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Old 01-06-2008 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388
All are going to eat lower gear sets, ALL
Rob, can you clairify.
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Old 01-06-2008 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by tomcei
thank you Panther
What gimble assy are you running?
Regular HP Merc gimbals.


Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388
All are going to eat lower gear sets, ALL
Yup...no magical recipe can stop it but regular maintenance can save ya from failures!

Here are my lower gears after 100 hrs of ocean time... Shot peen was starting to wear away, no failures but going to replace with new...
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Old 01-06-2008 | 09:26 AM
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Tomcei,keep in mind big,heavy boats chew up/blow apart upper gear sets,with a B-max this becomes a non-issue. High horsepower lighter boats (yours falls in between because its fairly heavy for a single vee) tend to chew up lower gears. The B-max (as has been stated) still uses merc bravo lower gears. Rob has told me his boat goes thru lower gears every 20-40 hours. I have over 1000 hp in a single vee but its even lighter then your boat (27 ft baja). My upper gears in my max worx bravo have over 200 hours on them,some at 750 hp,100 at 950 hp and another 25 at over a 1000,they still look like new. I contemplated going to a B-max several times but I chew up lower gears,not uppers so it wouldn't do much for me except slow me down. My lower gears used to last 10-15 hours,with cryo treatment and surface conditioning they are lasting 40-60 hours (1/2 a season). I hear that the new ht B-max has also done something to the lower stock bravo gears to extend the life but with 950 hp especially if you go to a 32 pitch or taller 4 bladeor a 5 blade expect lower gear failure under 100 hours,probably closer to 40-60. I have been working on this problem for 3 years now and have made gains but nothing that lives 100 hours let alone 200 hours. I spent alot of time testing gears the last 2 years,this past year I took it a step further and began testing gear coatings on top of what was already helping. I'm still in the testing phase with the coatings and have partnered up with bob madera/marine kinetics who has the resources and backing of a professional mettalurgist/test lab that is doing destructive testing/non destructive testing and lab analysis testing on our test gears. We are also working with a top gear manufacturer on a set of replacement billet gears that we hope to begin inital water testing on in the spring and bring to market if durable and viable. Our goal is to present a set of merc replacement lower gears that will last 100 to 200 hours with a 1000 hp. These gears would be the answer for guys like me who run modified bravos and for the most part are only experiencing lower gear failure and for the B-max guys who face the same issues of lower gear failure,Smitty

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Old 01-06-2008 | 10:06 AM
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Thank you very much Smitty
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Old 01-06-2008 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by articfriends
Tomcei,keep in mind big,heavy boats chew up/blow apart upper gear sets,with a B-max this becomes a non-issue. High horsepower lighter boats (yours falls in between because its fairly heavy for a single vee) tend to chew up lower gears.
I tend to agree... Also, high X-dimensions and step bottoms have the same effect.

If you do go with the BMax, ask them to use a SS prop shaft instead of the Carbon Steel Shaft... Even though the shaft is stronger you MUST keep i lubricated at all times.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the lower gear testing goes..... In 2-3 seasons when I'm ready to R&R these drives again, that may be an added benefit!
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Old 01-06-2008 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Panther

If you do go with the BMax, ask them to use a SS prop shaft instead of the Carbon Steel Shaft... Even though the shaft is stronger you MUST keep i lubricated at all times.
What's up w/ that?
Where the prop slides on the splines?
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Old 01-06-2008 | 06:06 PM
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What's up w/ that?
Where the prop slides on the splines?
Nothing really up with it....they went with a carbon steel shaft because it's stronger...the downside is it can/will rust. As long as I keep my shafts lubricated it's not an issue. If you don't like to lube the shafts etc then request an XR stainless shaft instead but realize it may not be as strong....
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Old 01-06-2008 | 09:07 PM
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got it
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Old 01-07-2008 | 08:17 AM
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Just a quick note here.. Imco has a new drive out.. the SCX that looks to be better than the BMax. Larger gears all around. When they are available, I will be offering them to customers.. PM me if you are interested.

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Old 01-07-2008 | 08:35 AM
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If the gears are larger, I wonder why the rating is 750 where as the Bmax is 950?

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