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littlenige 04-06-2007 01:09 PM

Carl Kiekhaefer
 
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from Powerboat Sept ī83. Wonderful article from John Crouse, with wonderful pics too.

littlenige 04-06-2007 01:11 PM

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Last pages.

Comanche3Six 04-06-2007 03:01 PM

Good start to a Great thread! Carl Kiekhaefer started a real dynasty! I would like to know more.

VISSM Fan 04-06-2007 03:19 PM

Kinda crazy what he started considering he bought the factory with the intention of manufacturing milk making equipment.

MF 04-06-2007 03:21 PM

Great Article, and great thread !!

Black Tornado 04-06-2007 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by MF (Post 2084242)
Great Article, and great thread !!

Capito che razza di barca hai tra le mani MF?!:cool:

(Does understand what kind of boat you have among the hands?!)

Good job Nigel!:cool:

Comanche3Six 04-06-2007 05:15 PM

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MF 04-06-2007 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2084297)
Capito che razza di barca hai tra le mani MF?!:cool:

(Does understand what kind of boat you have among the hands?!)

Good job Nigel!:cool:

....Incredibile che sia proprio quella.....Ho liberato la coperta e sono pronto per partire con la ricostruzione.....ma č leggermente arquata giusto ??
Cioč...la coperta segue l'andamento della poppa ???



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Can't believe my boat is that !!
The Deck is cleaned and i am starting to reconstruct the original boat deck, but it is arched, right ?
i mean, does the deck in a 36 follow the back lines or it is just plain straight ???

ps

Happy Eastern everyone !

jhiguy377 04-06-2007 06:38 PM

brings back memories of Kiek. literature and the "Championship Maker" 625's ( 482 or 496 cid?)- Jeff

VintageOffshoreClassic 04-06-2007 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2084217)
Good start to a Great thread! Carl Kiekhaefer started a real dynasty! I would like to know more.

If you really want too know more this is a must read.

http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Fist-Live...966730-1302502

skrap 04-06-2007 08:52 PM

"Iron Fist" and "The Legend of Mercury" were both recommended to me by my buddy John Crouse. Anyone who visits this site will really enjoy them. They are both great books.

John

racesdad 04-06-2007 09:10 PM

great books. i wish i could have met that man. he reminds me of my father, freddy k, i know what you went thru. but it was worth the trip!!
thanks carl!!

racesdad 04-06-2007 09:13 PM

CARL, ITS ALL YOUR FAULT WE ARE IN THIS SPORT
THANK YOU:drink:

Black Tornado 04-07-2007 08:07 AM

MF,le coperte dei Cigarette 32'-36' avevano il "cavallino rovesciato" che caratterizzava le stupende linee disegnate da Aronow.
Il "cavallino" in certi yacht classici e' lo slancio verso l'alto del ponte, verso prua. Aronow invece inverti' tale slancio anche per motivi prettamente pratici come dare una migliore visibilita' al pozzetto di comando.
Quindi la coperta segue armonicamente la poppa.
Ma dalle foto mi sembra che nei lavori di modifica abbiano disgraziatamente tagliato pari tale andamento.
Per verificare questo basterebbe misurare l'altezza della fascia del baglio da prua a poppa per vedere se rimane costante o subisce delle variazioni.


MF, the decks of the Cigarettes 32'-36' they arched toward the bow that it characterized the stupendous lines drawn by Aronow.
The "cavallino" in certain classical yachts was the rush upward of the bridge, toward bow. Aronow instead reversed such rush also for practical motives purely as to give a best visibility' to the cockpit.
Then the cover harmonically follows the stern.
But from the photos it seems me that in the works of modifications unfortunately peer has cut such course.
To verify this would be enough to measure the height of the band of the beam from bow to stern to see if it is constant or it suffers some variations.

Happy Easter to You and everyone on OSO!

Top Banana 04-07-2007 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by jhiguy377 (Post 2084493)
brings back memories of Kiek. literature and the "Championship Maker" 625's ( 482 or 496 cid?)- Jeff


On the HORBA site, in the free members section, look in the miscellaneous area about half way down, and there is a lot of info on Carl and those engines including pages from the actual catalog.

www.historicraceboats.com

littlenige 04-07-2007 05:27 PM

Richie give us a story!!

ygrowup 04-08-2007 08:23 AM

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Cool KAM - 1 ad from early 70's. Anyone know if Doc Magoon is still around the waterfront?

Comanche3Six 04-08-2007 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by VintageOffshoreClassic (Post 2084574)
If you really want too know more this is a must read.

http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Fist-Live...966730-1302502

Thanks.....I will get the book.

Top Banana 04-08-2007 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by ygrowup (Post 2085984)
Cool KAM - 1 ad from early 70's. Anyone know if Doc Magoon is still around the waterfront?

Magoon and Wishnick live out west now .....in the wide open spaces.

Magoon is Aspen and Wishnick is near Salt Lake City Utah.

Black Tornado 04-08-2007 02:31 PM

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Another Champion's addvertise with Magoon.

dmaxx3500 04-08-2007 03:48 PM

someone should make a book of all the ads,there cool

littlenige 04-09-2007 02:08 AM

Marco, you back in Italy now?

And do you have any tales of Carl K getting over there for any of the VBV races?

Black Tornado 04-12-2007 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by littlenige (Post 2086694)
Marco, you back in Italy now?

And do you have any tales of Carl K getting over there for any of the VBV races?

Nigel,sorry the delay.
Yep I'm back in my Viareggio now.
About tales of Carl Kiekhaefer, I think he never come here to see a VBV edition.
Thus nothing to say about him and Viareggio.
The first Aeromarine engines victory came in 1973 with the original and beautiful Unowot of Shead. I remember that I was astonished to see that boat similar to a fast cruiser against a bush of Cigarettes.
The next two years were your avatar in 1974 and Bonomi in1975 to bring success to the Kiekhaefer.
Nobody else victory came to the Aeromarines in a VBV.
In Class 2 there were interesting boats powered with a single Aeromarine,like the trimarans Arcidiavolo(I-II) ofTognelli and Soccol,the Molinari's cat My Cude of Signoretti or the mono Manas of Zanoni; alls one were succesful boats.

littlenige 04-12-2007 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dmaxx3500 (Post 2086350)
someone should make a book of all the ads,there cool


Love those old ads.....

littlenige 04-12-2007 04:05 PM

When you see the old address - Aeromarine Drive, it makes you wonder why the folks in Miami havenīt named the newly constructed 188th street Aronow Boulevard or something........

7xchamp 04-13-2007 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by littlenige (Post 2090943)
When you see the old address - Aeromarine Drive, it makes you wonder why the folks in Miami havenīt named the newly constructed 188th street Aronow Boulevard or something........

Nigel: This is a great thread to start for Carl Kiek. and I would very much like to write my memoirs about him, however there is just too much and it is overwelming, hopefully I can write in my book. In brief Carl was like my step-dad, as my father was lost at sea as a commercial fisherman when I was 18 yrs. old. Mr. K became my mentor and was the Vince Lombardi of my life. The number of things we did together is a book in itself, from everything we engineered and invented, to the introduction of Aeromarine motors in Europe, then the standard of the industry, like the Cigarette`s it was all about the seriousness and team effort, and communication. After every race my first responsibility was to call Mr. K as he was waiting by the phone to find out what happened, I missed many after race celebrations with my team by being on the phone, the important thing is I was celebrating with the head coach, and that was better than anything imaginable, especially if we won, also had to give reports about the other boats racing his equip.. I have stories of when Freddie and I lived together in Fond Du Lac, stories about a horrific car accident, and when I died on the table couple times, when I woke Mr. K had his hand on my shoulder, I heard him say he`s Ok now and left, must have been around four in the morning. I believe when I had the accident with Tom and I started to go to the beyond, he was the one who handed me the regulator to breath and live. Sorry I can`t go on, I loved him and miss him, I know he is always looking out for me. So many stories, so many good times, so many bad times, what a book, rest in peace. 7XCHAMP

7xchamp 04-13-2007 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by littlenige (Post 2090943)
When you see the old address - Aeromarine Drive, it makes you wonder why the folks in Miami havenīt named the newly constructed 188th street Aronow Boulevard or something........

Nigel: I am working on nameing the street after Don, It is part of the project I am involved in about his life in a documentary that will be presented at this years Cannes film festival, Jerry Jacoby and myself are working together to also put a Bahamas 500 race together in his honor. Sorry can`t say more now but will keep everyone abreast of things as we progress. 7XCHAMP

7xchamp 04-13-2007 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2090904)
Nigel,sorry the delay.
Yep I'm back in my Viareggio now.
About tales of Carl Kiekhaefer, I think he never come here to see a VBV edition.
Thus nothing to say about him and Viareggio.
The first Aeromarine engines victory came in 1973 with the original and beautiful Unowot of Shead. I remember that I was astonished to see that boat similar to a fast cruiser against a bush of Cigarettes.
The next two years were your avatar in 1974 and Bonomi in1975 to bring success to the Kiekhaefer.
Nobody else victory came to the Aeromarines in a VBV.
In Class 2 there were interesting boats powered with a single Aeromarine,like the trimarans Arcidiavolo(I-II) ofTognelli and Soccol,the Molinari's cat My Cude of Signoretti or the mono Manas of Zanoni; alls one were succesful boats.

Marco: That was the first race for Bonomi and I in the newer light weight 36` Cig. We led the entire race except for the last five miles and Shead beat us. We broke all the hatch pins that held the hatches down, so the hatches were flapping around, and finally the throttle cable broke, and I went into the bilge at racing speed to try and hand throttle the motor, while slipping around in oil and water, not fun but we did finish second, first looser.7XCHAMP

Deauville Trophy 04-13-2007 04:16 PM

What a great thread this is. Richie, I really hope that you will write your book someday. Judging by your contributions on this forum, it would be great reading.

Phil.

littlenige 04-13-2007 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by 7xchamp (Post 2091780)
Nigel: I am working on nameing the street after Don, It is part of the project I am involved in about his life in a documentary that will be presented at this years Cannes film festival, Jerry Jacoby and myself are working together to also put a Bahamas 500 race together in his honor. Sorry can`t say more now but will keep everyone abreast of things as we progress. 7XCHAMP

Hey Richie thatīs great! Keep up your efforts.

Have you started writing you memoirs?? Your stories are quite amazing - it will make a fantastic read one day. And promise one thing - that I can have copy No. 1 when they come off the printing press - unless of course youīve already promised that to someone else!! Your No.1 fan.

Black Tornado 04-13-2007 05:45 PM

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For you Richie.
VBV 1973,entering the harbour after the race; You,Bonomi and Petroni on the 36' lighter Dry Martini(III) followed by the third overalls,Tom Gentry with the 36' American Eagle.

Deauville Trophy 04-14-2007 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 7xchamp (Post 2091769)
Nigel:...'After every race my first responsibility was to call Mr. K as he was waiting by the phone to find out what happened, I missed many after race celebrations with my team by being on the phone, the important thing is I was celebrating with the head coach, and that was better than anything imaginable, especially if we won, also had to give reports about the other boats racing his equip'... 7XCHAMP


Richie,

I can tell you what you missed at the Deauville Trophy, can't remember if it was 73 or74. As everyone was climbing a steep ladder to go from the pontoon to the quay, Carlo Bonomi emptied a bottle of champagne directly on the (shapely) rear of the pretty girl who was preceeding him up the first rungs. I can tell you that she wasn't expecting it !
Much more enjoyable celebration for us spectators than what we see in F1 GP....

I went back there last week, sat down on the low granite wall where we kis, used to spend hours watching you guys getting those boats ready. When you fired up those Aeromarine engines, we used to feel them through the vibrations in the granite. I'd give anything to go back in time.....

Phil.

littlenige 04-14-2007 06:25 AM

Phil - another great pic! Thanks for posting!

Itīs strange looking back, I thought I was kind of unique in my passion for powerboat racing (with the exception of a couple of local kids who were also keen on the sport) - yet through the internet it transpires that kids all over the world at the various races were all equally thrilled when the powerboats arrived in town. The thing I could never understand was why the whole planet wasnīt as crazy as I was over the sport - to me it was the most exciting spectacle ever - to witness the start of a race like the Cowes Torquay race and Iīm sure many others, was just mind blowing.

Deauville Trophy 04-14-2007 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by littlenige (Post 2092766)
Phil - another great pic! Thanks for posting!

Itīs strange looking back, I thought I was kind of unique in my passion for powerboat racing (with the exception of a couple of local kids who were also keen on the sport) - yet through the internet it transpires that kids all over the world at the various races were all equally thrilled when the powerboats arrived in town. The thing I could never understand was why the whole planet wasnīt as crazy as I was over the sport - to me it was the most exciting spectacle ever - to witness the start of a race like the Cowes Torquay race and Iīm sure many others, was just mind blowing.


I agree Nigel. Offshore Powerboat Racing was mystical for me. Difficult to put the finger on a single cause. The boats looked awesome (thank you Mr Arronow) and most had great names (Black Tornado) or great liveries ( Dry Martini or Miss Embassy). Then, there was the sheer power of the engines. The big Aeromarine (or Mercruiser) V8s gave at least 600 bhp at a time where F1 cars ( the yardstick for us in Europe) had no more than 500. To that you can add the silent restrained impression of speed that the boat on the trailers conveyed. You could just tell that once in the water they would be just like buckling broncos, only able to be handle by a handful of men in the world. This brings me to the crews. The mechanics who disappeared in the engine bay, fine tuning those monsters and who we pestered for stickers (sorry Richie). The navigators, who for me have been underestimated at times, and the drivers/throttlemen which I envied for being able to dominate the power of the beasts in conditions which I didn't appreciate at the time.
To all this you must add the mystery that surrounded Offshore racing in 1970's France. No internet back then. Info about the sport was so hard to come by. No dedicated magazines, only one seasonal report a year. Being an Offshore fan was a frustrating affair at times.

That is why I am so grateful for this forum and the Horba site, these two mediums allow me not only to re-live these great days and fill the gap in the knowledge I thought I had but also to meet people like you and Marco whose experience is somewhat similar. Furthermore, we are now able to communicate with and read the stories of the men we admired at the time.
This is just great.

ygrowup 04-14-2007 11:57 AM

littlenige....wondering what boat that is in your avatar? What a piece of retro art. Can 7X or anyone from that era explain the pro's / cons of side-dumping vs. running the pipes aft?

7xchamp 04-14-2007 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by ygrowup (Post 2093012)
littlenige....wondering what boat that is in your avatar? What a piece of retro art. Can 7X or anyone from that era explain the pro's / cons of side-dumping vs. running the pipes aft?

Red bilge and Patterson side mounts looks like Gentry 36` I agree it does look great. Patterson built a set of 45 degree headers for one of the custom Gentry 36` the Blue and red metalflake boat, headers swept to the side of the boat and tail pipes exited thru the transom at the corners, they were real bears to install, but looked and sounded incredible, all polished etc.
Side headers were VERY LOUD and could tend to mesmerize you, meaning after awhile like couple hours, the sound at various RPM`s all sounded the same, and it was hard to judge the rpm VS speed. At least that`s what happened to me. They were extremly loud, but sounded the badest of any exhaust system ever installed on offshore boats. If I were to refurbish a 70`s type offshore race, it would be a 36` Cig with fuellie motors and side exhaust. I used to live on the intercoastal in Miami in the late 1980`s, and my friend crazy Craig Maudslay with a couple of buddies bought the old Blonde 36` that had side headers, and everytime he would run the boat I would go out on the dock to watch and listen, you could hear him for miles away, I could even hear him in the ocean running hard, wish I had a recording today. When we went to thru transom headers, the cockpit became much queiter and for me much easier to run constantly, they were still loud but not like the side exit`s. Later great exhaust system`s were done by Errol Lanier ( one of the greatest throtlrmen ever ) for Kaiser systems boat, called two into one with megaphone tailpipe, was one of the most distictive sounds on the circuit, also a beautiful sound, if you see tapes from some of the old offshore race`s early and mid 1980`s you will hear for yourself. hope you enjoy. 7XCHAMP

7xchamp 04-14-2007 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by littlenige (Post 2092377)
Hey Richie thatīs great! Keep up your efforts.

Have you started writing you memoirs?? Your stories are quite amazing - it will make a fantastic read one day. And promise one thing - that I can have copy No. 1 when they come off the printing press - unless of course youīve already promised that to someone else!! Your No.1 fan.

Nigel: First book goes to my daughter who is now 15 yrs old and a pre proffesional ballerina, my champion, second goes to you as my # 1 fan and LONG time friend, third to Marco, fourth to Deauville as you will all be needed for research and to refresh my memory as you have so kindly done thru these forums. As I have said before these forums and you guys, and let`s not forget Charlie and HORBA have given me new enthusiasm for the sport as it really was. I enjoy telling my stories, I have SO many that if I wrote continuously on this forum it would take months to elaborate on each phase of my carreer, I guess therefore a book ??????? As I have said before, I basically lost interest in offshore racing and the new people who came into the sport, and the promoters who took no significance in the past, only for now and how they could best profit themselves. Showing up for races was demeaning at best, as the NEW offshore was all about the current day, and who they were and their accomplishments and contributions to the sport. The new people seem to be about the present and blind to the past, of course this is not everyone, but as time moves forward it removes the past that much faster. And since we had no one interested in the past until now, we would have no past, past yesterday in offshore. Thanks to all who are into these forums and I hope the interest continues and we can entice others to tell their stories, I am more than happy to do what I can to assure that. sorry for the soap box, but someone has to speak up.
7XCHAMP

7xchamp 04-14-2007 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Deauville Trophy (Post 2092804)
I agree Nigel. Offshore Powerboat Racing was mystical for me. Difficult to put the finger on a single cause. The boats looked awesome (thank you Mr Arronow) and most had great names (Black Tornado) or great liveries ( Dry Martini or Miss Embassy). Then, there was the sheer power of the engines. The big Aeromarine (or Mercruiser) V8s gave at least 600 bhp at a time where F1 cars ( the yardstick for us in Europe) had no more than 500. To that you can add the silent restrained impression of speed that the boat on the trailers conveyed. You could just tell that once in the water they would be just like buckling broncos, only able to be handle by a handful of men in the world. This brings me to the crews. The mechanics who disappeared in the engine bay, fine tuning those monsters and who we pestered for stickers (sorry Richie). The navigators, who for me have been underestimated at times, and the drivers/throttlemen which I envied for being able to dominate the power of the beasts in conditions which I didn't appreciate at the time.
To all this you must add the mystery that surrounded Offshore racing in 1970's France. No internet back then. Info about the sport was so hard to come by. No dedicated magazines, only one seasonal report a year. Being an Offshore fan was a frustrating affair at times.

That is why I am so grateful for this forum and the Horba site, these two mediums allow me not only to re-live these great days and fill the gap in the knowledge I thought I had but also to meet people like you and Marco whose experience is somewhat similar. Furthermore, we are now able to communicate with and read the stories of the men we admired at the time.
This is just great.

Phil: good to see you back, I would love to go back to deauville and sit at the little cafe on the corner accross from the harbor where we launched the boats, and all the teams would gather. remember the year we raced after a major strom, I believe it may have been a Hurricane, I remember making the crossing on the ferry boat from Southhampton to Lahavre on the way to Deauville, we were on the top deck inside and took waves over the entire ship, waves had to have been 40 to 50 feet in highth, scary exciting to say the least, plus it was freezing cold and rotten, I think it was the same year we had the accident on the way to deauville where three people were tragiclly killed when they skidded head on into our truck which was pulling the Dry Martini, it was horrible, I was helping the people best I could until help arrived, it was cold rainy and slippery like ice. Anyway when we raced the seas were still probably 8 to 12 foot big rollers, I took one big one over the entire boat just trying to get out of the cut and to the start line, anyway we won. Also the best steak au poivre in the world at the big fancy hotel we stayed at, they made it table side, unbelievable, I sure miss those days. thanks for the pix you send, how about some of how it looks today. 7XCHAMP

littlenige 04-14-2007 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by ygrowup (Post 2093012)
littlenige....wondering what boat that is in your avatar? What a piece of retro art. Can 7X or anyone from that era explain the pro's / cons of side-dumping vs. running the pipes aft?

The pic is from the Bill Elswick (?) Cig 36īcalled Thunder which raced at Cowes in 78 I think. Marco can confirm but I think it was one of the ex Blonde Roger Hanks boats. As Richie says - they looked awesome just sitting there!!

Thanks for the insight Richie about the headers etc. Itīs a shame there arenīt a lot more famous offshore racers from the era who could also come forward and bring their stories. Imagine combining the stories of racers such as yourself, Stuteville, Wilson, Sirois, Lanier et al - an offshore Bible if you will ("The men who made Offshore"). And thatīs just the throttlemen. No doubt people from all over the sport have great tales to tell - if only they could be collated and put into print. If their stories are half as interesting as yours it would be a book I would read time and time again.

Black Tornado 04-14-2007 03:50 PM

We alls wait the Richie's Memories,wait the Crouse new book....and who was there in those legendary years.
Yes Nigel,the Elswick's Thunder at the CTC of 1978 was the former Blonde III of Hanks.
That boat renamed John Player Special sank during the Mar del Plata's World Championships race in the next December.
I don't know if then the boat was recovered from the bottom of the sea.


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