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30 step props
what props do these boats like or anybody have a 30 and what do u run? rev 4 , bravo 1, tempest, hydromotive, or powertech?
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Bravo FS is the way to go now a days rev4 garbage
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I have opti’s not verado does it matter?
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I'm running 24P bravos with 1:85 lowers. That's what the boat was delivered with. I told my self that I wasn't going to start chasing those last few MPH's and just enjoy the boat. At 65+ the boat is a little unsettled.
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Originally Posted by Dave M
(Post 4609080)
I'm running 24P bravos with 1:85 lowers. That's what the boat was delivered with. I told my self that I wasn't going to start chasing those last few MPH's and just enjoy the boat. At 65+ the boat is a little unsettled.
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Originally Posted by Elite30
(Post 4609082)
i appreciate your response what kind of power do you have?
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26 Bravo 1 with dual vent holes.
300X motors I am still working on the setup. |
Originally Posted by Dave M
(Post 4609080)
I'm running 24P bravos with 1:85 lowers. That's what the boat was delivered with. I told my self that I wasn't going to start chasing those last few MPH's and just enjoy the boat. At 65+ the boat is a little unsettled.
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Originally Posted by low_psi
(Post 4624489)
What have you see as far as MPH out of the stepped 30 w/twin 300 Verados? The reason I ask is you mention @ 65+ the boat is unsettled. So just curious how far past 65 you have made it. I have a 2000 non-stepped 30 w/225 Optis and have seen 65 (on the GPS). My motors are mounted as high as they will go and at that speed she is trimmed out pretty good and beginning to get a bit light... But I think there is 1-2 MPH more as I wasn't on the limiters, just ran out of courage ;-)
My best so far is 73. My boat came with the motors in the 4th hole. I was having water temp and pressure issues. That's another story. I had the motors lowered to the third hole and my pressure and temp issues went away and I think the boat handles better too. The boat chine walked a lot with the motors in the 4th hole. I don't have a lot of test time with the new set up yet, but I don't think it will cost me any speed. I have to learn the best trim setting. Yesterday I hit 72, 2 people on the boat, FULL gas tank, and full water tank. I was turning around 6250 RPM. I'm hoping for 6400 with less fuel on board. That should give me another MPH or 2. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4fcdb7b8b2.jpg |
Originally Posted by Dave M
(Post 4624550)
My best so far is 73. My boat came with the motors in the 4th hole. I was having water temp and pressure issues. That's another story. I had the motors lowered to the third hole and my pressure and temp issues went away and I think the boat handles better too. The boat chine walked a lot with the motors in the 4th hole. I don't have a lot of test time with the new set up yet, but I don't think it will cost me any speed. I have to learn the best trim setting. Yesterday I hit 72, 2 people on the boat, FULL gas tank, and full water tank. I was turning around 6250 RPM. I'm hoping for 6400 with less fuel on board. That should give me another MPH or 2.
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Nice boat Dave M.
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Originally Posted by JrCRXHF
(Post 4615761)
26 Bravo 1 with dual vent holes.
300X motors I am still working on the setup. any reason you went with dual vent holes, what speed are you getting. I’m spinning 24 bravos no vent holes but my hole shot sucks because of it when I’m loaded . 8 people on board I’m 62.4 spinning them at 6k. |
Originally Posted by Elite30
(Post 4627616)
any reason you went with dual vent holes, what speed are you getting. I’m spinning 24 bravos no vent holes but my hole shot sucks because of it when I’m loaded . 8 people on board I’m 62.4 spinning them at 6k. |
Dave M, any progress? A buddy is having the same issue. Same setup, but a 2018.
He is considering selling it, as the boat is not stable over 65 right now. |
Originally Posted by snowrunner
(Post 4630608)
Dave M, any progress? A buddy is having the same issue. Same setup, but a 2018.
He is considering selling it, as the boat is not stable over 65 right now. |
Ran the boat last night, max we could get to was 64-65 before running into severe chine walk. Played with trim and tabs, ran best a 0-2 on trim, 0 tabs. One thing significant to mention is that the boat has 23p Mirage Plus props. The boat feels extremely light right now, flys over cut vs cutting thru it. I dont know what hole position people are reffereong to, actually how its being Referenced. The motors are mounted all the way down against the transom- not sure if they can be lowered? Spacer? not sure if fresh water makes a big difference in stability? Currently, 55mph is the point where it becomes white knuckle and 65 the point where you can no longer drive thru the walk. We had multiple drivers run the boat as is, with tons of experience rinning much higher powered and speeds than this - no one went above 65. The factory is helping out and sending some Bravo’s and will help further dial the boat in if necessary - glad to hear they are going to help! |
Bravo’s are the way to go on these 30. Some like the Rev 4 depending on set up. I personally ran mirage plus 23,25 but didnt like how it ran on it . Also tempest and bravo 1 . Tempest is faster but bravo gives you better overall ride at least for me it does. Had a buddy of mine spinning mirage on his 30 and he liked it because it gave him more speed. It all depends what u like. I also think it has to do with engine height also. |
Honestly the factory is awesome , they will work with you to resolve any issue. Any questions or concern they have always helped me out. |
Originally Posted by snowrunner
(Post 4630836)
Ran the boat last night, max we could get to was 64-65 before running into severe chine walk. Played with trim and tabs, ran best a 0-2 on trim, 0 tabs. One thing significant to mention is that the boat has 23p Mirage Plus props. The boat feels extremely light right now, flys over cut vs cutting thru it. I dont know what hole position people are reffereong to, actually how its being Referenced. The motors are mounted all the way down against the transom- not sure if they can be lowered? Spacer? not sure if fresh water makes a big difference in stability? Currently, 55mph is the point where it becomes white knuckle and 65 the point where you can no longer drive thru the walk. We had multiple drivers run the boat as is, with tons of experience rinning much higher powered and speeds than this - no one went above 65. The factory is helping out and sending some Bravo’s and will help further dial the boat in if necessary - glad to hear they are going to help! I always seem to need to run some tab. My tabs are level with the bottom when they are fully up. Seem slightly odd to me. Other boats I owned had k-planes and were angled upward, when fully retracted. I usually run my tabs on 2 or 3 now. I've had issues with chine walk with Mirage+, not on the Concept, but other boats. I'm running plain old bravos, 24P, 1:85 lowers. Verados have five mounting holes. My boat was delivered with the motors in the 4th hole, meaning if they were in the 5th hole, they would be in the highest position. I had them lowered to the 3rd hole which seemed to help. I boat in a mixture of fresh, brackish, and salt and don't think that should make a difference. My boat rides nice at 55, OK at 65 (better since I lowered the motors), |
Originally Posted by snowrunner
(Post 4630836)
The factory is helping out and sending some Bravo’s and will help further dial the boat in if necessary - glad to hear they are going to help! |
No, the factory didnt get him the props yet. That is the boat, was sold until the sea trial - with those Mirage Plus props. Scared the buyers wife. not clear why the factory would use 3 blades, sounds like all forums we researched say the same thing - Bravo’s we had multiple current offshore owners ( much faster boat owners) drive the boat, at 65 you want to get safety gear on in less than 1 footers. The factory got it to 73 in the ocean without issue, would fresh water gave that much of an effect on it? there is literally no trim or tab range to speak of currently. 1-2 on the digital trim gauge is about it. the factory shipped the prips and wedges on Tuesday of this week - not sure on the delay? |
Sorry - didn’t see your earlier post. yes, his is the 2018 with Verados. The motors are mounted all the way down ( boat is in the water). The too of the motir mounting bracket is on the top of the transom. the video of the factory sea trial doesnt show the boat having the issues we are experiencing, thus the question about water type. I wouldn’t have expected any differences. |
Well, while still waiting on the props - the boat was traded in for a less performance oriented boat brand. The ownership of Concept is awesome and wanted to make everything right, but the salesman really was terrible to deal with and dropped the ball. |
Originally Posted by snowrunner
(Post 4633345)
Well, while still waiting on the props - the boat was traded in for a less performance oriented boat brand. The ownership of Concept is awesome and wanted to make everything right, but the salesman really was terrible to deal with and dropped the ball. |
Concept salesman. Said none of us knew how to drive the boat. My buddy and his Fam are very nice, were very upset after the delays and didcussions the the salesman had with them. He never told the owner what was going on, he called to fly up once he heard of the issues continued. Was not kept updated on the issues and ultimate trade of the boat. My buddy was not aware the owner wasn’t informed. |
Originally Posted by Dave M
(Post 4630643)
The weather has not been cooperating so far this year. I think lowering the motors did help with the handling. Still not perfect. I'm usually riding around 50 mph, and the boat rides nice at that speed.
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Originally Posted by thewilliwaw
(Post 4721393)
I am in the sales process for a 2021 Concept 30cc with twin 300 Verados. Now that you have had some time with your boat, can you tell me how the handling is at speed and what top speed you have achieved. Also, what are your impressions of the build quality? Lastly, if you trail your boat, do you have an idea as to the verticle clearance when on the trailer. Any information would be really helpful. Thanks.
I am satisfied with the build quality. I had a few gel coat voids on the bottom which were easily fixed. I have a small stress crack on the corner of one of the rear storage compartments. The storage compartments in the floor do not stay dry. I trailer the boat. The trailer I got from Concept, "Ultimate Trailers" is OK for the price. The boat loads and unloads easily. It tows good too. I towed it back to MD from FL. The top of the arch on the trailer is around 11 feet. Overall I really like the boat. If I was to do another build I would do the open boat with big console and hard t-top. The cabin is pretty useless to me except for storage. There is a potty down there but my wife complains about it all the time. There is very little head room in the cabin. |
Thanks DaveM. Really appreciate your insights. They are giving me food for thought on making the change from my current Advantage closed bow to a center console. I visited the factory but the only 30 cc there was in the process of being built so it was hard to get a feel for dimensions. My wife likes the couches in our cuddy. The front vberth is a padded storage bin in our boat as well. The ride sounds similar at similar speeds (although the Advantage will just about touch 80). But like your boat, when I get past 65 with trim coming up and I need to pay close attention to what's going on. The real problem is that 11ft height as my storage barn has a 10 foot entrance. Not sure I can change that and am not excited about paying for a new boat and a new barn. Love the look and open spaces on that Concept though and the sound of outboards versus a big block with headers (before I go completely deaf). I guess I am lucky to face these tough decisions. Take care.
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Originally Posted by thewilliwaw
(Post 4721422)
The real problem is that 11ft height as my storage barn has a 10 foot entrance.
I don't think you'll have any issues with build quality - Concept makes a great boat. |
I have a 2008 30 with a stepped hull but with bottom paint. I have 225 verados but can't get past mid 50's. I am running 3 blades and i am amazed with the speed you get with a your setup. My motors are in the 4th hole.
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Originally Posted by CAPTAINRON
(Post 4731783)
I have a 2008 30 with a stepped hull but with bottom paint. I have 225 verados but can't get past mid 50's. I am running 3 blades and i am amazed with the speed you get with a your setup. My motors are in the 4th hole.
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6200 RPM 21P props. Not sure of the gear ratio. 2006 225 Verados. Took it out yesterday and really couldn't get it to break 50 MPH.
Maybe bravos will help? Thanks for your help. Ron |
Originally Posted by CAPTAINRON
(Post 4732810)
6200 RPM 21P props. Not sure of the gear ratio. 2006 225 Verados. Took it out yesterday and really couldn't get it to break 50 MPH.
Maybe bravos will help? Thanks for your help. Ron |
I found 22p bravo 1's had to source two separate props to make a pair so they don't match (one is polished and the other one is not) anyway took it out and got 58 MPH at 6000 RPMs which is so much better. I can feel the lightness you guys are talking about now. Great solution to my problem for the money.
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I'm looking at a 07 30 with step and was wondering if the factory adding the setp fixed or helped with the porpoising problem that I hurd the non step 30s had. Any insight on this?
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Originally Posted by 1989mach1
(Post 4844611)
I'm looking at a 07 30 with step and was wondering if the factory adding the setp fixed or helped with the porpoising problem that I hurd the non step 30s had. Any insight on this?
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Originally Posted by joeya
(Post 4844772)
The step did help it alot and if you have verado you can run Rev 4's FS which give you stern lift and good handling. I used to work for concept and I did all testing so I can tell you all you want to know.
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The hull on the 30 is a longstanding, proven hull. That being said, I would opt for the stepped hull if both boats are in a similar condition.
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Just picked up my 30 open with 300 verados and consistently see 70mph with half a tank of fuel and 2-4 passengers. Have seen 76 with 1/4 tank and just me on the boat but I'm still learning how to run the boat. As previously mentioned the boat doesn't seem to be quite comfortable over about 65
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