I can get a good look at a steak by sticking my head up the bull's a$$ too, but I typically take the butcher's word for it.

No. Not mouthy at all. This thread was started by someone asking about running the 10w-40 motorcycle oil in a drive. And now somehow its gotten twisted to this NEO oil, which by no means am I saying is a bad product, but I would put the AMSOIL up against it any day, and would like more info on it. I just find it kinda funny that you can't find any good info on the product. Supposedly been around since the 80's, if I remember correctly, and no info? Not even a simple data sheet? I'm glad to hear its working great in your boat. There are a lot of really good products out on the market, but there are equally just as many ****ty ones!

Hey, at least you've provided good substance to this thread!:lolhit:

Per Mr. Gadgets, Royal Purple with 5oz of Prolong Engine Treatment, I would like Mr. Gadget to chime in on the Neo, now I have a stock package but I have never had an issue and trust Mr. Gadget's experience.

still i dont think there motor oil is better than there gear oil http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/agm.aspx

Like they say,teague is prob running the lowest weight oil/lube as its less friction,now also I bet he's inspecting the gears as normal maintance between races,

I agree and I agree. However, this was all about being able to spin 'em that much quicker. Sometimes you've got to give a little to get a little. Thats all. But yes. For absolute protection, the gear oil is the way to go, period!

My lower gears lasted 10-15 hours with royal purple , 20-30 hours with cryo and iso rem,40 to 60 hours with Amsoil with a little Lucas (with the gears treated), I would NEVER run Royal purple in anything truly high performance again after what I have seen and experienced, Smitty

The synthetic I am referencing was a 70 wt Royal purple motor oil. Gpm called up Royal purple and spoke with someone supposedly in the know, they told him the GL rated oils (including their own) "held too much heat" in the gears and the motor oil would work much better, I think they forgot about shear strength/contact patch, less than 3 hours later his gears were destroyed. As far as Amsoil MCF, I have no idea or experience, I do know that some synthetics have the ability to over lap in their applications and ratings due to superior formulation. I have heard of guys running 50 wt Amsoil engine oil in semi truck transmissions, Smitty

I have the NEO-Bravo Shop RPD in a 40 Outlaw with twin 575's. Tom just completed a 130+ mile poker run and decided to drop the oil to see what it looked like at the same time interval as he normally changes drive oil at.
He reported back to me today that there was zero hair on the magnets and the oil was still clear and smelled fresh. He said that normally the oil is ready to be changed and there is hair on the magnets.
I believe he normally used Merc Hi-Po or Amsoil. I've asked him for conformation on brand.

Thats not a 50wt motor oil in the trans'. Its a 50wt transmission fluid.
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ctl.aspx

I have a friend with a freightliner and a expediting box truck and he sells Amsoil and he told me he has heard of guys running there motor oil in semi tractor transmissions and I think he was saying he ran it also. I know of the 50 wt transmission gear oil you talk of though, a buddy called me up a few years ago and was at a auction, he said they had a 55 gallon drum of synthetic trans fluid (pennsoil) and a couple of them smaller keg drums, I had him bid on it for me (I own a transmission shop). Boy was I surprised ( and NOT happy) when he showed up with 50 wt gl rated gear oil meant for semi trucks! I use it in Snowmobile chaincases and a few other things just to get rid of it, I sold some of it too but it was pretty much useless for anything I need. Too thin to put in a rear end or a outdrive, no good to run in a motor, I was a Dumbazz on that one!

I'm going to buy me some of this NEO and see what it does for my drive life, I just finished putting my own drive back together yesterday with some new lower gears, I am ALWAYS willing to try something new. I will report any observations, Smitty

Curiosity is killing me... Out of the few guys that are claiming this crazy expensive Neo oil is the second coming, how many of you are selling it or have some form of vested interest in it?

John from the Bravo shop is the only guy with a vested interest. He put up the $$ to solve a problem.
I have helped him get some of it out there, but am in no way earning a living by talking about it.

Jason, do I buy it from you or the Bravo shop? I also have read that All American drive service is selling it, are they just selling the run of the mill "neo" or are they getting the specially blended stuff from Bravo shop or directly from Neo? I plan on finishing getting boat back together for this season this weekend or in near future, Smitty

Smitty,
I would like to know what lube temps you see with the cooling system..

Thanks
Dick

Dick, I still don't have a temp gauge, I can tell you though the lower gear set I finished off last fall was completely destroyed but most of the bearings in my drive looked almost re-useable, I really think the external oil cooler and filter kept the oil pretty clean. There were no upper bearings that needed to be replaced. I am going to try this oil everyone is talking about this time around. I also am trying a set of 1.36 lower gears for the first time, they are a new set I had around from my previous testing, they were cryoed, isoe'd and DLC coated and I never ran them .I'm hoping boat doesn't tourque roll so bad at high speeds, Smitty

I can tell you that The Bravo Shop oil is made just for us with the additives we spec-ed out for each of the 3 lubes we make. And the only way to buy it is though The Bravo Shop Or if you are in the south Jason is selling it for me. I hope to have someone at LOTO selling it in about a month. As far as info on the oil goes it all takes time, if you have ever went out and done anything even close to this you would know what I'm talking about. Flier's, labels, testing is all very expense and time consuming. This is not the only thing I have to do so bear with me and I will get it all out to who ever would like to see it.
I'm in the same boat as the rest of you but with 3 drives and a terd of a boat, I also needed a fix for gear problems.

So you are selling it and/or have a vested interest in it. Same can ovbiously be said for John/waconda... Who's the third person that will be selling it? I dont doubt it's a decent product, but it's nice to know who might have a biased opinion when reading reviews. ;)

No more Royal Purple for me either. I have switched to the Neo oil and we'll see how it goes... Hopefully I can get a full season out of my drives. I plan on checking it at the 10 hour mark and the clock starts this weekend. Should have 10 hours on it by Memorial day.

I have been corrected on the gearlube. I can get REGULAR NEO. The Bravo shop has a custom blend that they sell.

NEO with the Bravo Shop add pack or just NEO? There is a difference.

I do sell it. How many gallons do you want?

+1 :coolcowboy:

+2

Im going with the Amsoil Severe Gear and Lucas blend...I've been using Royal Purple.

Smitty I have not sent you anything so please don't say you are using Bravo Shop Neo oil, their car oil is not the same product as we make and I don't want you having a problem and associating the oil you buy with the oil we have made just for us.
Thanks.

0.00 gallons. I'll hold out for a lot more info, testing, and history... especialy at these prices!

I was just looking for full disclosure so I know who's comments and reviews to weigh how heavily. I see a few people raving about this oil over and over... of these few people, a couple so far are selling it.

If I wasn't selling it or telling you about it how would you get to know anything about it? As I stated before I also was having a lot of gear failures and after treating gears and looking at making new gears and spending lots of $$ on testings different gears and materials there had to be a better solution to this problem. So this is what I came up with.

You are more then welcome to have a oil company build you something for your drive and I hope it works for you. I'm not forcing you to buy it just telling you about it to save you some cash in repairs.
You can call me if you'd like, I will be happy to answer any questions you have.

Again, nothing personal... I just wanted to understand the source(s) of the info being provided here. Obviously third party testing and info tends to be a little less biased.

I look forward to more independent info and I wish you the best of luck with your product! :)

Somebody PM me some contact info and pricing.
I would like to try some. New Teague uppers w 1 hr only.

Neo this or Neo that... All I know is that Royal Purple is not going back in my drives. I run a Porsche dealer and we have a racing division and I purchased Neo 75W90RHD from my supplier and that is what I am going to run in my drives.

So as I understand it, someone is taking Neo gearlube and adding more stuff to it ??? So then if they are modifying it, then it really isn't Neo any more is it ????

I'm bowing out of this fight here. You guys will know if the oil does not work for me. For now I am going back to working on some gears that don't break as often.


Smitty

Neo is making this formula for us so yes it is Neo. I guess you can say a Rev-ed up version.
Keep us posted on the gear making!

Please let us know who ends up carrying it at LOTO. Berger's would be nice as it is close!

I bit the bullet and thanks to Jason and the Bravo shop I have 5 gallons coming, it's only money! ANYTHING that will make the gears last longer is worth trying, I think I have destroyed/wore out at least 15 sets of lower gears, the idea of possibly getting closer to 100 hours from a set is VERY appealing to me, Smitty

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I find it amazing that you don't break uppers, only lowers. For me it is the opposite. I break teeth clean off of the port drive upper gears. And I ease it up on plane and never air it out. I just have a lot of torque !!

Are you spinning in or out? I would always break uppers on the Stbd. side and I spin in.

not diming anybody out but when you keep pushing your drives and engines way past what their designed for $200 a gallon fluid isnt going to do anything but add to the overall maint cost of your boat

I spin out. I'm sure since the port drive uses the top gear in forward that there is top cap flex to a degree. My deal is that I completely snap the whole tooth off. It breaks at the base. My motors make over 900 ft lbs torque so that is the issue.


And yes all of us with big power know we are far exceeding the limits of the drives. But the should hold up for a little longer in my opinion. That is why I am trying make stronger upper gear sets right now.

On the surface what your saying would appear to be true BUT in actuality you are wrong. I have ran 750hp, then 950 hp and currently 1050 to 1100 hp (depending on my blower pulley) thru my max worx drive, I currently have the same upper gears I bought 8 or 9 years ago approaching 400 hours. Lower gears have always been a different story, when I had 750 hp they would last a whole season before failing (50-100 hours), When I increased my power to 950 they would last closer to 20-25 hours, when I went to 1050 plus hp they would last closer to 10 hours. I always ran Royal purple oil on the advice of "experts". I tried having additional heat treating done to my gears, diamond like coating and Cryo/iso finishing. I found that a set of Cryo/iso'd gears would last 20-30 hours-about a half of a season, I switched to a mix of Amsoil/lucas addittive and instantly my gears were lasting 40-60 hours before failing, a big improvement. If the Neo oil does give me a longer life span on my gears it WOULD be worth 200$ a gallon (although its actually only around 90$ a gallon). You could tell me I should have bought a imco scx or a B-max but when I started running this kind of power years ago the scx did not exist nor did any of the other current offerings and the B-max suffered from quality control problems and still used stock mercruiser bravo lower gears anyways and upper failure has never been a problem for me anyways. Necessity is the mother of invention and If the new owner of B-max has formulated a specially blended oil that increases gear life then that is a great thing, I have a serious investment in my current drive so I am not switching any time soon , my boat is getting old and I'm not going to dump another 15 or 20 K in a better drive. Now, will this new oil keep a Bravo based drive from shearing off a shaft or blowing up any of the other stock, non-upgraded parts, of course not but I am way past that, Smitty