Daddy Cool
 

Does anybody know where Daddy Cool is? Is it still for sale? I'd love to buy it and bring it back to its original graphics. I know that's what the last guy said but I think it looks sweet with the old blue sides.

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"HORBA is pleased to announce that DADDY COOL has been purchased by HORBA members, the Bochis family. John Bochis former owner and driver of Crazy Greek now has a new toy to play with.

There will be at the April gathering of old race boats in South Florida for sure.

Does anyone out there know for sure what this boat started out as?

It was the 7th 35 Cigarette built. That means it was built right after the Spirit/ Benihana 35.

Was it Bounty Hunter? or Isis?"


"Thanks for the color pic of Daddy Cool...I agree....it should be repainted to original...It would not be hard....never had a nice color pic before....I will tow her home soon and have a nice myco float on for her now..."

some quotes from an oso search...c

I thought Sprit/Benihana 35 was the first 35 built, actually built for Don himself because he thought of starting racing again? What hullnumber did Martini, American Viking and American Eagle have?

I think that the American Viking(then Powerboat Magazine) was the hullnumber #1,Dry Martini the #2 and the American Eagle the #3,it's right Richie?

Between the American Eagle and the Spirit/Benihana(hullnumber #6?) there was the Jumpin' Jack/Limit Up,the Isis or the Bounty Hunter II or the Eraf for the Italian driver Giulio De Angelis.
It's queer that the Spirit/Benihana raced in 1975 meanwhile the American Eagle,Jumpin' Jack,Isis,Bounty Hunter II and Eraf appeared only in 1976.....

By the way,anyone have an image of the Isis?

Marco: I am 99% certain that is correct. Nodskog for sure had the first 35 and hated it, he called Don and told him so. Don was not to happy about it and was very anxious for me to get the Martini 35 rigged to see what I thought.
The day I tested the boat for the first time, Don was on the dock waiting for me to come back from her first run. The Martini boat had the square 40` engine hatches custom made for me at my request to Don, every 35` after that had the same, Nordskog is the only one with the old flat 36` hatches. Anyway, back to the story!!!!!!! Don was anxiously waiting my review. I had a huge grin from ear to ear, and the first thing I said to Don was AWSOME!!!!!!!!!! Don commenced to jump around saying the boat was awsome, and he knew it would be, and basically Nordskog didn`t know how to run the boat.
He wanted to know exactly how it ran, I told him I was able to run much faster in head and following seas because the boat was not as flighty as the wide beam 36`s, the 35` ran flatter flew higher and straighter than the 36`s was like nascar vs formula one the 35` being the formula one. So I guess it`s no coincidence the first 35` narrow beam boats were called AWSOME. Also while we were all standing on the seawall admiring and talking it up a 27` Magnum came by us, Don stood back and said that`s the most beautiful boat ever built, we all agreed and talked 35` and offshore for another hour, then Don said good job kid, you got a winner and the rest is history. 7XCHAMP three of the world championships to Cigartette acclaim are from me and the teams I was with, another story, Don was always good about recognition to his teams, Throughout Europe our team dress was generally Cigarette T-shirts, pretty much full time dress except when it was race week then it was uniforms, still with Cigarette logos and always APBA and USA flags, the americans who raced in Europe were proud and showed it. When the Italians wanted the world titles they paid for the hired american top guns to work for them. 7XCHAMP

Thanks for the story Richie.
It's strange that the 35' they didn't succeed in getting the same successes of the 36' but very less.
Perhaps the arrival of the Bertrams, Scarabs and in Europe of the CUVs they made the difficult life to the Awesome.BT

Marco: I think when the americans started working for the Italians it sparked the competiion in Europe. The Italians were the first to really pursue offshore racing with a passion, I know the British were also keen on offshore but were doing it on their own.
I think it all started when Odell Lewis, Mel Riggs, Don Pruitt, etc. set the stage for the rest of us.
At first it was the 32` Bertrams, then the 36` Cigs then the Shead design boats, 35` cigs, and then the CUV`s. The 38` Bertrams were never that big in Europe, only ones I remember was Toleman and Franz. As far as the CUV`s go Davey Wilson played a major role in putting them on the map, he contributed to the design, construction and rigging, as well as superb throttling.
In the late 1970`s and 1980`s it seems everyone was getting on board, there were more total Italian teams, as well as all British etc. I think it was the end of an era for the Americans working for the Europeans, they decided they could do it on their own and did just that. I think the American contributions were seriously from 1970 to 1978 approx. then they were gone, and back to USA racing. At that same time if history is correct, it`s when the APBA under the leadership of Nordskog pulled away from the UIM and no longer ran UIM races in the USA, which changed the complextion of UIM world championships, which became a single event format, starting with Key West, then South America, Italy, Australia etc.
Nordskog thought it was unfair for the wealthy people to become world Champions by virtue of being able to field multiple boats and crews around the world, he didn`t feel it made a true world champion, and that the costs were way to much.
As the powerful force that he was he managed to change the whole picture, which I think sparked the Europeans to put more emphasis on their specific championships, like our USA championships, only problem is that it removed more the APBA from the UIM, and I think eventually created the demise of APBA as we knew it in the good old days and depleated the strength of the UIM in the eyes of the Americans. When I was racing,the UIM was the supreme command, every other faction fell under the UIM, including the APBA.
It is a shame that history went the way it did, if it had remained the same Offshore could be the same as Formula one car racing, and recognized universally through out the world, as proved when the Arabs entered the sport, it sparked offshore into another realm. I guess it`s all history now. The shame is the american racers have no clue or history regarding UIM and true world championship adventures. A true world champion should race in every country against the best each country has to offer, if he beats them in their countries, in their respective equip. then he is the best and deserved the crown and title WORLD CHAMPION. I don`t mean to take anything away from the world champions now, it`s just that they don`t know any other scenarios and have never had the opportunities we used to have. It` hard for me to accept. That`s history.
and my opinion. 7XCHAMP

In all fairness, Richie, it is a lot easier to go to Key West and race against NOBODY and be World Champ. It couldn't get much easier than that................ The only down side is that there are 650 other world champs at the same time.

Guess it gets down to world champion of what state or city, world champion of Idaho?????????? or maybe even world chapion of Milan Italy.
I think the UIM had it going for true world champions except that their were no American teams entered to make it real. Should be the best racers in the entire world race each other.
Johnnie Tomlison went over and raced with Pharone for one season, and if I`m not mistaken won the UIM championship?????????. There are plenty of americans who could afford to do the world circuit, but have to inclination because the UIM has no value to them, they can stay in the USA and if they are good can win two or three world championships in a single season, gets down to numbers I guess. Funny thing is that America apart from the UIM is the only country who has multiple world champions for the season. In Europe there is only one world champion still under UIM rule. Is it WORLD CHAMPION or CHAMPION OF THE WORLD????????????????????????? 7XCHAMP

Reminds me of an old joke.......

Fellow walks down a street and comes to a string of Pizza parlors all in a row.....

First one has a sign that reads: "Best Pizza in the City",

Next one reads: "Best Pizza in the State"

The next: "Best Pizza in the Country"

Next: "Best Pizza in the World"

Finally, he pauses and sees one last shop with a sign that reads simply: "Best Pizza on the Block!".

That about sums up today's Offshore "World Championships", except there wouldn't be that much competition.

In truth "todays" racers have to know full well how lame their "Championships" are. They see a mirror image in boxing and need look only as far as any other motorsport to see how different and weak their sport is. Even if they don't look at the myriad of pictures showing 40+ Open Class boats roaring out of Mallory Square back in the day.... deep down they know. The sad thing is, what can they do about it? Even with Haggin's seemingly limitless generosity, the sad collection of mismatched hulls, limitless enthusiasm and limited racing does not equate to a World Class sport. Throw in the current economy and fuel prices, take away the illegal, corporate and/or Foreign cash streams that used to fuel Offshore and the future looks dim indeed.

We were truly blessed to live during the "Glory Days"....... Hopefully a new dynamic will emerge to restore some of the luster. But it seems further and further away each year.

T2x

Rather spirited conversation! T2x...you're making me hungry. Where is that pizza joint? - Steve

That´s right, now I remeber. It was at the HORBA homapage page I read this:

Although Don Aronow had retired from racing after winning the World Championship in 1969, there were rumors that he was planning a comeback a few years later. The spirit/benihana boat was built for him and registered under his lucky racing number 4. Don always used the number 4 or some version of it, like 16, as he thought it brought him luck. He changed his mind and sold the boat to Hal Sahlman who raced it as Spirit. The boat was then sold to Rocky Aoki who raced it as Benihana. The boat is now owned by Charlie McCarthy, HORBA Managing Director. A total restoration of the boat is planned by Charlie and his son, Charley McCarthy Jr., and will be documented on HORBA homepage

Where is the best pizza???? Why NYC of course! I believe it was invented in Brooklyn actually.........along with the numbers rackets and "controlled" trash collection.:D

Yeah, I'll have a slice and a some policy action please.....

:waffen093:

T2x

Pretty good thread I got going, makes us reflect back, Like you say forty boats from around the world roaring out of the harbour in Key West.
Funny thing about even those days, everyone had to qualify to run, I believe you had to have run at least three UIM races, or your national races, and you had to have finished in the top three in those races, and have permission from APBA and UIM to race the series.
At least it was something to try and sort the best qualified to be world champions, gone are the days, How about some of us opening up a pizza place in NY we can call it legendary Pizza Parlor home of the world champion pizza, I can see Brownie behind the counter happy as a lark drinking a beer and telling stories, guess I would have to be the Pizza maker, guess we have all made ice cream out of s--t, at least it could be world championship ice cream. 7XCHAMP

Another factor which may have contributed to prevent the 35' from emulating its predecessor the 36' Wide Body, is the emergeance of the Catamaran hulls, Cougar in particularly.
The shorter, narrower hull of the 35' as good as it was couldn't match a cat in calm waters. Then in rougher seas, bigger hulls soon to be made lighter by the use of Kevlar had the edge.

Also, to add my 2 cents to the "World Championship" debate,
although I do not wish to belittle the achievement of people who won the title awarded at a single event, there is no doubt in my mind that World Titles earned until 1976 are more representative of the meaning of the phrase.
One of the few regrets I have about John Crouse excellent book (Searace) is that he didn't highlight the races that counted toward the world title up to 1976. If you do, you have a real sense of the logistics involved to "go and beat them" as Wynne, Arronow, Wishnick, Rautbord, Gentry, Balestrieri and Bonomi did.
The system wasn't perfect with different races held on the same day or consecutive days but the sporting achievement much greater.
The real shame of it all, is that Mike Duxford who had the most wonderful season in 1977 never got the World Title that his should have deserved under the old system.

Phil.

I vote we call it "Overboard Pizza"............

Our motto: "If you don't like it, we throw you overboard!".

It's a shame Pruett left us....he could have been in charge of Customer Service.....:D

Or Schwebbie, rest in piece.
7XCHAMP

Yes- Both T3x and Richie - you are right - we all were involved with folks like Allen Brown and so many others in the best -and I mean the best years of Offshore. So many Open boats in a race- large crowds - Blue Angels - the Clydedales, etc. - That was when Racing was Racing - I remember the World Championships in Auckland NZ - so many Italian boats - 3 or more boats from here or in Europe - Richie P, you are right - who would think of 39 Italian teams alone racing in Monaco in 1990 for the World Championships - but even that has changed - Money and Sponsors were unlimited then - Specially in Europe - they had sponsors that were USA Corps., but racers HERE, could never get them, Thats another story too - maybe some one will tell us one day why that happened - I have my ideas ! Its called- you pay me 2, and I give you ONE back.

There is so much talent, knowledge- spirit of the "sport" here - that its a shame it all can't be put together and the outcome would be Offshore Racing as we knew it. Today - its people that want to buy a "image" or ego of themselves -

We were fortunate to be involved in those days - many memories- many really good people - and what fun it was -

I could not go by the bar of the Pier House, with out seeing Allen Brown and Dave Gilmore - - or seeing Billy Martin and his crew with Bob Idoni brewing up some punch in Mar Del Plata -

Oh well - wonderful memories - nice people - good friends -

PHIL

I'm agree with Richie and Phil(Deauville Trophy) on the history of the World Championships and the share of the US drivers and the missed Title to Doxford in 1977.
The Offshore races were always a sport for gentleman.
Only their could choose whether to throw bags of money to turn mean world and to try to win a World Title.
Someone from the Usa has done it and someone from Italy or England has done it.
But the majority of the good Us or Italian or English drivers he has preferred to be satisfied with to win in the respective national championships.
The motives? Above all were three; Any intention to spend too much. Lack of time to be devoted to a season that began in January and it ended in November (from 1971). The Offshore sport was a fun and therefore all it took is racing...the more next to house.
When also for motives for world crisis of the oil it were decided to make to dispute the World Championship in an only competition the thing it has become more a game to the roulette. And is the beginning of the end of the sport of the Offshore racing.
Today he doesn't race all over the world more the Offshore but other types of competitions that with the old Offshore they don't have anymore nothing to whether to do.
Very valid competitions however with teams and crews often highly competitive and valid. But it is not Offshore.
The sport of the Offshore is now only a legend.
Marco

You make some good points, Marco. The other side of the coin is the fact that if you did commit the considerable sum of money to win (buy?) the championship, you could go to places like Cyprus and race against hollowed out logs. I don't recall anyone failing to win the championship in the late sixties and early seventies after they committed to vie for it. It sure as hell wasn't like trying to win the final.

BROWNIE,In theory it had to be so, but in reality only one World Champion is benefitted of some desert competitions as Cyprus, South America or South Africa, to win him Title in the history.
Was the Brazilian Franz in 1975.
In reality to spend so much and to have two or three boats and so many motors and two throttlemen and time for the competitions didn't mean to win or to buy the World Title. Something, Balestrieri and Gentry for example know.
It was always matter of technical preparation and a little bit of fortune. As in the best tradition of all the motors sports.
When we passed to the single race for the World Title to win however they were always great Champions as Betty Cook, Cosentino, Meynard etc.
However in 1977, as he has said correct Phil, Michael Doxford had dominated the whole season and then when it was the moment to race the final to Key West it chose the new catamaran of Cassir and Beard instead of his trusted 35' mono. To Key West that day the sea was alone for mono.
To reverse him it happened to 1980 in the bay of Melbourne to Betty Cook and the others that convinced to find shaken waters, they were found to almost compete with the cat of Meynard on one flat lagoon....

Marco

Marco, I was the furthest out checkboat in the 1977 Key West (Winner-take-all) championship race. Whoever won that sonofa***** deserved to be the champion. At middle ground, the seas were so large and close together, that our anchor pulled our 37' Magnum under the water to the windscreen. Ten or twelve feet high, Fifty feet apart.

Did you bring a camera that day? :-)

Real Offshore race!:cool:
I remember that Cosentino left him leaps meat on the steering-wheel.:rolleyes:...Davey Wilson maybe remember that.

Anyone have movie of that race?!

"Whoever won that sonofa***** deserved to be the champion"

And it was Betty Cook who in my opinion would have been World Champion under the old format if she had applied herself to it or/ and an the opportunity. No matter what, pure class often prevails...
Marco is right though, the true concept of Offshore Racing is history. That's why I have the utmost respect for the crews who raced in the conditions you described. Today's "offshore" racing is probably a skillfull art but it sure doesn't look it.

Phil.

Daddy COOL

What is "Him Leaps meat"....... and how do you leave it on a steering wheel?

Sorry T2x,my bad English.
Lips not leaps. Cosentino in one of the numerous hard relapses of his CUV 38' in the rough water of Key West it strongly beat the mouth on the steering wheel leaving the signs of him teeth on the stuffing of the wheel.

What the hell is wrong with the world when you two agree more and more???

How much money did you win in a race in the 70`s and 80`s ????


Mike

Minimum APBA "cost" was about $75,000 to put on a race, and as I recall about $25,000 went to the purses. The rest went for insurance and sanctioning fees. In addition the TV spend was about $50-75,000/race.

Now remember two things....

1. These were early 80's dollars.....so it would be at least double that amount today.....

2. These purses were divided up by only 4 national classes Production, Modified, Sport, and Open. This mattered very little since most of the well heeled teams back then donated the purses to a local charity.....or split them up among the crew members.

One other point, back in the 70's we received "appearance money" (so much/mile of travel) for Inboard hydros and Outboard tunnel boats at most races in Canada and some in the U.S........ plus cash prizes and trophies for win, place and show.

T2x

I just found an old pic of Daddy Cool before it was Daddy Cool. It is the Spirit of Panama.

So Daddy Cool was the former Spirit of Panama before I guess?

Was it the same guys who ran Spirit of Panama who later ordered the Panama Hawk a 35 inspired by Jerry Jacobys 37,5 Ajac Hawk?

Daddy Cool today, see the dash.

When it was picked up at Tres Martins last year.

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and more, it´s friday.

Last ones of hull # 7.