Changed Drive Gears - X Dimesion too High ? Looking for Advise
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Changed Drive Gears - X Dimesion too High ? Looking for Advise
Background - 38' Powerplay, 750hp, ITS, Bmax Drives.
Boat Originally came with XR's with -2 shorties w/1" spacer installed, 1.5 gears was running 34 Bravo Ones - Speed was around 95 mph
Drives were changed to BMax. Only gears available at the time were 1.32, -2 Shorties w/1/2" spacer 26 Bravo Ones - speed around 90 mph (so says previous owner) I had to 88 mph, RPM still climbing at 5700 so I didn't push it.
Had drives freshened, reinstalled 1.5 gears, left 1/2" spacer in. Boat will NOT plane with 34 or 32. borrowed some 31 - 5 blades to get boat on plane, huge rooster tail now slip thru the roof.
My thought is that with the design of the BMax -2 lower and the increased leverage of the 1.5 gears that I need to drop the drive down. Question is how much ? Do I drop down another 1.5 inches thus negating my shorties.
Looking for some input.
Boat Originally came with XR's with -2 shorties w/1" spacer installed, 1.5 gears was running 34 Bravo Ones - Speed was around 95 mph
Drives were changed to BMax. Only gears available at the time were 1.32, -2 Shorties w/1/2" spacer 26 Bravo Ones - speed around 90 mph (so says previous owner) I had to 88 mph, RPM still climbing at 5700 so I didn't push it.
Had drives freshened, reinstalled 1.5 gears, left 1/2" spacer in. Boat will NOT plane with 34 or 32. borrowed some 31 - 5 blades to get boat on plane, huge rooster tail now slip thru the roof.
My thought is that with the design of the BMax -2 lower and the increased leverage of the 1.5 gears that I need to drop the drive down. Question is how much ? Do I drop down another 1.5 inches thus negating my shorties.
Looking for some input.
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I think only testing will tell for sure.
A 1" bigger spacer made a huge difference on my Pantera. It threw a 6' high rooster at neutral trim and had 24% slip. The added inch of spacer got rid of the rooster except when trimed high and slip dropped to about 16%.
The one thing that strange is the numbers you got from the prior owner. Normally going from a 1.5 to a 1.32 would only be about 4" of pitch difference, not 8" of pitch.
A 1" bigger spacer made a huge difference on my Pantera. It threw a 6' high rooster at neutral trim and had 24% slip. The added inch of spacer got rid of the rooster except when trimed high and slip dropped to about 16%.
The one thing that strange is the numbers you got from the prior owner. Normally going from a 1.5 to a 1.32 would only be about 4" of pitch difference, not 8" of pitch.
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I think only testing will tell for sure.
A 1" bigger spacer made a huge difference on my Pantera. It threw a 6' high rooster at neutral trim and had 24% slip. The added inch of spacer got rid of the rooster except when trimed high and slip dropped to about 16%.
The one thing that strange is the numbers you got from the prior owner. Normally going from a 1.5 to a 1.32 would only be about 4" of pitch difference, not 8" of pitch.
A 1" bigger spacer made a huge difference on my Pantera. It threw a 6' high rooster at neutral trim and had 24% slip. The added inch of spacer got rid of the rooster except when trimed high and slip dropped to about 16%.
The one thing that strange is the numbers you got from the prior owner. Normally going from a 1.5 to a 1.32 would only be about 4" of pitch difference, not 8" of pitch.
All of my research showed the boat originally had XR's 2" shorties with a 1" spacer and 34 Bravo ones. I also feel that the boat was under propped with the 26's it would have easily turned 28's and maybe 30's. I was at 5700 rpm and still climbing when I ran 88. I would like to be @ 5400 - 5500 rpm. The gears were mariginal so I figured time to back to the 1.5's while they were apart. Me feeling is an additional 1" won't be enough, since it already has a 1/2" spacer installed and I probably need an additional 1 1/2". I don't have a measurement for the x dimension, but it appears to be very high.
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I do think you would be better off being a 1/2" too deep, rather than having issues getting on plane. I can tell you I was very surprised at the difference lowering mine an additional 1 inch made.
I am surprised that the gear change made that much of a difference though.
I am surprised that the gear change made that much of a difference though.
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Background - 38' Powerplay, 750hp, ITS, Bmax Drives.
Boat Originally came with XR's with -2 shorties w/1" spacer installed, 1.5 gears was running 34 Bravo Ones - Speed was around 95 mph
Drives were changed to BMax. Only gears available at the time were 1.32, -2 Shorties w/1/2" spacer 26 Bravo Ones - speed around 90 mph (so says previous owner) I had to 88 mph, RPM still climbing at 5700 so I didn't push it.
Had drives freshened, reinstalled 1.5 gears, left 1/2" spacer in. Boat will NOT plane with 34 or 32. borrowed some 31 - 5 blades to get boat on plane, huge rooster tail now slip thru the roof.
My thought is that with the design of the BMax -2 lower and the increased leverage of the 1.5 gears that I need to drop the drive down. Question is how much ? Do I drop down another 1.5 inches thus negating my shorties.
Looking for some input.
Boat Originally came with XR's with -2 shorties w/1" spacer installed, 1.5 gears was running 34 Bravo Ones - Speed was around 95 mph
Drives were changed to BMax. Only gears available at the time were 1.32, -2 Shorties w/1/2" spacer 26 Bravo Ones - speed around 90 mph (so says previous owner) I had to 88 mph, RPM still climbing at 5700 so I didn't push it.
Had drives freshened, reinstalled 1.5 gears, left 1/2" spacer in. Boat will NOT plane with 34 or 32. borrowed some 31 - 5 blades to get boat on plane, huge rooster tail now slip thru the roof.
My thought is that with the design of the BMax -2 lower and the increased leverage of the 1.5 gears that I need to drop the drive down. Question is how much ? Do I drop down another 1.5 inches thus negating my shorties.
Looking for some input.
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I believe that a BMAX vetrical shaft is larger than a standard XR so keep that in mind if you are looking to trade. If memory serves me right, Waconda now owns BMAX and may be able to help you.
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I talked to JMS today. He and waconda are going to swap lowers and do some testing.
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The XR's are not a direct swap for the Bmax's since the Bmax shafts are much larger. My drives are fresh, about an hour and a half on them. Done by waconda (Owner of the Bravo Shop, home of the Bmax).
I'll report back after testing this coming weekend.