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bajabob 01-17-2008 03:19 PM

make my trim tabs longer
 
i have 2piston bennet trim tabs 12 ins long i like to make 20 ins.? would that be all rigth ? did any buddy do this?

rchevelle71 01-17-2008 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by bajabob (Post 2410409)
i have 2piston bendits 12 ins long i like to make 20 in would that be all rigth any buddy do this?

Bendits:D:D:D

not sure if yu were trying to be funny, or if yer spelling sucks, but thats some funny chit:party-smiley-004:

CN24 01-17-2008 07:27 PM

Do you mean Bennet?

bouyhunter 01-17-2008 07:57 PM

Viagra

Chris Sunkin 01-18-2008 07:21 AM

Probably not. Making them significantly longer greatly increases the amount of leverage they're capable of exerting. This means significantly increased pressures on the hinges, mounts and actuators.

excalibur32 01-18-2008 07:27 AM

It will be fine! Sitting.

bajabob 01-18-2008 01:35 PM

yes my spelling sucks i guest there no body out there try to do this ?????????:cool-smiley-027:

VetteLT193 01-18-2008 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by bajabob (Post 2411685)
yes my spelling sucks i guest there no body out there try to do this ?????????:cool-smiley-027:

There is a company that makes new tab plates for the Bennett's in longer sizes. I think they are about $400 for a set... from memory I think they are called 'victory tabs'

The problem with excess force isn't necessarily true, not to mention the bennett rams are used in very large boats with no problems so I highly doubt you'll have a problem there... the biggest thing to understand is you will be asking more from your tabs if you go to the extreme down position so just be careful.

VetteLT193 01-18-2008 02:32 PM

did a quick google, here's the company: http://martiniboat.com/products.htm

looks like they aren't filling orders though... maybe someone else makes them too.

bouyhunter 01-18-2008 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by VetteLT193 (Post 2411811)
did a quick google, here's the company: http://martiniboat.com/products.htm

looks like they aren't filling orders though... maybe someone else makes them too.

Martiniboat used to be a member here.
Brian Kamrath.
He died over a year ago.
Very sad.

I think at first someone (a brother??) was going to take over the business, but I don't think it is operating anymore.

bajabob 01-18-2008 05:16 PM

thanks vettelt193 i went to that site those tabs are perfect they look real good thank you for your time looking this up for me i think if i make them longer than 12 ins it will help from chine walk agian thank you bajabob 600

Audiofn 01-18-2008 09:57 PM

Look for Bennet Sport tabs. I think they come in 20" sizes

f311fr1 01-19-2008 03:53 PM

Yes, I bought some trim pump mounts from Brian about 3 years ago and they were beautiful. Such a sad ending.

twanger 01-21-2008 09:57 AM

I am looking to do the same thing. My Bennetts do not have the bend that runs the chord length. So now they have a slight bow in them. I have dual rams. I have been looking at the STs also just to switch out the bottom parts.

obnoxus 01-21-2008 11:09 AM

I actually have a new set of Victory tabs.

Brian used my boat as a template for mounting and ram position.

I sold my boat before I installed the new tabs.

VetteLT193 01-22-2008 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by bouyhunter (Post 2412122)
Martiniboat used to be a member here.
Brian Kamrath.
He died over a year ago.
Very sad.

I think at first someone (a brother??) was going to take over the business, but I don't think it is operating anymore.

didn't know that, thanks for the info.

mwdill 01-27-2008 03:54 PM

my neighbor had a machine shop make him some that were 20 inch's,(stainless) direct replacement for the bennetts he had they work great now breakage or signs of stress so far, and they have been tested in the Atlantic in 4-5's (26 Donzi), i think he has 200$ in them.

bajabob 01-28-2008 02:02 PM

that not bad price do you no co. or number:cool-smiley-026:

whatabout1 02-08-2008 04:58 PM

Victory is for sale. There is a link on the web site.

So if someone buys them I will take a pair.

formula31 02-12-2008 02:45 AM

I use a pair of Bennets to drive my 280 K planes. Works fine.

kennyo 02-13-2008 08:19 AM

I have a 272 Baja. My tabs are only 11" long. What length should they be to run in the 80's? I never use the ones I have unless i'm going slow and need to push the nose down. I'm assuming rough water is where you would use these, correct?
I was looking at mine and the easiest way I saw to lengthen them was to weld same gauge plate(overlap 11" plus whatever additional length) to the existing tabs to make them longer.

jlaudio29 02-13-2008 06:50 PM

trim tabs arnt something extremly specialy are they? couldnt you take them to a fab shop and have them extend them or make you longer ones? just seems like a simple cut and dry thing, if you lived in florida id do it for damn near nothin

joepaws 02-14-2008 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by bajabob (Post 2410409)
i have 2piston bendits 12 ins long i like to make 20 in would that be all rigth any buddy do this?

get a f u c k i n dickshonary. forget ur trim tabs

bajabob 02-14-2008 03:11 PM

joepaws ii told like your opion:chill-pill::chill-pill: i read your post .maybe you need to talk to people better *******!!! if you don t have !! good words to say :hothead:5 then don t say nothing at all !:cool-smiley-027: you would think you know alot about boats and help boating people out????:readinghelp:i i find from reading your post you are BIG LOSER !!!!JACK ASS!!!!!!!!

CN24 02-14-2008 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by joepaws (Post 2444981)
get a f u c k i n dickshonary. forget ur trim tabs

Dude, give the guy a break. We joked with him in the beginning of the thread, and he admitted his spelling sucks, he's just looking for some help.

oldschoolfan 02-14-2008 06:03 PM

Slowpaws I think you need to get laid!! Or take the prop shaft out of your ass and relax

kennyo 02-14-2008 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by kennyo (Post 2443592)
I have a 272 Baja. My tabs are only 11" long. What length should they be to run in the 80's? I never use the ones I have unless i'm going slow and need to push the nose down. I'm assuming rough water is where you would use these, correct?
I was looking at mine and the easiest way I saw to lengthen them was to weld same gauge plate(overlap 11" plus whatever additional length) to the existing tabs to make them longer.

Hey guys, this is about me now!!!!

jlaudio29 02-14-2008 07:51 PM

my post get totally ignored?

martins custom marin 02-14-2008 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by jlaudio29 (Post 2445731)
my post get totally ignored?

If we were converting a school bus to go to the nascar races the idea would probibly be a good option, that being said if you guys need some replacement tabs for your bennetts I would be glad to build you some trick direct replacement.

jlaudio29 02-14-2008 10:16 PM

Well hopefully youll elaborate on that comment a little more for me, seeing as it didnt really answer my question.

JJONES 02-15-2008 12:31 AM

I did this once on a 30 scarab.It seemed to take forever for something to happen when adjusting the trim.I bought 1/4 in aluminum and cut them to be about 20".I mounted the straight to the bottom of the bennet tabs by drilling holes threw both.I used stainless countersunk bolts and stainless nuts and washers so there would be no drag.I also tappered the leading edge so water flow would be disrupted as little as possible.The seemed to work well and the action was alot quicker when trimming than before.They held up real well also and sold the boat with them on. The cost was about 30 bucks at the time with very minor time involved.When buying the aluminum,most metal shops can cut it to order.

martins custom marin 02-15-2008 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by jlaudio29 (Post 2445919)
Well hopefully youll elaborate on that comment a little more for me, seeing as it didnt really answer my question.

trim tabs are as important to the way your boat will handle as the trim on your out drive or the x-demention, you need to take a ride in a boat that can run at a high rate of speed thru rough water and then you understand how important they are. I have a 28' with single engine and I use the tabs to help get the boat up on plane faster and save wear and tear on the outdrive. Most people on this website I would hope take more pride in there boat than to just simple bolt on a longer piece of material to the existing tab and call it good but I could be wrong.

kennyo 02-15-2008 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by JJONES (Post 2445998)
I did this once on a 30 scarab.It seemed to take forever for something to happen when adjusting the trim.I bought 1/4 in aluminum and cut them to be about 20".I mounted the straight to the bottom of the bennet tabs by drilling holes threw both.I used stainless countersunk bolts and stainless nuts and washers so there would be no drag.I also tappered the leading edge so water flow would be disrupted as little as possible.The seemed to work well and the action was alot quicker when trimming than before.They held up real well also and sold the boat with them on. The cost was about 30 bucks at the time with very minor time involved.When buying the aluminum,most metal shops can cut it to order.

That's what i was talking about. If nothing else just to see if it helps.

288sunny 02-15-2008 08:59 AM

bennett tabs
 
I really wish something could be done with the martini boat place that had a kick ass design replacement for bennett tabs.. it never seems to amaze me that, when you really want something its a day late and a doller short.. i too would like some different tabs for my sunsation and just cant seem to get some.. If i had a metal shop and the skills i would be doing exactly what martini did and i would make a killing, there are so many boats out there that are in need, just need someone to take the ball and run with it..

martins custom, it sounds like you may have some ideas and could possibly make something happen, if this is possible, could you please show us some ideas?

jlaudio29 02-15-2008 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by martins custom marin (Post 2446101)
trim tabs are as important to the way your boat will handle as the trim on your out drive or the x-demention, you need to take a ride in a boat that can run at a high rate of speed thru rough water and then you understand how important they are. I have a 28' with single engine and I use the tabs to help get the boat up on plane faster and save wear and tear on the outdrive. Most people on this website I would hope take more pride in there boat than to just simple bolt on a longer piece of material to the existing tab and call it good but I could be wrong.

Its still a very simpistic design that can be easily fabricated by majority of fab shops, extending the current tab would not hinder performance if done properly, nor would it hurt the performance if a competely new tab was made from scratch.

http://www.martiniboat.com/images/V1...ALL%20Copy.jpg

this design is nothing more then a tapered piece of stainless steel with a mounting bracket/gusset mounting in the middle. this would be very easy to replicate

Also sometimes its Function over fashion.

CN24 02-15-2008 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by jlaudio29 (Post 2445919)
Well hopefully youll elaborate on that comment a little more for me, seeing as it didnt really answer my question.

I think Martins Custom interpreted your post as I did. It sounded as if you would make up some tabs in your shed, for damn near nothing. People that do this stuff for a living value their time and hopefully would do a professional job. Even if the material is not that much the time it takes to make and the years spend mastering the skill to do the job right is what warrants the price. If you can offer a professional job for someone and do it free more power to you. No one is trying to offend you.

288sunny 02-15-2008 05:55 PM

tabs
 
like i said we need someone to take over the martini trim tab design, i think alot of people would scoop them up...really sucks things didnt work out for martini, he had it going on...

smcclay 02-15-2008 06:56 PM

Obnoxus - Do you want to sell the tabs that you have? I'm interested.

jlaudio29 02-16-2008 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by carm (Post 2446808)
I think Martins Custom interpreted your post as I did. It sounded as if you would make up some tabs in your shed, for damn near nothing. People that do this stuff for a living value their time and hopefully would do a professional job. Even if the material is not that much the time it takes to make and the years spend mastering the skill to do the job right is what warrants the price. If you can offer a professional job for someone and do it free more power to you. No one is trying to offend you.

if thats the way he took it then thats perfectly fine, although if you ever see the "tools" in my garage youd be suprised, And i did refer him to go to a local fab shop which i hope would be professional in the workings, as far as when i mention if he was closer that i would do it for him, i work for a Perforancing tuning shop doing all the fabrication we have all the goodies at the shop, Mill, Mig, Tig, Coldsaw etc. so i would be perfectly capable of building a set of trim tabs and actually plan to copy a set of the victory trim tabs when i get more time, unfortunatly im busy building Dyno trailers, ive been fabricating for about 8 years now, so for me to say the design is "simple" definatly comes a total diffrent perspective then most people.

here is a little bit of the work that ive done, with out making the post to long.

this is the dynotrailers that i build with Dynojet224 rollers:
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...9/100_1701.jpg

Start of a equal length header i was building for my truck:
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...9/100_1763.jpg

Turbo manifold for a 2.2 ecotec motor:
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...MAGE_00050.jpg

And this is a tattoo machine that i made from scratch, tattooing is a hobby i took up but cant seem to find time to do it as of late:
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...MAGE_00057.jpg


im sure ill post pics once i get around to making the trim tabs.

launchpad475 07-19-2009 11:40 AM

If you increase the size of the factory trim tab, whatever that may be.. How can you determine that the pressure points on the transom plates can take it since they may or may not be stressed for that?

Seems like most people just bolt on new one's, increase the size of stock tabs without this consideration. That added surface area has to transfer the load somewhere, right?

I have pretty small tabs on mine, just thinking of adding a doubler to slightly increase the size. Don't really have the extra scratch to drop $3K in tabs or K planes right now.

Here is a pic of my 257 Mirage, with small tabs.

Thanks-

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...5/IMG_1213.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...257CMIR016.jpg


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