Amsoil SVG Severe Lube Water Tolerance?
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Merc states their drive lubes will still work if contaminated by some water like up to ~10% as does Amsoil for their AGM Marine lube. I once had an old outboard that before I repaired it had a persistant water entrance problem from a damaged water pump sealing surface at the drive shaft that confirmed this capability for the Merc lube.
I have been using Redline Shock Proof Gear Lube (Heavy) since 2006 on a new Bravo X1. At that time Redline application chart recommended it for drives. That chart is now gone and Redline currently says not to use this in drives. A post on a diffferent site reported catistrophic drive failure with the Redline lube do to water contamination.
My Redline lube last season tested with 0.5% water vs lab recommendation of <0.1%. and the lube did not look abnormal and the drive had just been rebuilt (do to excessive torque breaking a gear not water in the lube). It is easy enough to get some fishing line wrapped around the propshaft and cut a seal.
The Amsoil SVG appears to be the lube of choice to protect the gears in high hp Brave drives. Does anyone have first hand experience of running a drive with the Amsoil SVG that became contaminated with water?
Just trying to make an informed choice. Thanks for any input on the Amsoil SVG lube vs water.
I have been using Redline Shock Proof Gear Lube (Heavy) since 2006 on a new Bravo X1. At that time Redline application chart recommended it for drives. That chart is now gone and Redline currently says not to use this in drives. A post on a diffferent site reported catistrophic drive failure with the Redline lube do to water contamination.
My Redline lube last season tested with 0.5% water vs lab recommendation of <0.1%. and the lube did not look abnormal and the drive had just been rebuilt (do to excessive torque breaking a gear not water in the lube). It is easy enough to get some fishing line wrapped around the propshaft and cut a seal.
The Amsoil SVG appears to be the lube of choice to protect the gears in high hp Brave drives. Does anyone have first hand experience of running a drive with the Amsoil SVG that became contaminated with water?
Just trying to make an informed choice. Thanks for any input on the Amsoil SVG lube vs water.
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I have been using the Amsoil "Marine lube" for about 6 seasons. I run about 500HP on a Bravo 1 with 550Hrs on the drive. I would like to run the severe gear oil but there is the water issue and also the additive for the cone clutch. I wish they would come out with a "severe gear marine lube".
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I have been using the Amsoil "Marine lube" for about 6 seasons. I run about 500HP on a Bravo 1 with 550Hrs on the drive. I would like to run the severe gear oil but there is the water issue and also the additive for the cone clutch. I wish they would come out with a "severe gear marine lube".
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I used to run the older 80W90 Amsoil Marine Gear Lube. Magnets were always spotless. I also put it in a buddy's 21' runabout with a 5.0L/Alpha. We were boating on the river one day and he popped the hatch and I noticed his gear lube bottle looked like caramel milkshake. I asked him how long it had been like that. He said the last three trips which equated to 15 hours run time. The shift shaft seal was leaking. Bad! A merc tech buddy of mine tore his drive apart and everything looked good. All the gears and bearings were perfect. His drive had 800+ hours on it at the time. Boat had 1100+ hours on it when he sold it and drive was still working like new.
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I used to run the older 80W90 Amsoil Marine Gear Lube. Magnets were always spotless. I also put it in a buddy's 21' runabout with a 5.0L/Alpha. We were boating on the river one day and he popped the hatch and I noticed his gear lube bottle looked like caramel milkshake. I asked him how long it had been like that. He said the last three trips which equated to 15 hours run time. The shift shaft seal was leaking. Bad! A merc tech buddy of mine tore his drive apart and everything looked good. All the gears and bearings were perfect. His drive had 800+ hours on it at the time. Boat had 1100+ hours on it when he sold it and drive was still working like new.
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Interesting independant test results on marine gear lubes:
http://bwbmag.com/output.cfm?id=1891729§ionid=308
http://bwbmag.com/output.cfm?id=1891729§ionid=308
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I just called Amsoil Tech and they couldn't give me a clear cut answer as to the water tolerance of the SVG. They told me they have never had anyone call and say they had a water tolerance issue.
FWIW
FWIW
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If everyone on the board calls Amsoil and request them make a "severe gear marine" maybe we can get it done.
Ok, so I just called Amsoil and talked to there tech line, not sure if it did any good. If any of the bigger dealers have a engineering contact maybe that would help.
Ok, so I just called Amsoil and talked to there tech line, not sure if it did any good. If any of the bigger dealers have a engineering contact maybe that would help.
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Does an outdrive have sprial bevel gears as shown in the photo of the linked article?
I know the lower on my bravo does not.
Sprial bevel gears, ala rear ends of rear rear drive vehicles, do need a better lube...that is why there is GL-5 rated gear lube.
The Evinrude may be GL-5 rated, I do not think the Merc product is and I know the recommended lube for #6 drives is not GL-5.
Ken
I know the lower on my bravo does not.
Sprial bevel gears, ala rear ends of rear rear drive vehicles, do need a better lube...that is why there is GL-5 rated gear lube.
The Evinrude may be GL-5 rated, I do not think the Merc product is and I know the recommended lube for #6 drives is not GL-5.
Ken



