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Old 07-14-2018 | 11:58 AM
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OK I get it, you don't want to spend $100 on a critical tool that insures your boat performs correctly and does not blow up. Try this. If at 2500/3000 RPM you are getting 12 deg advance measure the distance on the harmonic balancer from 0 to 12 deg. Double that measurement and make a mark on the balancer, now you have a 24 deg mark. Spin the motor to 3000/3500 RPM and see where your 24 deg mark is. Cheap, easy not real accurate but not terrible either. Good luck
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Old 07-14-2018 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GLENAMY 242SS
OK I get it, you don't want to spend $100 on a critical tool that insures your boat performs correctly and does not blow up. Try this. If at 2500/3000 RPM you are getting 12 deg advance measure the distance on the harmonic balancer from 0 to 12 deg. Double that measurement and make a mark on the balancer, now you have a 24 deg mark. Spin the motor to 3000/3500 RPM and see where your 24 deg mark is. Cheap, easy not real accurate but not terrible either. Good luck
I am in Canada. Nothing is $100. Plus, it’s easy to say spend, but if I can’t afford it right now then I can’t. I have a shop probably better equipped than yours. From metal lathe to every tool needed. I had no need for a timing light for years until this issue.
If I see that timing is not advancing using your method above (which sounds awesome), then what can I do? There is nothing programmable or adjustable. Another module? Local wrecker has dozens of them for cheap all OEM. I guess just st swap till it works?
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Old 07-14-2018 | 12:19 PM
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If you need just set the total to the 24 mark @ 3500 RPM by adjusting the distributor at 3500 RPM. Check the base at idle and I bet it reads about 10-12 deg.
Am I missing something.
Disclaimer: I run a T-Bolt ignition and carb set-up. 34 deg all in base about 10.

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Old 07-14-2018 | 01:37 PM
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BTW: Many sources say to apply the + wire for the timing bypass'wire' set up when engine is running only/ May damage module they say.
Where is one of many sources that mention this:
https://forums.iboats.com/forum/engi...ming-procedure

Again. I just set total, therefore I don't have to use such methods
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Old 07-14-2018 | 01:45 PM
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I'm wrong and should have remembered, module provides 22-23* advance - but comes in ultra fast from 600rpm or so:
Curve and etc is in here:
http://www.boatfix.com/merc/Techbk/95/95HGB4.PDF
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Old 07-14-2018 | 04:26 PM
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EST? Small cap HEI with Delco Voyager module? Module is only good for about 12° advance. It is really a pass car module that has some centrif advance built in to limp mode. You could have another chip that has no advance built into limp mode.
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Old 07-14-2018 | 04:39 PM
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Ok, in a 4cyl you get about 24 degrees. Doable.
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Old 07-14-2018 | 04:54 PM
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first and foremost have to say about the Merc --- this is not a Volvo set up so do not use the Volvo info. the info about this is --- for one Merc uses a shift interupt switch VOLVO DOES NOT. With Merc for this EST --- you have to bypass the shift interupt when checking timing and or setting timing. With that said -- you unplug the shift interupt and plug leads together using a connector wire with bullet connectors. Have no idea if this has been mentioned or not plus nor do I want to read all thru the replies posted. Sorry about that one

Timing lite properly connected -- fully warmed engine -- idle speed 600 rpms install jumper wire between the 2 white leads on the distributor. Next is to by pass the shift interuptor switch. verify that timing does advance to - initial timing 1 BTDC advancing to 12 BTDC + or - 2 degrees next is at 2400 - 2800 rpms --- max total advance should be 23 BTDC + or - 2 degrees.

There you go hope this helps whomever fully the correct OEM info and procedures here . Good luck.

. And again the cam gear is very bad about wollowing out the keyway slot JUST some added info and FYI as well.

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Old 07-14-2018 | 04:58 PM
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Kent Moore sells an EST module tester for anyone interested.
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Old 07-14-2018 | 05:13 PM
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forgot to add the timing chain gets worn out here as well - 400 to 500 hours these engines need alot of attention internally. They also corrode from the outside in very easily from any salt air content
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