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Elite30 02-07-2018 08:48 PM

30 step props
 
what props do these boats like or anybody have a 30 and what do u run? rev 4 , bravo 1, tempest, hydromotive, or powertech?

kakarot 02-07-2018 09:41 PM

Bravo FS is the way to go now a days rev4 garbage

Elite30 02-07-2018 09:47 PM

I have opti’s not verado does it matter?

Dave M 02-08-2018 06:14 AM

I'm running 24P bravos with 1:85 lowers. That's what the boat was delivered with. I told my self that I wasn't going to start chasing those last few MPH's and just enjoy the boat. At 65+ the boat is a little unsettled.

Elite30 02-08-2018 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Dave M (Post 4609080)
I'm running 24P bravos with 1:85 lowers. That's what the boat was delivered with. I told my self that I wasn't going to start chasing those last few MPH's and just enjoy the boat. At 65+ the boat is a little unsettled.

i appreciate your response what kind of power do you have?

Dave M 02-08-2018 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Elite30 (Post 4609082)
i appreciate your response what kind of power do you have?

300 Verados

JrCRXHF 03-13-2018 02:39 PM

26 Bravo 1 with dual vent holes.

300X motors I am still working on the setup.

low_psi 05-02-2018 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Dave M (Post 4609080)
I'm running 24P bravos with 1:85 lowers. That's what the boat was delivered with. I told my self that I wasn't going to start chasing those last few MPH's and just enjoy the boat. At 65+ the boat is a little unsettled.

What have you see as far as MPH out of the stepped 30 w/twin 300 Verados? The reason I ask is you mention @ 65+ the boat is unsettled. So just curious how far past 65 you have made it. I have a 2000 non-stepped 30 w/225 Optis and have seen 65 (on the GPS). My motors are mounted as high as they will go and at that speed she is trimmed out pretty good and beginning to get a bit light... But I think there is 1-2 MPH more as I wasn't on the limiters, just ran out of courage ;-)

Dave M 05-02-2018 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by low_psi (Post 4624489)
What have you see as far as MPH out of the stepped 30 w/twin 300 Verados? The reason I ask is you mention @ 65+ the boat is unsettled. So just curious how far past 65 you have made it. I have a 2000 non-stepped 30 w/225 Optis and have seen 65 (on the GPS). My motors are mounted as high as they will go and at that speed she is trimmed out pretty good and beginning to get a bit light... But I think there is 1-2 MPH more as I wasn't on the limiters, just ran out of courage ;-)


My best so far is 73. My boat came with the motors in the 4th hole. I was having water temp and pressure issues. That's another story. I had the motors lowered to the third hole and my pressure and temp issues went away and I think the boat handles better too. The boat chine walked a lot with the motors in the 4th hole. I don't have a lot of test time with the new set up yet, but I don't think it will cost me any speed. I have to learn the best trim setting. Yesterday I hit 72, 2 people on the boat, FULL gas tank, and full water tank. I was turning around 6250 RPM. I'm hoping for 6400 with less fuel on board. That should give me another MPH or 2.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4fcdb7b8b2.jpg

low_psi 05-04-2018 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by Dave M (Post 4624550)
My best so far is 73. My boat came with the motors in the 4th hole. I was having water temp and pressure issues. That's another story. I had the motors lowered to the third hole and my pressure and temp issues went away and I think the boat handles better too. The boat chine walked a lot with the motors in the 4th hole. I don't have a lot of test time with the new set up yet, but I don't think it will cost me any speed. I have to learn the best trim setting. Yesterday I hit 72, 2 people on the boat, FULL gas tank, and full water tank. I was turning around 6250 RPM. I'm hoping for 6400 with less fuel on board. That should give me another MPH or 2.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4fcdb7b8b2.jpg

Good Numbers. A lot of people thought I was full of it stating I was hitting 65 with 225s until I posted the video showing the GPS. But it does take the right conditions and the boat being pretty light. I think I could get 66-67 out of it if I really got her trimmed out but I am really not out to set any speed records....... Loaded with 3/4 tank and 4 people I am around 60-61. I will say mine rides really well with the motors mounted all the way up. But they are totally different then a Verado...

Indy 05-11-2018 07:20 PM

Nice boat Dave M.

Elite30 05-21-2018 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by JrCRXHF (Post 4615761)
26 Bravo 1 with dual vent holes.

300X motors I am still working on the setup.


any reason you went with dual vent holes, what speed are you getting. I’m spinning 24 bravos no vent holes but my hole shot sucks because of it when I’m loaded . 8 people on board I’m 62.4 spinning them at 6k.

JrCRXHF 05-22-2018 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by Elite30 (Post 4627616)



any reason you went with dual vent holes, what speed are you getting. I’m spinning 24 bravos no vent holes but my hole shot sucks because of it when I’m loaded . 8 people on board I’m 62.4 spinning them at 6k.

I have not got the motors out of break-in after the rebuild yet. But last year the boat was slow out of the hole so i am trying to create a little more slip but with the X most of the exhaust gets vented before the gear case so it might not help me as much as what it would on a XS. The boat with TQ master and 26p went 74mph and still climbing before hitting a water pressure issue.

snowrunner 06-06-2018 08:04 PM

Dave M, any progress? A buddy is having the same issue. Same setup, but a 2018.

He is considering selling it, as the boat is not stable over 65 right now.

Dave M 06-07-2018 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by snowrunner (Post 4630608)
Dave M, any progress? A buddy is having the same issue. Same setup, but a 2018.

He is considering selling it, as the boat is not stable over 65 right now.

The weather has not been cooperating so far this year. I think lowering the motors did help with the handling. Still not perfect. I'm usually riding around 50 mph, and the boat rides nice at that speed.

snowrunner 06-08-2018 06:58 AM

Ran the boat last night, max we could get to was 64-65 before running into severe chine walk. Played with trim and tabs, ran best a 0-2 on trim, 0 tabs.

One thing significant to mention is that the boat has 23p Mirage Plus props. The boat feels extremely light right now, flys over cut vs cutting thru it.

I dont know what hole position people are reffereong to, actually how its being Referenced. The motors are mounted all the way down against the transom- not sure if they can be lowered? Spacer?

not sure if fresh water makes a big difference in stability? Currently, 55mph is the point where it becomes white knuckle and 65 the point where you can no longer drive thru the walk.

We had multiple drivers run the boat as is, with tons of experience rinning much higher powered and speeds than this - no one went above 65.

The factory is helping out and sending some Bravo’s and will help further dial the boat in if necessary - glad to hear they are going to help!

Elite30 06-08-2018 07:17 AM

Bravo’s are the way to go on these 30. Some like the Rev 4 depending on set up. I personally ran mirage plus 23,25 but didnt like how it ran on it . Also tempest and bravo 1 . Tempest is faster but bravo gives you better overall ride at least for me it does.

Had a buddy of mine spinning mirage on his 30 and he liked it because it gave him more speed. It all depends what u like. I also think it has to do with engine height also.

Elite30 06-08-2018 07:20 AM

Honestly the factory is awesome , they will work with you to resolve any issue. Any questions or concern they have always helped me out.

Dave M 06-08-2018 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by snowrunner (Post 4630836)
Ran the boat last night, max we could get to was 64-65 before running into severe chine walk. Played with trim and tabs, ran best a 0-2 on trim, 0 tabs.

One thing significant to mention is that the boat has 23p Mirage Plus props. The boat feels extremely light right now, flys over cut vs cutting thru it.

I dont know what hole position people are reffereong to, actually how its being Referenced. The motors are mounted all the way down against the transom- not sure if they can be lowered? Spacer?

not sure if fresh water makes a big difference in stability? Currently, 55mph is the point where it becomes white knuckle and 65 the point where you can no longer drive thru the walk.

We had multiple drivers run the boat as is, with tons of experience rinning much higher powered and speeds than this - no one went above 65.

The factory is helping out and sending some Bravo’s and will help further dial the boat in if necessary - glad to hear they are going to help!

This boat is a 2018? With Verados?

I always seem to need to run some tab. My tabs are level with the bottom when they are fully up. Seem slightly odd to me. Other boats I owned had k-planes and were angled upward, when fully retracted. I usually run my tabs on 2 or 3 now.

I've had issues with chine walk with Mirage+, not on the Concept, but other boats. I'm running plain old bravos, 24P, 1:85 lowers.

Verados have five mounting holes. My boat was delivered with the motors in the 4th hole, meaning if they were in the 5th hole, they would be in the highest position. I had them lowered to the 3rd hole which seemed to help.

I boat in a mixture of fresh, brackish, and salt and don't think that should make a difference. My boat rides nice at 55, OK at 65 (better since I lowered the motors),

Dave M 06-20-2018 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by snowrunner (Post 4630836)

The factory is helping out and sending some Bravo’s and will help further dial the boat in if necessary - glad to hear they are going to help!

Did you try the bravos yet? Is the boat listed for sale on yacht world? Grey sides?

snowrunner 06-20-2018 07:11 AM

No, the factory didnt get him the props yet.

That is the boat, was sold until the sea trial - with those Mirage Plus props. Scared the buyers wife.

not clear why the factory would use 3 blades, sounds like all forums we researched say the same thing - Bravo’s

we had multiple current offshore owners ( much faster boat owners) drive the boat, at 65 you want to get safety gear on in less than 1 footers. The factory got it to 73 in the ocean without issue, would fresh water gave that much of an effect on it?

there is literally no trim or tab range to speak of currently. 1-2 on the digital trim gauge is about it.

the factory shipped the prips and wedges on Tuesday of this week - not sure on the delay?

snowrunner 06-20-2018 07:18 AM

Sorry - didn’t see your earlier post.

yes, his is the 2018 with Verados.

The motors are mounted all the way down ( boat is in the water). The too of the motir mounting bracket is on the top of the transom.

the video of the factory sea trial doesnt show the boat having the issues we are experiencing, thus the question about water type. I wouldn’t have expected any differences.

snowrunner 06-21-2018 09:51 AM

Well, while still waiting on the props - the boat was traded in for a less performance oriented boat brand.

The ownership of Concept is awesome and wanted to make everything right, but the salesman really was terrible to deal with and dropped the ball.

Indy 06-24-2018 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by snowrunner (Post 4633345)
Well, while still waiting on the props - the boat was traded in for a less performance oriented boat brand.

The ownership of Concept is awesome and wanted to make everything right, but the salesman really was terrible to deal with and dropped the ball.

Concept salesman or dealer?

snowrunner 06-24-2018 12:40 PM

Concept salesman. Said none of us knew how to drive the boat. My buddy and his Fam are very nice, were very upset after the delays and didcussions the the salesman had with them.

He never told the owner what was going on, he called to fly up once he heard of the issues continued. Was not kept updated on the issues and ultimate trade of the boat. My buddy was not aware the owner wasn’t informed.

thewilliwaw 01-11-2020 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Dave M (Post 4630643)
The weather has not been cooperating so far this year. I think lowering the motors did help with the handling. Still not perfect. I'm usually riding around 50 mph, and the boat rides nice at that speed.

I am in the sales process for a 2021 Concept 30cc with twin 300 Verados. Now that you have had some time with your boat, can you tell me how the handling is at speed and what top speed you have achieved. Also, what are your impressions of the build quality? Lastly, if you trail your boat, do you have an idea as to the verticle clearance when on the trailer. Any information would be really helpful. Thanks.

Dave M 01-11-2020 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by thewilliwaw (Post 4721393)
I am in the sales process for a 2021 Concept 30cc with twin 300 Verados. Now that you have had some time with your boat, can you tell me how the handling is at speed and what top speed you have achieved. Also, what are your impressions of the build quality? Lastly, if you trail your boat, do you have an idea as to the verticle clearance when on the trailer. Any information would be really helpful. Thanks.

The boat rides great in the 50-60mph range. The best I've seen is 73.1 MPH. It get's a little loose at high speeds, but nothing crazy. I use mine for tubing also, I can maintain 15-25 mph, not completely on plane, but not bow high either.

I am satisfied with the build quality. I had a few gel coat voids on the bottom which were easily fixed. I have a small stress crack on the corner of one of the rear storage compartments. The storage compartments in the floor do not stay dry.

I trailer the boat. The trailer I got from Concept, "Ultimate Trailers" is OK for the price. The boat loads and unloads easily. It tows good too. I towed it back to MD from FL. The top of the arch on the trailer is around 11 feet.

Overall I really like the boat. If I was to do another build I would do the open boat with big console and hard t-top. The cabin is pretty useless to me except for storage. There is a potty down there but my wife complains about it all the time. There is very little head room in the cabin.

thewilliwaw 01-11-2020 12:14 PM

Thanks DaveM. Really appreciate your insights. They are giving me food for thought on making the change from my current Advantage closed bow to a center console. I visited the factory but the only 30 cc there was in the process of being built so it was hard to get a feel for dimensions. My wife likes the couches in our cuddy. The front vberth is a padded storage bin in our boat as well. The ride sounds similar at similar speeds (although the Advantage will just about touch 80). But like your boat, when I get past 65 with trim coming up and I need to pay close attention to what's going on. The real problem is that 11ft height as my storage barn has a 10 foot entrance. Not sure I can change that and am not excited about paying for a new boat and a new barn. Love the look and open spaces on that Concept though and the sound of outboards versus a big block with headers (before I go completely deaf). I guess I am lucky to face these tough decisions. Take care.

dirtlawyer 01-15-2020 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by thewilliwaw (Post 4721422)
The real problem is that 11ft height as my storage barn has a 10 foot entrance.

Talk with Eric or Luis - they have an optional "folding" arch - a friend of mine had it on his 36 as he had a low bridge on his canal that, during high tide, didn't leave enough clearance.
I don't think you'll have any issues with build quality - Concept makes a great boat.

CAPTAINRON 04-01-2020 04:35 PM

I have a 2008 30 with a stepped hull but with bottom paint. I have 225 verados but can't get past mid 50's. I am running 3 blades and i am amazed with the speed you get with a your setup. My motors are in the 4th hole.

Dave M 04-02-2020 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by CAPTAINRON (Post 4731783)
I have a 2008 30 with a stepped hull but with bottom paint. I have 225 verados but can't get past mid 50's. I am running 3 blades and i am amazed with the speed you get with a your setup. My motors are in the 4th hole.

I rode on a 30 (non-step) w/ 225 Optis before deciding to buy my boat. The owner said it ran in the low 60's. What RPM are you seeing? Gear ratio? What pitch prop?




CAPTAINRON 04-09-2020 11:25 AM

6200 RPM 21P props. Not sure of the gear ratio. 2006 225 Verados. Took it out yesterday and really couldn't get it to break 50 MPH.
Maybe bravos will help?
Thanks for your help.

Ron

Dave M 04-10-2020 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by CAPTAINRON (Post 4732810)
6200 RPM 21P props. Not sure of the gear ratio. 2006 225 Verados. Took it out yesterday and really couldn't get it to break 50 MPH.
Maybe bravos will help?
Thanks for your help.

Ron

Your gear ratio is probably 1.75, or 1.85. Either way, your slip is very high, 25+. Maybe your motors are too high for the 3 blades to bite. Do you know where the cavitation plates on the motors are when you are running? I would definitely try bravos. I'm running 24P bravos w/1.85 lowers. My slip is <10%

CAPTAINRON 04-20-2020 10:38 AM

I found 22p bravo 1's had to source two separate props to make a pair so they don't match (one is polished and the other one is not) anyway took it out and got 58 MPH at 6000 RPMs which is so much better. I can feel the lightness you guys are talking about now. Great solution to my problem for the money.
Thanks to all

1989mach1 09-12-2022 07:10 AM

I'm looking at a 07 30 with step and was wondering if the factory adding the setp fixed or helped with the porpoising problem that I hurd the non step 30s had. Any insight on this?

joeya 09-13-2022 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by 1989mach1 (Post 4844611)
I'm looking at a 07 30 with step and was wondering if the factory adding the setp fixed or helped with the porpoising problem that I hurd the non step 30s had. Any insight on this?

The step did help it alot and if you have verado you can run Rev 4's FS which give you stern lift and good handling. I used to work for concept and I did all testing so I can tell you all you want to know.

1989mach1 09-13-2022 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by joeya (Post 4844772)
The step did help it alot and if you have verado you can run Rev 4's FS which give you stern lift and good handling. I used to work for concept and I did all testing so I can tell you all you want to know.

thanks for the response I plan on looking at a 03 and a 07 this week and weekend so i just want to have my ducks in a row befor i go. There is a 14k difference between there asking prices so just looking into every thing I can to figure one or the other or nether. I will be taking my normal tools to look them over and also my moisture meter. The 03 there might be wiggle room on the price but not so sure about the 07 and if there is probably not much.

dirtlawyer 09-20-2022 09:22 AM

The hull on the 30 is a longstanding, proven hull. That being said, I would opt for the stepped hull if both boats are in a similar condition.

FraidKnot 11-07-2022 06:03 PM

Just picked up my 30 open with 300 verados and consistently see 70mph with half a tank of fuel and 2-4 passengers. Have seen 76 with 1/4 tank and just me on the boat but I'm still learning how to run the boat. As previously mentioned the boat doesn't seem to be quite comfortable over about 65


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