
-American Eagle II(Gentry) hull 19
-Sabre Dance(Taines) hull 20
-Slap Shot(Norris) hull 21
-Dante's Inferno II(Tognoli) hull 22
-Dry Martini(Bonomi 1973) hull 23
-Rock A Bye(Babin) hull 24

I know that it's a mission impossible to remember all but I hope that you can give me a little help to put order on this list.....:eekdrop:

MikeyFIN 10-20-2009 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by MDGperformance (Post 2083551)
some pics
hmmmm looks familiar in this vid, But In Finland 1990 ???



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yovy8v6JUhU


and this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdF3oGvhboY

CAL500 10-20-2009 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2976052)
If you worked at the Cigarette in that years are you in possibility to still remember the 36' competition build sequence ?
Example:
-Black Tornado(Balestrieri) hull 1
-Aeromarine I-KAM(Magoon) hull 2
-Blonde II(Hanks) hull 3
-Lady Nara(Bonelli) hull 4
-Starduster(Silvera) hull 5
-Boss O'Nova III(Wishnick) hull 6
-Innerspace(Gentry) hull 7
-Fino I(Rautbord) hull 8
-Fino II(Rautbord) hull 9
-Black Tornado II hull 10
-Copper Kettle(Satullo) hull 11
-Aeromarine III(Magoon) hull 12
-Dante's Inferno I(Tognoli) hull 13
-Blonde III(Hanks) hull 14
-Popeye(Visconsi) hull 15
-Eraf(De Angelis) hull 16
-Aeromarine IX(Bonomi) hull 17
-American Eagle I(Gentry) hull 18
-American Eagle II(Gentry) hull 19
-Sabre Dance(Taines) hull 20
-Slap Shot(Norris) hull 21
-Dante's Inferno II(Tognoli) hull 22
-Dry Martini(Bonomi 1973) hull 23
-Rock A Bye(Babin) hull 24

I know that it's a mission impossible to remember all but I hope that you can give me a little help to put order on this list.....:eekdrop:
yes I worked at cigarette when all these were built, rigged some raced some, sea trialed some .mech/throttle man/nav.Iam thinking on your list caio


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