454 330 turned into 496 stroker
02-17-2013 | 07:48 PM
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What generation block do you have?
1988 454 thats all i know Make sure they sonic test the block. Its 25 years old and may very well rotted a lot of meat off the cylinder barrels. Especially at .060 over. A 4 bolt block would be better, but not totally necessary.
What exact crankshaft do you have?
stock so far but buying new one. Ok. A scat 4.25 Stroker crank. Rough estimate 700.00or a callies if ue sure you have it micropolished
What rods? Length, brand, style, etc.
manley 6.385 h beam Good Rods. For a few extra bucks I'd upgrade to the ARP2000 bolts.your bolts are fine just make sure you
What pistons do you plan on using? Part number/make
no clue yet. If your running iron heads, your probably gonna want to run a small dome piston, to get you around 9:1 to 9:5:1. A set of SRP's will run around 600.00use srp flat top,with a dome and the stroker will put ;1..not good with iron heads..
What flywheel and balancer do you have?
just stock so far. Since your gonna be going from a external balance, to a internal balance crank, youre old stuff wont work. Your gonna spend about 300-600 dollars here depending on quality. have your weight cut off and have it all ballanced together internally.
What rings are you going to use?
no clue A basic plasma moly ring set probably about 150 buckstotal seal 3
What oil pan are you using?
12 quart i believe Goodgood
Are you going to have the block bored, honed, decked, line honed, clearanced, etc?
yea all the above bored .06 over by kenowa auto in mi .060 not needed 489 has just as much power and a waste of a futu may needed bore jobMachine bill could be 500-1000 bucks depending on level of work to the block. 500 bucks
Next lets move to the top end.
Dart New Blem Iron Eagle
crane gold 1.7
is all i have so far
What valves are you going to use? You'll want a Inconel exhaust valve in a marine engine.
no clue yet Inconel valves roughly 40 bucks ea. So 320.00 in intake valves. Severe duty intakes, about 175 a set of 8. so roughly 500 bucks in valves total. mainly severe duty intakes and inconel exh double the price
What valve springs?
no clue yet A decent set of valve springs for a hyd roller setup around 200 bucks. Step up to tool room springs and almost double that. Plus new retainers,seals and locksisky tool room.
What cam style? Hyd roller or flat tappet?
not sure A Hyd roller cam itself is around 300-400 bucks. Street roller lifters about 325, or endurance morel lifters about 500-600. So hyd roller cam and lifter set, about 1k bucks if you want good stuff. hys roller with moral h/d lifters or isky extreme lifters cam springd and liftrs 1200.00
What intake manifold?
dont remeber what one we were talking about You can do a professional products "hurricane intake". Its almost identical to the dart single plane, but a lot cheaper. About 225 bucks.dart 6200 500.00 bucks
What carburetor?
not sure yet A single 850 or even 950 would work fine. Figure around 500-600 bucks here. c&s dominator 1300.00
What ignition system?
msd is what i have for it dont know what style it is its at my shop yet MSD is goodstock dist with a daytona electronics ignition box,,500.00
Just in this thread, we're up to 4000-5000 dollars. We haven't even got into fasteners, gaskets, oil lines, and so on.way over mt quoat
1988 454 thats all i know Make sure they sonic test the block. Its 25 years old and may very well rotted a lot of meat off the cylinder barrels. Especially at .060 over. A 4 bolt block would be better, but not totally necessary.
What exact crankshaft do you have?
stock so far but buying new one. Ok. A scat 4.25 Stroker crank. Rough estimate 700.00or a callies if ue sure you have it micropolished
What rods? Length, brand, style, etc.
manley 6.385 h beam Good Rods. For a few extra bucks I'd upgrade to the ARP2000 bolts.your bolts are fine just make sure you
What pistons do you plan on using? Part number/make
no clue yet. If your running iron heads, your probably gonna want to run a small dome piston, to get you around 9:1 to 9:5:1. A set of SRP's will run around 600.00use srp flat top,with a dome and the stroker will put ;1..not good with iron heads..
What flywheel and balancer do you have?
just stock so far. Since your gonna be going from a external balance, to a internal balance crank, youre old stuff wont work. Your gonna spend about 300-600 dollars here depending on quality. have your weight cut off and have it all ballanced together internally.
What rings are you going to use?
no clue A basic plasma moly ring set probably about 150 buckstotal seal 3
What oil pan are you using?
12 quart i believe Goodgood
Are you going to have the block bored, honed, decked, line honed, clearanced, etc?
yea all the above bored .06 over by kenowa auto in mi .060 not needed 489 has just as much power and a waste of a futu may needed bore jobMachine bill could be 500-1000 bucks depending on level of work to the block. 500 bucks
Next lets move to the top end.
Dart New Blem Iron Eagle
crane gold 1.7
is all i have so far
What valves are you going to use? You'll want a Inconel exhaust valve in a marine engine.
no clue yet Inconel valves roughly 40 bucks ea. So 320.00 in intake valves. Severe duty intakes, about 175 a set of 8. so roughly 500 bucks in valves total. mainly severe duty intakes and inconel exh double the price
What valve springs?
no clue yet A decent set of valve springs for a hyd roller setup around 200 bucks. Step up to tool room springs and almost double that. Plus new retainers,seals and locksisky tool room.
What cam style? Hyd roller or flat tappet?
not sure A Hyd roller cam itself is around 300-400 bucks. Street roller lifters about 325, or endurance morel lifters about 500-600. So hyd roller cam and lifter set, about 1k bucks if you want good stuff. hys roller with moral h/d lifters or isky extreme lifters cam springd and liftrs 1200.00
What intake manifold?
dont remeber what one we were talking about You can do a professional products "hurricane intake". Its almost identical to the dart single plane, but a lot cheaper. About 225 bucks.dart 6200 500.00 bucks
What carburetor?
not sure yet A single 850 or even 950 would work fine. Figure around 500-600 bucks here. c&s dominator 1300.00
What ignition system?
msd is what i have for it dont know what style it is its at my shop yet MSD is goodstock dist with a daytona electronics ignition box,,500.00
Just in this thread, we're up to 4000-5000 dollars. We haven't even got into fasteners, gaskets, oil lines, and so on.way over mt quoat
02-17-2013 | 11:47 PM
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Not Dyno-ed but its 500 sane HP.
Look over what I did. I spent months researching and putting a package together for the least money possible with out compromising the build. The way I look at it either build a motor within reason or build a Nascar motor. ie; a great super expensive set of heads on a good motor is a waste being you will only get a another 10 to 15hp out of them on a great motor (less on not so great motor) and in a boat that adds up to nothing when you put a extra cooler on board.
Look over what I did. I spent months researching and putting a package together for the least money possible with out compromising the build. The way I look at it either build a motor within reason or build a Nascar motor. ie; a great super expensive set of heads on a good motor is a waste being you will only get a another 10 to 15hp out of them on a great motor (less on not so great motor) and in a boat that adds up to nothing when you put a extra cooler on board.
02-18-2013 | 08:55 AM
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02-18-2013 | 06:59 PM
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hey thunder ur saying if i build it simuler to that build it could have 550-600 hp i was hoppng for anything over 450 hp and be reliable and not have to rebuild it within 50 hrs
02-18-2013 | 07:46 PM
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just a few ways a guy might save a few bucks on a budget build
02-18-2013 | 11:36 PM
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i bet you could shave at least a grand off of that build list on items such as the carb, you could get a used one and rebuild yourself for much less. i wouldnt be scared of a few other used parts like intake, distrib/ignition, rockers and lifters either. i have a 454 block sitting here, i bought a complete engine off craigslist for 350 bucks, it was a 98ish L29 454 4 bolt roller block. that block i sold the efi off of for 250 bucks, exahust manifolds for 75, heads 200, pistons/rods 100 and 75 on the crank. so not only did i not pay for the block but i am up 350 bucks....
just a few ways a guy might save a few bucks on a budget build
just a few ways a guy might save a few bucks on a budget build
