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scottdonzi2004 09-13-2016 07:19 PM

power steering 22c?
 
Sooo... This summer I picked up an 04 22 Classic 496HO MIrage + prop. Bravo 1 X drive. After about 10hours driving time and spending hours on this web site I finally figured out that I need to run about 25% tabs and the boat is a blast to drive. I'm not new to this game with a lifetime of boating experience, but when I first got the boat the handling characteristics were like I can't believe they sell these things. The boat was all over the place?? Now since I think I have it figured out I ran it to 70mph and the boat wanted to pull to the port and I couldnt pull it back with one hand on the wheel even with more port tab down? I have a buddy just down the lake that has an 09 22 Classic same motor, drive with power steering that came factory with the boat, Zeiger Marine was the manufacturer. I drove his boat and wow what a difference and I am assuming that the power steering is what made that difference? One other thing he is running a Rev 4 blade prop? or could that be it? He can take his hands off the wheel at 65 mph and no way would I do that. Any imput would be appreciated guys! Thanks

phragle 09-13-2016 07:35 PM

a decent 4 blade AND full hyd steering both.

If you want to experiment just borrow your buddies prop for an hour....

93viperboy 09-14-2016 06:27 AM

I have a 2005 22c with a 496 HO and I have NO pull even at wot. with the standard steering package that Donzi put in.

scottdonzi2004 09-14-2016 06:33 AM

What prop are you running?

VetteLT193 09-15-2016 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by scottdonzi2004 (Post 4481170)
Sooo... This summer I picked up an 04 22 Classic 496HO MIrage + prop. Bravo 1 X drive. After about 10hours driving time and spending hours on this web site I finally figured out that I need to run about 25% tabs and the boat is a blast to drive. I'm not new to this game with a lifetime of boating experience, but when I first got the boat the handling characteristics were like I can't believe they sell these things. The boat was all over the place?? Now since I think I have it figured out I ran it to 70mph and the boat wanted to pull to the port and I couldnt pull it back with one hand on the wheel even with more port tab down? I have a buddy just down the lake that has an 09 22 Classic same motor, drive with power steering that came factory with the boat, Zeiger Marine was the manufacturer. I drove his boat and wow what a difference and I am assuming that the power steering is what made that difference? One other thing he is running a Rev 4 blade prop? or could that be it? He can take his hands off the wheel at 65 mph and no way would I do that. Any imput would be appreciated guys! Thanks

The 009 edition would have a 1" raised X dimension. You might want to look into a shorty drive. The handling of the boats with the higher X dimensions are better IMO.

External steering will help too. At least a single ram half system which would be the cheapest option

Pat McPherson 09-16-2016 11:34 AM

I run a Rev 4 also; best prop for me that I've tried and I tried a lot of them. I don't think you can get rid of all of the torque steer unless you go to a full hydraulic helm and external pistons. I have the standard cable helm an Merc power steering. No way would I let go of my wheel over 40mph.

scottdonzi2004 09-16-2016 07:51 PM

Thanks guys, that helps alot...

scottdonzi2004 09-17-2016 08:24 AM

How difficult is it installing the external power steering? It's nothing I would do myself but can the average marine mechanic do it or should I take it to a performance boat mechanic? Can anyone suggest one in Michigan?

snave8 09-17-2016 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by scottdonzi2004 (Post 4481170)
Sooo... This summer I picked up an 04 22 Classic 496HO MIrage + prop. Bravo 1 X drive. After about 10hours driving time and spending hours on this web site I finally figured out that I need to run about 25% tabs and the boat is a blast to drive. I'm not new to this game with a lifetime of boating experience, but when I first got the boat the handling characteristics were like I can't believe they sell these things. The boat was all over the place?? Now since I think I have it figured out I ran it to 70mph and the boat wanted to pull to the port and I couldnt pull it back with one hand on the wheel even with more port tab down? I have a buddy just down the lake that has an 09 22 Classic same motor, drive with power steering that came factory with the boat, Zeiger Marine was the manufacturer. I drove his boat and wow what a difference and I am assuming that the power steering is what made that difference? One other thing he is running a Rev 4 blade prop? or could that be it? He can take his hands off the wheel at 65 mph and no way would I do that. Any imput would be appreciated guys! Thanks

I have a 04 model myself.
With the standard Bravo Lower unit the boat handled horribly.
Finally took it to performance Marine in Lake George NY. They told me the drive height in the later model year boats is too low, and I needed a -2" shorty lower unit..........They were right......The boat is a whole different animal with the shorty...Better In EVERY respect.
IMO, there's a reason they raised the drive height, sometime after the 04 model year. It seems like most of the guys that have great handling boats on the forum are either earlier 502's, 454's etc, or later 496's
Performance Marine measured a local 502 classic, and the drive was 1 5/8" higher than mine.
However, I still wouldn't be able to take my hands off the wheel at that speed.

Pat McPherson 09-19-2016 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by VetteLT193 (Post 4481729)

External steering will help too. At least a single ram half system which would be the cheapest option

I'm not sure how external rams help without going with a hydraulic helm?
Stronger yes, but this does nothing for the slop that is in the cable helm. If the gimbal and tiller system is all tight, it should be the same...IMHO

I've been thinking of installing the, "half system" but not sure there is a benefit to the handling of the boat...


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