TRS spins in neutral???
 

Coming back from PIB my port motor rev'd higher then the starboard as I was trying to get on plane, it felt as if the tranny was slipping. When I got home there was hardly any fluid in tranny so I figured the lack of fluid was causing the slip. I added fluid and made sure I was full of drive oil too. I also Checked the prop hub to make sure I didn't spin it. I didn't hit anything but I figured Id check it anyway.

When the motor fired up the prop started to spin on it's own, as if it was in gear at it's slowest speed. When I piut it in gear it went faster. When I put it in reverse it got ugly. Started making a clanking noise. My gf thinks it's the prop making the noise so I thought maybe I didn't put it back on right. I myself think the noise was coming from the tranny. Hard to say cause I was in the boat she was behind in the driveway. I did over fill the the tranny so I sucked some of it out and redid the prop but haven't fired it up. I was tired and frustrated.

Any thoughts?

Sounds like you cooked the trans...

If it was low on fluid and slipping my guess is you fried/melted the clutches.

TRS will sometimes spin very slowly in neutral when on the trailer, but they should not spin very fast. Time to pull the trans and go through it. :(

Yep.

When you say slow how slow. This turns about one turn every second. Should I go ahead and look for a new trans. Any ideas where.

I guess I should of checked the level each time I used it but who would of thought a surveyor would of missed a leaky trans and you would think that the owner would have gave me a heads up, but then again I probably would not have bought it.

When you tried to put the boat in reverse, did you wait for the prop to slow again before you shifted?

Was your drive in the "trailer" position?

Maybe you will get lucky and the noise you heard was your U-Joints clattering if you had the drive all the way up.

I seriously doubt your trans escaped damage, but it can't hurt to fill it up with fluid and see what happens.

If it was slipping for more than a few seconds, I'm sure it overheated the clutches.

Clutches cannot tolerate low/too hot fluid. Don't bother taking back to lake, it needs to come out.

Drives aren't in trailer mode. Indicators show them a 9. The prop never stopped in neutral just kept spinning. I put it in forward then neutral, waited a couple of seconds then reverse then back to neutral. This would prob explain why it's harder to spin the prop by hand, I'm turning the trans too? So would using the boat with just forward be a bad idea?

I was told that the velvet trans can be rebuilt does anyone know if the motor has to be pulled or just the drive?

The trans is actually very simple. Any competent transmission shop should be able to overhaul it. You should not use the boat until you get it fixed, if it's slipping it's not going to hold together very long under load. I'm surprised you could even get on plane.

Unfortunately the engine has to come out to get the trans unbolted. You may have enough room to slide the motor forward enough to unbolt it, but in my opinion it's just easier to pull the whole assembly.

It's not the endo of the world, and the parts are not brutally expensive. Good luck!

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I just got off the phone with pier 53 in Sandusky and they seemed pretty knowledgeable. Claimed they could get it done in a day and depending which model TRS I have they could just have one sent and send mine back like a core. Soonest they could get me in is Friday.

Guess it's a good time to get my flywheel replaced seeing how there are some teeth missing.

Glad they can get you in and not ruin the rest of your season.

I take it you are a Lake Erie boater? Hopefully we will see you at the bay sometime soon :drink:

I just saw your from Granville. I live up in Delaware. Small world. Do you go to alum at all. We were just at the bay for Xmas in July. Were u there?

We missed xmas in July, but we are up there on B-dock often. We spend a lot of time at Buckeye Lake when we are not up north. I've been to alum a few times but Buckeye is closer to us and most of our friends boat there.

Hope your trans issue works out as painless as possible. I'd offer to give you a hand and get you up and running; but my shop is all packed up for moving so I'm out of commission for a while.

Model number on the velvet drive is 10-18-014. Guy at pier 53 said it should be like 71 or 72? Hope he can find a replacement.

10-18-014 is a 72c if my memory serves me correctly.

Correct. 10-18 would be a 72C and tag will be green. 71 would be a 10-17 and have a red tag.

Not wanting to thread jack, but I have similar issue except Im running cut down chrysler torque flights. spins alittle less than half speed in nuetral, anyone have any experiance with these trannys?

Assuming your talking about when it's on the trailer. It's not unusual for the prop to spin in nuetral with no load on it in boats with transmissions. However it shouldn't spin when in the water. What kind of drive setup is this? Sterndrive, V-drive, inboard. Never heard of torque flights being used before. Is it just one forward gear or does it actually shift?

Im running TRS's and they still spin in the water. I dont have a complete nuetral in the water. I still travel along at about 2.5 miles an hour. in drive I do 5-7. to stay still i have to work the shifters back and forth.

I can understand when its on the trailer and no load, but in the water?

They are just 1 gear. used for forward neutral and reverse. They seem to work great other than being heavy and still spin. No torque converter, jusst a flex flywheel with a spring pack bolted to it to absorb the impact on shifting.

If I could post pictures I would.

Are you absolutely sure about these being chrysler trannies? TRS's came with either a Borg-Warner or a Merc Trans ll. I can't see how they could ever couple them to a TRS unless their set forward more and use a custom made drive shaft running to the transom plate like in a staggered engine setup. Does the tail stock of the tranny mount directly into the transom plate? Is the trans and flywheel bellhousing all one piece or are they 2 seperate pieces.
Here is a Merc Trans ll, their all 1 piece:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCURY-MERC...s_Gear&vxp=mtr

Here is a B-W, the bellhousing is seperate on them:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercruiser-T...s_Gear&vxp=mtr

Note how the tail stocks are made to fit into the transon plate. Then the drive's input shaft goes directly into the transmission tailstock.
I just can't imagine why anyone would go to the trouble to convert a chrysler trans to use when a B-W is plenty stronge.

Anyway reguardless of what trans it is it sounds as if the clutch plates in the forward clutch pack are warped causing them to drag when they are not compressed together in neutral as they do compress together when in forward.

I'd love to see some pics of this trans setup. If you like send me some. Jim [email protected]

Ok, my trannys dont go to the transom plate. They are set about 6 inches forward of the transom plate. I do have a drive shaft may be custom dont know.


Cant see ebay pics at work but here are the pics i have posted on another forum.

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forum...1&d=1308867535


Ill get some better pics this weekend. I have one engine pulled and in the process of rebuilding.

Wow, now that is different. Someone did a lot of work to set that up. Looking forward to some more pics!

These were built here in California by a guy named Art Carr. He has done many of them from my understanding.

Still first time I ever seen or heard of it also. They are very heavy but should be pretty indestructible. Torrqueflites are some very stout trannies.

OK, I've heard of Art Carr. He's been around a long time in the drag racing world.

Here are some more pics of the setup


http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...223_132153.jpg



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http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...223_132021.jpg


http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...111_140741.jpg

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and Here is what it is in.


http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...1/IMG_0759.jpg

Deffinately different. First TRS I've ever seen set up like that. Never would have believed it with out seeing the pics. Thanks for posting them! Nice ride!

Thanks.

trannies seem really good, just would like to have a real neutral.

Thanks.

trannies seem really good, just would like to have a real neutral.

You could probably take them to a shop that does hi-perf transmissions and tell them your exact problem and I would think they could correct them. I would think the clutch packs are set up too tight or the clutchs are warped causing them to drag.

yeah, I asked art carr about it, seeing as he is the one that build them. He thinks it the clutch clearances.

Did you find out the problem? You might want to call the guy out of medina, oh. I believe his number is on this thread. He does everything in shop. I should of taken mine there would of been way cheaper and less down time. Pier 53 put me on the back burner to there seasonal dock holders which cost me two weekends. Plus they had another shop rebuild my tranny. On top of that they didn't notice the broken spark plug when they pulled the motor... Or did they break it hmmmm:cartman:

Im starting to think my trannys are B&M 2 speeds but I dont know how to make them shift. from the pictures I have seen mine look just like them.

Hey guys. Been a while. Have not had a chance to get this straightened out as have had to rebuild both motors. and replace a gimble ring. Only get weekends to work on this. They are 2 speed B&M transmissions. they are electricaly shifted into a low gear. otherwise they are always in a 1:1 configuration. Basically a direct drive. One drive does spin faster in neutral than the other. once I get everything else together and working, I will check into this.

Been a long road with this boat. Im having to take care of 10 years or so of neglect and fix everything basically.