Sorry for some of the repeat photos my phone is touchy lol
I looked for that hin # and like you said the back of the transom is covered in grey gelcoat the front bunk I don't think is but it was close to getting dark so I didnt pay attention to it . hey theres a pic of this scupper looking pipe in the front bunk got any idea of what that went to ? Also in front of the cc is a cut out I'm not sure but is that where the front tank went ? I took a pic of it . any way let me k now. What ya think thanks

Well , you've got plenty there to keep you occupied for while !
Those 2 through hulls are a bit puzzling . I believe that a longtime back I heard of someone talking about having seen a St Tropez with a small head up in the bow ! Might yours have had one as well at some point ?
One major thing , that console is not from a St Tropez. Someone has pirated one off another boat and butchered it to fit. .It's way too large and high. The St T console is a small unit and much lower. you can also see chopper gun strand layup inside of it , something that you won't see on a St T. That cut out on the sole in front of the console is the under floor storage lazarette. The tank should not intrude into that space , but open it up and have a look . It should not be screwed down in any way . It's supposed to have a lifting eye on it .edit: I must be confused , I see that you did open it . The original rubbing band is gone too.
That's a non trimmable 280 drive. Looks like it's seen a bit of electrolysis but they superseded the 270 drive and are a tad more hydrodynamic .
The pics of the bottom aren't quite sharp enough but I think I can see some stress cracking where I would have expected it to be. It would have been better if the camera angle was at 90deg to the bottom though.
Lord knows where those trim tabs came from but they sure weren't put on at the factory . I also don't like the looks of those screws going through the transom below the waterline.
It sure does look like a complete repower though (at some point a long time ago) .
You'll feel a bit better once you get it cleaned up a bit and see where you're going .

Just as a refresher , here is the link to the thread on the Donzi.net about the sky blue St T that was found in Cannes . The pictures are still available on this thread , unlike mine .
Notice the console . That's what they're supposed to look like on A St T .

I just realized that if you follow that thread along , at post 35 there's a shot of mine showing the bow area and some of the spiffy new candy stripe cushions are visible.

https://www.donzi.net/forums/showthread.php?70123-St-Tropez-coming-from-Cannes&highlight=klub+st+tropez

You da man madbouyz I didnt even notice the Damn cc wasnt correct . is there a way to recreate one or so you think some one has a used one

I guess that it's possible for a really good glass guy to fabricate one from scratch using old photos . That monstrosity would have to come off first though so he can see the recess in the floor where the outer flange of the console fits into and makes it flush with the cockpit sole .
I imagine that a competent person could make one out of composite foam coring and glass . With plenty of fairing and finish work it could even look good enough to be original.
But it probably would cost as much as what you paid for the boat.
Finding used pieces off a St T would be near impossible I would imagine . I was so lucky with both of my projects . They both had all of the original pieces .
But make no mistake about it , you've got a lot of work ahead of you to make that thing sparkle again .

Funny how the more you look at the pics the more you notice.
Someone cared enough to align the screw heads on the trim tabs but there's household PVC piping , complete with plastic shutoff valves , on the engine ! !

Yup I know there's a lot refit to be done buy I'll have to do that one chunk at a time .
as far as that cc I'll be able to build one out of divinasell and triple mat fortunately ive done a lot of glass with but I'm sure it'll be one of those things I do in the winter lol. Plus I still have to have my shop built at my new place so I can tackle all the projects I have so for now I'm going to clean her up fix the mech problems get in the water and see what else poops up . as far as the screws being aligned I'm sure it was an accedently done haha . I'll send some more pics of the bottom in a little bit at the right angle ( crawling under it ) as far as the enclosed head I'm not sure how they would have fit it under there . I'll send some more pics of that area . do you think there's any spec or build blue print some were arround for the cc ?

Hey , if you're handy with glass you could well build something yourself . It would be nice though to have some clear pics of the original and how it fits onto the cockpit floor .
Which brings me to another point . The cockpit tub was very poorly supported underneath and lacked support over the stringers from one side to the other and under the console.
With the driver in the center of the boat as well as the console this resulted in the floor sagging on both sides of the console and causing the floor to actually crack on both sides of the console . Unfortunately there's no pics of your floor , can you recall seeing any of this damage on yours ?
In the end , when I did the complete rebuild on mine , I flipped the floor tub and ground out everything . Surprisingly the old plywood coring was only about 50% bonded in the original build !
Recored the entire floor with foam composite and epoxy and a few layers of glass and now it's like walking on the deck of a navy destroyer.
I was thinking that that engine/drive package resembles a repower that was done on a friend's boat back in the mid-later '70s that I ran a lot . It was a Ford Commander package , maybe 235-255hp with the Volvo 280 drive. It worked very well in that 19 foot deep V. Engines were so simple back then .
But definitely don't try and take on too much at once.Nothing ever gets done properly that way .

I hope all the new photos came thru . hey did they have the battery between the cc and engine compartment ?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...383a8112f4.jpg

Under cc
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...25371b135a.jpg

From front of cc

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...c2bdae5907.jpg

From bow cuddy looking back towards lazzerte
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...077567daab.jpg

Your right this is where the potty went it even still had the threaded rods were it bolted down i think ill send it next
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...aa7b3b2ed9.jpg

Threaded rods

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...17235f4539.jpg

Looks like it might have been light blue ?
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...652047ddf3.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...be1525482e.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b74b8d8df9.jpg

Mid hull stern

The console itself sits on a separate cockpit sole insert that is removable from the rest of the floor. It appears that 'somebody' took the old console out and cut that separate insert at the recess where the old one fitted into .This created a new oblong shaped cutout that they somehow must have fitted the new tank under and then put a board over the top of it to cover it all up.
That's my guess .
If you look at the bottom inside circumference of the 'new console' you can see that it now extends way over the new hole and out onto the non skid areas of the floor , an area that was originally exposed to sunshine and feet .
The battery on mine appeared to have always been in its original location on a platform that was glassed into the hull on the stbd side of the engine utilizing the inner stbd hull side and the top of the stbd stringer at the transom . It's only about 1.5 sq feet but the perfect size for a group 24 series battery. The battery is underneath of the stbd side removable fish box.

I didnt notice any weak spots arround the out side of the old cc but the new monstrosity covers all that lol . in the bottom of the lazzerte there seems to be a plug is this for storage draining ?

So it should be under the fish box on the transom ?

Some of those pics are a bit too close up for me to fully grasp them ! There certainly should be a drain hole at the rear of that lazarette for draining water . Can you imagine if it didn't have one ? I'm presuming that some of those lower pics are under the bottom and I'm looking at old antifouling paint . The one where I think I can make out the rear of the lower strake def shows stress lines but that's not the area I was originally referring to. Still , not surprising to see them there .
I've seen those semi-circular blisters in the gelcoat on both the St T and the Magnum but there's never an older gel finish under them. More likely it's the color (very aged color) of the original first coat of resin that was sprayed on after the gelcoat was applied in the mold .
If yours did at one time have a head in it I'd be amazed. I can't imagine putting one in a 19' open boat , although Matty has an original one in his 19 Hornet . incredible .

Edit; correct , pull out the stbd side fish box. The battery should be under there . When mine arrived here we were miffed as well trying to figure out where it was.

I did pull it out and it's not there but it's just forward of the engine compartment who ever put it there was not thinking . I'll move it back to where yours is that seems like a more mangable spot

Any thoughts as to weather my steering cable is shot or is it the steering box the threaded gear rod is striped it looks like

Do you in fact have the original platform there for it to go on that I mentioned ?
Putting a battery on the center line makes good sense but if it has to go where Donzi intended it to all those years back you just need to get creative with your weight and balance techniques.
When I had the Merc setup I had the trim pump on the port side as well as the trim tab pump to help with balance.
I'd recommend a nice safe setup like a Gil bracket or whatever there is nowadays that fills the same role . Very secure .

Again , hard to tell just by looking at pictures but the steering cable looks like it's been heavily greased . Get a friend and have them rock the steering wheel port and stbd while you stay at the stern (with hatches open and fish boxes removed) and observe the amount of play at the transom connectors.
Also rock the lower unit from the outside right and left and see how much slack there is in the inside at the connections .
I think there's so much going on there that needs rectifying before you run it that the steering is only one small part of the equation .

Ya I thought the same thing well I'll be up here for good next month so I'll be having a 50x80 shop being installed so I'll put her in there and get to work .maybe I'll just move the battery up under the cc so it's easy to get to were it is now I have to remove the engine cover completely to access the battery

Madbouyz can you send me a few oics of your c.c so I can start brain storming the more I look at that console the worse it looks . I spoke to the guy who sold the boat to he said guy before him did it ,it's off a old seabird

Unfortunately all the pics I had no longer exist . It could take a long time before I'm able to get new ones . I'm surprised to hear that console came out of an old Seabird. They were very expensive boats for their time and I'd be shocked to see any chopper gun work in them .
If you go back on to the Donzi.net look around for records and brochures on the old boats . There are two different St T brochures you can look at .One is a light blue and white St T with a white bottom and red bootstripe and the other is a solid red one with white bootstripe . In both pictures you can see the console clearly.
It's just occurred to me that back in the old days when Boat Trader was a monthly paper publication you would often see ads from marine supply liquidators selling loads of bulk windscreens , rails , tanks and even center consoles amongst other stuff. Maybe a search around might locate one of an appropriate size without having to build from scratch. Just a thought .
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the chances that yours had a toilet in it . The picture where you show the two bolts protruding .. is that in the storage locker that's on the forward curved seating platform ? Are there just 2 bolts ?
I've seen a few antiquated marine heads in my time but never one that could possibly fit in there and under the closed hatch

This might be a little help ...


Donzi Literature

The Classic Donzi Registry

Yes the pic is from the hatch just in front of the curved part . it has cut outs that look like they were from a potty and it's about 12 in deep . also that scupper hole with the cap on it is right there . I remember you mentioning that Matty boy had the build sheets from these years do you think he could shed some light on it? And you read my mind as far as buying a used one that maybe close to the st my brother and I were looking at the seabird cc and seeing if we thought cutting that one up , but way to much cutting and piecing together . I was looking at the engine conpartment and love how the eng. Cover comes off and the insert arround mottor lifts out so you have full access .and I beleive the batterys are in the factory spot for my boat it looked just like where there to be I should have took a pic next week I'll post it when I come back and start going through all the mech stuff that I saw . but hey it runs starts on first bump

Amazing that they would be able to squeeze a head in that spot , not to mention that that platform it would bolt to isn't exactly thick and there's very little clearance with the front tank under it.
One of the issues that has to be considered with a 'new' console is that the old floor insert that it fits on has had the original opening made larger. I really wonder what happened to the original one . The St T console is very small compared to most everything else that's out there but who knows what a search could turn up .
Matty could only be of help if you were able to find a hull number and even then I believe that the only real information they reveal is the date of build , engine and maybe who they were ordered by/sold to .

I looked at the photos on donzi reg. And funny thing I don't think mines a 66 the pics of the ST 2 look more like mine so I ran the title # and it came back as a 70 home made lol . but in the pics of the st2 it has the air vents on top of grab some and looks like maybe those trim tabs the pic is fuzzy when I blow it up on my ph . but the hornet pic looks like there on there to. Do know I'm really lost but hey there's no doubt it's an st do you know any thing about the st2 ?

I don't really think there was any changes to the St T that warranted a designation number '2' , I think it's just how the information was loaded on that page that they wanted to separate the two different brochures that are visible . (This is different in the case of the Hornet which WAS eventually produced in a Hornet II and Hornet III models and they were different than the 'Hornet')
For instance , mine has the bowrail and the grab handles that the light blue boat has but it also has all the other common hardware of the first 'St Tropez' and the seller claimed it was a '66 but without numbers we'll never really know. .
It's not uncommon at all from what I hear that over there numbers are issued to an owner by the DMV/Coast Guard or whoever it is to legitimize an older boat that was made without a HIN and when the new owner tries to track down the number it comes up as a home made something or another .

Yup that makes total sense mine doesnt have the bow rail and I don't see any hole were it would have been mounted but who knows what happened all those years ago

And mine never had any vents on the deck either . Fortunately there had been no butchering of mine when I got it so I could easily see how it basically came from the factory.
Spanning the entire production time I don't think there was any different iterations of the St T , I just doubt that any of them were identical .
I'm pretty sure that Brownie ( who was there in the early years) has said before that whatever stuff was laying around the shop floor , they'd use . That's why 2 boats just one number apart could have different things on them .

Here's another useful link clearly showing the original and unmolested St T layout . You can get a really good idea what the console looks like as original .


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Ok that makes sense ive been looking at the pics of the one they labeled st2 and the color looks close to the color coming thru the bubbles in the gelcoat . any way thanks for all your help bro I'm getting in the truck to drive back down to my other place ooh joy lol
were are located I'm in fla

Madbouyz I just found some thing interesting if you look at the last page of the link you sent me for donzi literature there's a price list on that list is a optional head for 124.00 so its possible that they must have a very small head in there lol . I think mine didnt come with a had tank up front on the st2 brosh. It said they only came with a 40 gl tank under console

Can you believe that I've never picked up on that before ?
I did notice that that must have been a 1965 brochure as the attached price list was for 1965 and they only talk about the boat being available in white . So maybe the colored hulls came after 1965 .
I think the fuel capacity listed always says the same amount but I can't recall them ever saying in how many tanks .

The early brosh say 2 tanks equalling 100 or some thing gl the older ones or at least the one labeled st2 says 40 gl weird right ?

Don't think I've ever seen any of the classics 24' and under listed with 100gal tankage twin tanks or not . The Hornets had one large tank that ran from just under/front of our consoles up to the bow area as that space was completely available . But the St T has the storage lazarette smack in the middle of that tunnel so that would be why they had to split the tanks up.
Still , I can't say I ever seen the St T tankage specified as 42 gallons between 2 tanks .

It was a single tank it's on the donzi literature site under st2 they have it listed as a 40 gl tank . some one must have removed my other tank in front because I can see clear back to the lazzerate or it didn't have one .

Like I keep saying , the fuel tank thing is a riddle .
Both of those brochures do say '40 gallon tank' (not pluralized) , One even says 'dipped galvanized tank' and I've never heard of anyone taking an old galvanized tank out of a classic . They were originally terne steel (eventually banned) or anodized aluminum .
I know without a doubt that the front tank on mine was factory , it was aluminum and it was 22 gallons coz nothing else would fit into that space without extending down into the storage lazarette thus the additional 20 gallon tank under the console . A total of 42 gallons
In both of those brochure pics though , there is only one clearly visible fuel fill on the fwd deck so that would lend credence to a single tank but I have no idea how they got a 42 gallon single tank in that spot .
So , if you open or remove the sight gauge fitting on the floor there's nothing at all underneath of it ? If that's the case someone with a lot of skill and patience was able to remove the tank without slicing the boat up .

I agree with you but maybe mine never had one ? Althou that doesn't explain the fuel site gauge does it .one of those pics that's real large is a veiw from the front bow hatch looking back to the lazzerate and there isn't even a wall there at the front of the lazzerate you can see straight back to the tank under the console https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3d230b85da.jpg

So you're saying that there's nothing at all under that platform where a head might once have been bolted and there's no bulkhead in between the stringers at the front end of the storage compartment under the floor in front of the console ?
Is there any sign of grinding once having been done on the inside of those stringers to remove a bulkhead that would have separated the lazarette storage area from the foamed in gas tank area ahead of it ?