496HOBravoX vs 525EFIBravoXR
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Am about to put down the deposit for my Sunsation 32SSR.
My heart really wants to go for the 525EFI BravoXR package.
Am just worried that the 525 XR package requires much more regular service than the 406HO BravoX package.
How are the lube change intervals of the XR ?
How often does the drive have to come off for lubing, greasing etc.
The Bravo X has permalube and can be run hundreds of hours without coming off....just as long as you lube and grease at the grease points...
I can do oil changes etc. myself but prefer not to have to take off the drive and not to open up the motors.
All input highly appreciated.....
My heart really wants to go for the 525EFI BravoXR package.
Am just worried that the 525 XR package requires much more regular service than the 406HO BravoX package.
How are the lube change intervals of the XR ?
How often does the drive have to come off for lubing, greasing etc.
The Bravo X has permalube and can be run hundreds of hours without coming off....just as long as you lube and grease at the grease points...
I can do oil changes etc. myself but prefer not to have to take off the drive and not to open up the motors.
All input highly appreciated.....
#2
525 good for 300 hrs before top end service.
496's, i have seen them with more than 1000 hrs.
intervals depend on how you run it. i have some people who service every 10 hrs with full synthetic oils. and others at 100. with conventional.
the x or xr drives do not lubeable u joints so you wont need to pull the drive except for storage and to ckeck the bearing and engine alignment which should be done every season.
spark plugs are 100 hrs on the 496 and when required on the 525. fuel filters are the same. 496 's tend to run a little fat so the oil tends to be quite black between chnges.
basicly its a warranty issue 496=5yrs
525=1
496's, i have seen them with more than 1000 hrs.
intervals depend on how you run it. i have some people who service every 10 hrs with full synthetic oils. and others at 100. with conventional.
the x or xr drives do not lubeable u joints so you wont need to pull the drive except for storage and to ckeck the bearing and engine alignment which should be done every season.
spark plugs are 100 hrs on the 496 and when required on the 525. fuel filters are the same. 496 's tend to run a little fat so the oil tends to be quite black between chnges.
basicly its a warranty issue 496=5yrs
525=1
#3
Actually, the only special maintainance (according to the owners manual) that is specified at 300 hours on the 525 is finally replacing the spark plugs!
Top end freshen-ups at such low hours are a rumour that was started by a batch of bad valve springs on HP500´s about 7 years back.
I´ve run both 496HO and 525EFi in my boat and there is no contest. The blue motor is so much better, although both have been 100% reliable. I change the oil every 25 hours on the motor and every 50 on the drive (black or blue motor). I use Mercury oils.
The longer intervals that are recommended for a 496 are only a reference based on the type of recreational boat that they are mostly installed in. With your Sunnny you will be using much of the motor´s potential, and should changing the oils more often, anyway.
Even the 600SCi does not require much special maintainance (I also have the manual in front of me), and Mercury Racing says that the blower motor seeing 6-700 hours without a freshen up.
A recreationally used 525 will see as many hours as a 496 and maybe more, due to the forged internals and hand built quality.
Remember you will be running the 525 at only 75% to acheive the flat out performance of the 496.
The XR is simply stronger than the Bravo 1, but has otherwise no disadvantage. The straight cut gears are a little noisier and absorb a few more hp, but will probably last alot longer, too!
The dock credibility, performance make the upgrade cost worthwhile, and the resale does the rest.
Top end freshen-ups at such low hours are a rumour that was started by a batch of bad valve springs on HP500´s about 7 years back.
I´ve run both 496HO and 525EFi in my boat and there is no contest. The blue motor is so much better, although both have been 100% reliable. I change the oil every 25 hours on the motor and every 50 on the drive (black or blue motor). I use Mercury oils.
The longer intervals that are recommended for a 496 are only a reference based on the type of recreational boat that they are mostly installed in. With your Sunnny you will be using much of the motor´s potential, and should changing the oils more often, anyway.
Even the 600SCi does not require much special maintainance (I also have the manual in front of me), and Mercury Racing says that the blower motor seeing 6-700 hours without a freshen up.
A recreationally used 525 will see as many hours as a 496 and maybe more, due to the forged internals and hand built quality.
Remember you will be running the 525 at only 75% to acheive the flat out performance of the 496.
The XR is simply stronger than the Bravo 1, but has otherwise no disadvantage. The straight cut gears are a little noisier and absorb a few more hp, but will probably last alot longer, too!
The dock credibility, performance make the upgrade cost worthwhile, and the resale does the rest.
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Actually, the only special maintainance (according to the owners manual) that is specified at 300 hours on the 525 is finally replacing the spark plugs!
Top end freshen-ups at such low hours are a rumour that was started by a batch of bad valve springs on HP500´s about 7 years back.
my comments do not come from a manual nor a magazine. they come from being in the industry for the last so many years. and keeping the consumer and mercury happy.
period.
i stand. 496 =5yrs. if your willing to except the speed loss than go for it. or be willing to deal with the requirements of more power.
Top end freshen-ups at such low hours are a rumour that was started by a batch of bad valve springs on HP500´s about 7 years back.
my comments do not come from a manual nor a magazine. they come from being in the industry for the last so many years. and keeping the consumer and mercury happy.
period.
i stand. 496 =5yrs. if your willing to except the speed loss than go for it. or be willing to deal with the requirements of more power.
#5
I respect your (based on hands on experience) viewpoint.
I just cannot see the mild and conservatively set up 525 being treated to the same "temperamental racehorse" attitude that larger more powerful blower motors get, just because it is blue and has "racing" all over it. It is built with the same degree of perfection that the larger motors get, is offered, sealed and certified, to go racing with, but basically is just a blueprinted, better specced version of a similar motor (502)to the 496.
Higher compression ratio, better shaped porting, hotter cam, the headers and a well sorted motor management programm make the 525 do more than the 496, but it is still an ultra solid baseline (and basically the same block and heads as the 600, 662 and 700).
However, I´m quite happy to admit that a boat shop who sees the customers coming in with their little problems to be dealt with, has probably got a better impression of what does go wrong, and why.
I just cannot see the mild and conservatively set up 525 being treated to the same "temperamental racehorse" attitude that larger more powerful blower motors get, just because it is blue and has "racing" all over it. It is built with the same degree of perfection that the larger motors get, is offered, sealed and certified, to go racing with, but basically is just a blueprinted, better specced version of a similar motor (502)to the 496.
Higher compression ratio, better shaped porting, hotter cam, the headers and a well sorted motor management programm make the 525 do more than the 496, but it is still an ultra solid baseline (and basically the same block and heads as the 600, 662 and 700).
However, I´m quite happy to admit that a boat shop who sees the customers coming in with their little problems to be dealt with, has probably got a better impression of what does go wrong, and why.
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I think a lot of it has to do with how the boat is run.
For example, you go out and buy a top of the line sports car with the "hot" motor in it. The car is going to be driven and driven hard. Buy that same car with a motor in that doesn't perform as well and your less likely to mobb around town.
Same situation with the boat. Everytime you've got some tool that wants to "see what you got" your gonna throw the hammer down and it's going to happen more often then you think, why else would one need or want to go with a motor as such.
Bottom line is, if you wanna go faster, have better re-sale and have people stare at your sh!t at the dock, go with some sort of blingy motor. You wanna blend in with every other boat on the lake , go with the HO's.
You also have to consider the fact that the manufacture is probably going to get you for an extra 50K on the twin upgrade..... This may or may not be of concern.
For example, you go out and buy a top of the line sports car with the "hot" motor in it. The car is going to be driven and driven hard. Buy that same car with a motor in that doesn't perform as well and your less likely to mobb around town.
Same situation with the boat. Everytime you've got some tool that wants to "see what you got" your gonna throw the hammer down and it's going to happen more often then you think, why else would one need or want to go with a motor as such.
Bottom line is, if you wanna go faster, have better re-sale and have people stare at your sh!t at the dock, go with some sort of blingy motor. You wanna blend in with every other boat on the lake , go with the HO's.
You also have to consider the fact that the manufacture is probably going to get you for an extra 50K on the twin upgrade..... This may or may not be of concern.
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The 525 package gets my vote. However, I know a few people who got the 496ho's saved the coin. Ran them until they were out of warrenty and then added the Raylar kits for the upgrade. Big savings that way. Especially if you get the itch to go faster in a couple of seasons. Just an idea.
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The 525 package gets my vote. However, I know a few people who got the 496ho's saved the coin. Ran them until they were out of warrenty and then added the Raylar kits for the upgrade. Big savings that way. Especially if you get the itch to go faster in a couple of seasons. Just an idea.
To do it right your into those kits minumum 14K and that's cash money. The kit alone (the one with the cam) is 7K.
No you gotta install it, send your pcm to whipple, make sure your sh!t is dialed.... What I'm trying to say, this is not a back yard project.
Upgrade to the next kit with a new rotating assy cause your gonna want forged internals when you add the SC, naturally.
X 2 = 28K, paid today.
Not to mention... the Raylars aren't really helping the re-sale yet the 525's will.
Buy the 525's and defer that money in your payment. You can do a lot with 28K cash money today.
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warrantys are also good for resale.
also, the typical consumer who buys the 525 wants the noise, the looks, the speed, and usually likes to spin the engine at or near its limits.
looking at it from a scaned brain concept or point of interest,the 2 most common areas of engine operation as for rpm are 0-1200 rpm's and 4500 and up rpms for old blue. where as the 496 usually has most of its time around 3500rpm.
it is easy to get hung up in the hype however when it comes to pulling the trigger the average consumer comes to senses when not the most experienced operator and usually chooses the 496. someone a little mre experienced and say 2yrs into boating at the over 65 mph speed, will usually opt for the 525.
in the past 2 weeks i have reflashed, scanned , preped,or serviced 15 verado 275's, 10 496's and 4 525's and 4 hp 700's. this includes original owners, and boater's whom may have grown as previously stated, and this has led the opinions for my comments.
one thing is for sure this website is a wealth of input and information, so keep on asking and let your fellow oso member's help in your decision,
good luck.
also, the typical consumer who buys the 525 wants the noise, the looks, the speed, and usually likes to spin the engine at or near its limits.
looking at it from a scaned brain concept or point of interest,the 2 most common areas of engine operation as for rpm are 0-1200 rpm's and 4500 and up rpms for old blue. where as the 496 usually has most of its time around 3500rpm.
it is easy to get hung up in the hype however when it comes to pulling the trigger the average consumer comes to senses when not the most experienced operator and usually chooses the 496. someone a little mre experienced and say 2yrs into boating at the over 65 mph speed, will usually opt for the 525.
in the past 2 weeks i have reflashed, scanned , preped,or serviced 15 verado 275's, 10 496's and 4 525's and 4 hp 700's. this includes original owners, and boater's whom may have grown as previously stated, and this has led the opinions for my comments.
one thing is for sure this website is a wealth of input and information, so keep on asking and let your fellow oso member's help in your decision,
good luck.
Last edited by monstaaa; 05-01-2008 at 06:39 PM.



