Go Back  Offshoreonly.com > Technical > Do It Yourself, Boating on a Budget
HP500 Valve spring at seat pressure >

HP500 Valve spring at seat pressure

Notices

HP500 Valve spring at seat pressure

Thread Tools
 
Old 08-17-2016 | 09:55 PM
  #21  
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Default

Ya they will but look at the ramp rate of roller cams they open and close the valve very quickly to little pressure roller looses contact over the nose to great of pressure the lifter will out accelerate the plunger effective changing the cam profile. The name of the game with valvetrain is getting everything to react to the cam lobe instantly.

Last edited by JaySoCal; 08-18-2016 at 01:56 AM.
JaySoCal is offline  
Reply
Old 08-17-2016 | 09:57 PM
  #22  
Registered
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,439
Likes: 94
From: yorkville,il
Default

joe,it,s guys like this newbie that make me not want to post anymore.for the record the seat pressure on my 1200 hp 588,s is 210 lbs with hyd roller cam,s,but what do i know?
mike tkach is offline  
Reply
Old 08-17-2016 | 09:59 PM
  #23  
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Default

What lifters are you using

Last edited by JaySoCal; 08-18-2016 at 01:57 AM.
JaySoCal is offline  
Reply
Old 08-17-2016 | 10:01 PM
  #24  
Registered
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,439
Likes: 94
From: yorkville,il
Default

morel 5045.
mike tkach is offline  
Reply
Old 08-17-2016 | 10:03 PM
  #25  
SB
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 14,163
Likes: 3,721
From: On A Dirt Floor
Default

Crane did a reliability / performance test about 10yrs ago with their hr lifters...I posted actual article here on OSO somewhere. They went all the way up to like 250 seat / 500 something open and 7k rpm. They incrementally upped rpm and spring psi's to see where they'd run into issues, which they didn't.

edit in: yes, this was a BBC with it's heavy azz valvetrain and 1.7 rocker ratio
SB is offline  
Reply
Old 08-17-2016 | 10:13 PM
  #26  
SB
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 14,163
Likes: 3,721
From: On A Dirt Floor
Default

Remember the teague hr lifter vs synthetic oil skid article about HP500's ? Well, we all knew it was from too low of spring pressure. Not the oil. He mentioned the same (springs) finally years later.
SB is offline  
Reply
Old 08-17-2016 | 10:13 PM
  #27  
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Default

There is always exceptions. If you look at the original post to the thread it's a production engine. 135 seat would work I didn't have a manual to see they spec'd something diffrent. And would you put stock lifters up to 250 pounds seat pressure. Let's compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Last edited by JaySoCal; 08-18-2016 at 01:57 AM.
JaySoCal is offline  
Reply
Old 08-17-2016 | 10:14 PM
  #28  
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 11,332
Likes: 73
From: chicago
Default

Originally Posted by JaySoCal
There is always exceptions. If you look at the original post to the thread it's a production engine. 135 seat would work I didn't have a manual to see they spec'd something diffrent. And would you put stock lifters up to 250 pounds seat pressure. Let's compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
The HP500 didn't use a "stock" GM lifter from a 454 dually.

Also, really not a "production engine" considering they were hand assembled at mercury racings facility using Crane and other various vendors parts. (crane, dart, holley, etc)
MILD THUNDER is offline  
Reply
Old 08-17-2016 | 10:19 PM
  #29  
Registered
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,439
Likes: 94
From: yorkville,il
Default

Originally Posted by JaySoCal
There is always exceptions. If you look at the original post to the thread it's a production engine. 135 seat would work I didn't have a manual to see they spec'd something diffrent. And would you put stock lifters up to 250 pounds seat pressure. Let's compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
looks like you have all the answers.so tell us what engine you have in your offshore boat and what the boat is.
mike tkach is offline  
Reply
Old 08-17-2016 | 10:24 PM
  #30  
SB
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 14,163
Likes: 3,721
From: On A Dirt Floor
Default

Originally Posted by JaySoCal
There is always exceptions. If you look at the original post to the thread it's a production engine. 135 seat would work I didn't have a manual to see they spec'd something diffrent. And would you put stock lifters up to 250 pounds seat pressure. Let's compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
It was a durability and performance test toshow everyone not to be afraid of running some more psi than the old myth that became a 'standard' of 135lbs/350lbs with their lifters.

You'll destroy a lifter/valvetrain/engine much easier running a little too low spring psi on a marine BBC than you will running a little too high, if there is such a thing. And yes, I know all about lifter plunger bleed down and etc issues with BBC's...very well.

These Crane HR's used in the blue motors don't have the mildest of lobes.
SB is offline  
Reply


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.