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Bajaorlando 08-15-2018 04:53 AM

509 build intake selection
 
Has anyone used a Holley fabricated sheet metal sniper intake?
was curious how it compares the go to single plane victor jr style

Tinkerer 08-15-2018 09:04 PM

How much HP are you shooting for?
I ran the dart intake on mine.

Baja Rooster 08-16-2018 12:08 AM

And don't rule out the RPM airgap. If you're 600hp or under it has proven to haves gobs more torque in the midrange with very little loss on top. I can't answer about the Holley intake though.

Bajaorlando 08-16-2018 04:36 AM

I am hopping for 600 want to keep the rpm’s below 5800
What I have so far eq heads, cmi’s e tops, 1050 dominator 9 to 1 static
i really like the looks of the fab aluminum

Baja Rooster 08-16-2018 12:08 PM

The Sniper intake does look cool. The dual model with twin sniper injectors would be bad ass. I haven’t seen any reviews yet.https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f870796b1.jpeg

Bajaorlando 08-17-2018 12:18 PM

So i started comparing it the a team g and it appears to have a lower operating range than a team g or vic jr
I really think would perform I just wish someone had some real world experience
I called Holley and that was not helpful at all

Baja Rooster 08-17-2018 02:58 PM

It does look cool so I checked it out myself. It seems to be unstable with any sort of heat and the bilge is quite toasty. They seem to be for you weekend hot rodders. I’ll steer clear of it myself.

Baja Rooster 08-17-2018 03:05 PM

This may be interest to you. You can skip on down to where they played with the Team G manifold.


Get More Power from a Chevrolet Performance ZZ502 Crate Engine

CJSYD 08-17-2018 04:18 PM

I second the RPM Airgap but not sure if it would start choking out at the 600hp mark. Would be great in torque averages throughout the curve for sure.

Bajaorlando 08-21-2018 08:46 AM

What is so confusing to me is all the high horse power Merc engines use Vic jr style or open plenum tunnel ram style intakes
but when you look at the operating ranges on paper they would not work

F-2 Speedy 08-21-2018 09:18 AM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...114999615e.jpg
if you go Vic Jr it will need some work, this one was matched to a 525 head

Baja Rooster 08-21-2018 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Bajaorlando (Post 4644929)
What is so confusing to me is all the high horse power Merc engines use Vic jr style or open plenum tunnel ram style intakes
but when you look at the operating ranges on paper they would not work

I *think* had the airgap been around when Merc was doing all of their development it may have been a strong consideration for the 600hp and lower models, but at the time the options were a truck manifold or single plane.

F-2 Speedy is right. I was shocked at how small the Victor Jr ports are when I laid a gasket over them. They leave a lot of material in there so you can match whatever heads you have. The airgap isn’t as bad but I still took some time to hog it out.

Bajaorlando 08-21-2018 06:42 PM

F2
did removing all the meat help?

F-2 Speedy 08-21-2018 06:51 PM

The engine wasn't dyno'd before and after, it just makes sense to port match for flow

Baja Rooster 08-23-2018 10:21 AM

Smitty has done some dyno time with the Victor Jr. You can see his input on the last couple pages of my build thread if your interested.

https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...ml#post4645354

getrdunn 08-29-2018 05:09 PM

At the power your aiming for and your CI I'd tend to go single plane and port match. Dual plane do have awesome torque but think you'll sacrifice at top end. I only mention port matching because of your build. Honestly seen up to 50 hp gains on dyno back to back. Valako will verify. Some builds makes no difference or very minimal. Heck I've even ran Valako raised floor heads with a stock rec port intake and had no power loss. It was a weekend deal to get on the water but interesting. That was with a 454 build though with much less power. Look into the Merlin X intake. I'm not a big fan of them however seems like a lot of guys like them. NA 565 builds I'm using the brodix hv2001 unless I go back to sc. cross section and runner length is something to be considered also. Just my opinion..

Baja Rooster 08-30-2018 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4646391)
At the power your aiming for and your CI I'd tend to go single plane and port match. Dual plane do have awesome torque but think you'll sacrifice at top end. I only mention port matching because of your build. Honestly seen up to 50 hp gains on dyno back to back. Valako will verify. Some builds makes no difference or very minimal. Heck I've even ran Valako raised floor heads with a stock rec port intake and had no power loss. It was a weekend deal to get on the water but interesting. That was with a 454 build though with much less power. Look into the Merlin X intake. I'm not a big fan of them however seems like a lot of guys like them. NA 565 builds I'm using the brodix hv2001 unless I go back to sc. cross section and runner length is something to be considered also. Just my opinion..

Excellent points. I should also note that I do 90% of my boating under the 4K rpms and pull a lot of tubers and wakeboards. If I was going for the last few mph I’d do just as John said. I have an open bow so anything over 60 and I start losing towels, coolers, dogs, etc.

Bajaorlando 08-30-2018 12:38 PM

I really appreciate everyone's thoughts and input, baja and getr have really good points. This is allot of money for me ( doing this twice) so i just want to maximize what i get and learn from other peoples mistakes. i was worried about port matching for some reason i thought that would change the port velocity. Baja I have a extra power steering pump, but it is for a serpentine system

Wobble 08-31-2018 09:51 AM

The brass lined Merlin single plane intake is a solid choice.

Bajaorlando 08-31-2018 09:56 AM

https://www.billmitchellproducts.com...00-marine.html


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Was strongly considering this one, anyone use his stuff


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Wobble 08-31-2018 10:20 AM

That looks like a rebranded Merlin.

SB 08-31-2018 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 4646694)
That looks like a rebranded Merlin.

Same.

Bill Mitchell was part of World Products (WP had the Merlin name) in the sense of BillMitchell Hardcore was the biggest retail/wholesale company for World Products. and then purchased the aluminum product side of World Products. So,most of these are under the BMP name instead of the Merlin name.

That's my memory...as old and decripet as it is. :)

BUP 09-01-2018 11:27 AM

thats correct BM is / was / sells Merlin

BUP 09-01-2018 11:27 AM

https://www.profilerperformance.com

Bajaorlando 09-02-2018 05:58 AM

Has anyone used the manifold in a setup like mine?

Baja Rooster 09-02-2018 10:16 AM

What cam do you have? What boat is this going in?

Bajaorlando 09-03-2018 04:57 AM

33 outlaw
still undecided was thinking of a 741 or a bob m special

Baja Rooster 09-03-2018 09:17 AM

Bob M has been thrashed on here enough, but what pretty much came of it was a lot of his stuff were Crane clones often the 741 being the most used. Teague also copies the Cranes by just a couple degrees here and there to keep the lawyers happy. I went with the Comp Cams 525EFI cam which is the same as the 741 but 114lsa instead of the 112lsa to help fight reversion. My last cam had 110lsa and even with dry to the tip headers my valve seats were getting some rust.

The 33 Outlaw is a Baja favorite. Great boat!

Bajaorlando 09-03-2018 09:48 AM

What kind of power you making?
what kind of exhaust you running
thanks for the complement on my boat
is was a barn find was tied up in a estate dealio
been sitting on a rack in dry storage since 2007 has a little under 100 hrs on hull
needs clean up and interior in cockpit but excited to get working on it

Baja Rooster 09-03-2018 10:35 AM

I haven’t gotten to fire it up yet so who knows, lol. I have Edelbrock Performer RPM heads with a lot of chamber work, 10:1, rpm airgap manifold, CMI headers, 525EFI cam. I’d guess it should be about ~600hp with the heads and manifold topping out there.

The Baja section isn’t as active as it once was, but I’d ask in there about power setups as that’s a popular boat a lot of users may have experience with.

I built my engine for more all around performance, plus I’m already on the edge of what a Bravo drive can handle.

Craney 09-03-2018 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Bajaorlando (Post 4646977)
33 outlaw
still undecided was thinking of a 741 or a bob m special

I get the Bob M special ouch.I guess I should of said I would both cams the same, my fault.

Baja Rooster 09-04-2018 12:03 PM

Post some pics of that 33!

Bajaorlando 09-04-2018 12:20 PM

Not much to look at right now she has been neglected for quite a while.
But when I get started on her rehab i will post progresion pics
still gathering parts

BUP 09-07-2018 04:37 PM

Pro filer intakes

SB 09-07-2018 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4648011)
Pro filer intakes

on a low compression i/o marine 509 ? I would need to see a comparative dyno sheet on that one.

BUP 09-07-2018 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4648013)
on a low compression i/o marine 509 ? I would need to see a comparative dyno sheet on that one.

And you forgot on a low rpm engine to. I was wondering whom would bring that up. I will not disagree but lets see if we can get him to turn it up. to a 7500 rpm engine at 13 to 1 on race gas set up.

Actually I was waiting for someone else to dog me like he always does.

getrdunn 09-10-2018 10:49 PM

After realizing majority of boats use I'd give up a little power and look at the dual plane and go out and have fun. Not worth squeezing every bit of hp out of something that will not see WOT often and you can taylor the build around your needs. I've used dual planes for years and loved them. Again your CI gives you the flexibility without sacrificing a significant amount of power either way.


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