Steve H., You might want to have an idea about what your talking about before you open your mouth.

*** custommarinefabrications is a scam****

IS SLANDER. yes I dealt with justin, yes his platform took entirely to long, it was mainly my fault but there were other paries involved that made it take longer (which is why I encourage my customers to get their products powdercoated at a location near them). NOBODY tried to rip him off or even argue the fact that he should get a refund so to come on here and try to ruin me is wrong. I'm the one that lost a lot of $$ on the deal, not him. I have had plenty customers say he was slow but it was definately worth the wait.... if you like I will forward you the emails!!

Look I dont have a dog in this fight so I really dont care. But, the lawsuit threat is bs and you know it. And, I have been down this same road with an upholstery guy in my area so I feel for TheDG. $2000 is a lot of money for most of us and I dont blame TheDG one bit.

Why did you not return the mans phone calls????
Being a business man I would hope you know how important communication is especially when something is late. He paid for a platform so he could use it THAT summer, not the next. You got to borrow his money for how many months?

And just how are you out money? Move some brackets around and sell it to the next guy.

I know you don't have a dog in this fight. This shouldn't even be a fight. I'm just trying to stick up for myself because he is lieing and trying to ruin me in front of potential customers, which could be thousands out the window so the lawsuit very well could be real. I know $2k is a lot... even at the real price (I believe$1,250 shipped) it's a lot. I gave my motor to a shop last may, after buying a so called drop in ready motor that was junk and still don't have it back. So I know all too well how it feels to get ripped off. I'm looking at twice on 1 motor. I did take his calls, not all of them. For a while I didn't even have it so I would be telling him the same thing I told him the previous time "still at the powdercoaters". If you even had a clue how much the oval tubing costs you might understand how I'm out of money but I'm not trying to whine about that, it's my loss. Everything I make is custom. He wanted a platform that's bigger than usual and if no one wants that size I can't sell it for full price and simply moving welded brackets around without leaving a mark... come on. I'm not looking for a pissing war but he jumped in another thread starting on me and now this one, most of it b.s.. Tonight's my night with my son and I'm spending to much time defending myself but if I don't everyone says "he's to afraid to even come on here".

FWIW...

1) It's not slander if it's true. I know you don't feel that he got "ripped off" but apparently he does. That is subjective. Judging by the little known facts (the length of time being a breach of contract) I'm sure he could justify his words.

2) You have to prove actual damages to win a slander suit in most jurisdictions. You're going to have to actually compare profits from previous years to prior years, or prove actual loss of transactions to go forward.

3) You're going to have to have him served with process. If he's out of state it is likely the case that this lawsuit isn't ever going to get adjudicated, and you're likely going to have to sue him in his home state, so good luck flying there for every adjournment and trial date.

4) Honestly, you're probably going to have a hard time finding a lawyer to take this case that is probably going to amount to less than $10k on a contingency basis. They're not going to want their 30%, they're going to want their hourly rate. That means you're going to be out $175-300 an hour for each hour an attorney works on this case. You'll likely lose more money than you would have made.

At this point I would say that you've made your point and successfully rebutted the fact that he thinks you ripped him off. He got his money back and you didn't object to that. You could have been better about it though and refunded him cash instead of making him fight Paypal or his Visa card, but in any event the most he is out is writing a free $1,250 loan for a couple of months. Even at a typical court determined interest rate of 10% it works out to be about $20 bux...

I think a simple "I said I was sorry, and I lost out myself" is in order, and both sides should drop this thing.

That said, if you currently have any open transactions (like the one to GRD) I would try to fulfill your obligations in an expedited and professional manner to rehabilitate your reputation and strengthen the amount of good transactions you've had on this board.

Well said!

End of subject

thx

wjb21ndtown, Yes I'm not looking to drag anything into court or waste time and money on a lawer (even though we are in the same state). I just don't want to be bashed just because of a bad transaction. We both lost out. If Justin could just fix what he started on the other thread I will be happy. I do have open transactions with people in this thread and hopefully this hasn't ruined the possibilty of others. I would like to take care of current obligations and move on.

You should have told him you would refund his money instead of telling him to file a paypal claim. That would have been a lot more professional. You could have easily told him that you were still working on the platform and refunded his money until it was completed.

BTW, Libel is written. Slander is spoken.

Your powder coater must really have a thriving business if his lead time is 3 to 4 months.

Maybe TheDG will delete his post at this point. I doubt he really wants to damage your livelihood, especially in this economy.

move on this is wt was posted this thing on water junkie put it on Beware and Stolen

Do you guys want me to delete all those off topic posts? Or I can move them over to the "Beware/Stolen" thread.

Your call. I will waite to hear from "TheDG" and "WaterJunkie"

Jon