Originally Posted by mkrytiuk (Post 3516219)

Thank you all for the information. I currently am in talks to purchase a 42 Lightning with staggered 900s and #6's.

If it doesnt go through, I will be looking to have the ASD put on the back of the boat. I absolutely love the boat, it has fresh 850's that I will de-tune to 700 hp. Then I will sell my current brand new Bravo XR's that I have on the boat.

Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 3517144)

I guess I need to sumerize the thread for all the lazy people who skim read. Next week I will submit a book on tape for ya! LOL, HA HA, Just Joking! (to make sure I don't hurt anyones feelings this is all in fun)

mkrytiuk has xr drives with -2 IMCO lowers, twin 850 hp, looking to upgrade "not cost an arm and a leg"

waconda AKA owner of BMAX drives

"With only 850hp in a 35 fountain the is no need to drop a lot of $$$$ on something you don't need or that is way over kill.
The Bmax will work perfect on that application and you won't be with out your boat for months putting it in and spending precious summer time trying to dial it in. JMHO.

This comment started the whole problem. Someone who does not advertise, endorsing their own product, putting down other products, getting sarcastic with RIK from arneson, not listening to what the OP wants. He does not want to "grandma the throttles" I agree. It would be like having a Viper and granny shifting! If my trans and rear axle can not handle powershifting then what the hell do I have a sports car for??? Might as well drive a automatic luxury car then.

OP does not want xr gears which are in the bmax, especially for that kind of money.

Cheap but gaining strength would buy those used SCX drives that just went for sale in the swap shop, and use his SC lowers for now.

Arneson conversion would be next on the list since its the EASY way to put surface drives on, and we all know fountains love surface drives, high x dimensions, etc.

So John "waconda" knows everything about the arneson but was not being sarcastic when he asked about the size of the #6 gears???? He post on here his boat does 104 but on SOS it does 99 and at LOTO it ran 89.

So lets double check this. Looks like JOHN started chit on this thread with RIK, Started chit with me, and won't even listen to what the customer wants???

Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 3517144)

I guess I need to sumerize the thread for all the lazy people who skim read. Next week I will submit a book on tape for ya! LOL, HA HA, Just Joking! (to make sure I don't hurt anyones feelings this is all in fun)

Again, sorry... Lol

mkrytiuk has xr drives with -2 IMCO lowers, twin 850 hp, looking to upgrade "not cost an arm and a leg"

Enter the fact that begins the thread.

waconda AKA owner of BMAX drives

"With only 850hp in a 35 fountain the is no need to drop a lot of $$$$ on something you don't need or that is way over kill.
The Bmax will work perfect on that application and you won't be with out your boat for months putting it in and spending precious summer time trying to dial it in. JMHO.

850 ea in a 35 fountain could live for a relatively long time with xr's and sc lowers, or practically forever with something better- such as an scx, bmax, or arneson.

This comment started the whole problem. Someone who does not advertise, endorsing their own product, putting down other products, getting sarcastic with RIK from arneson, not listening to what the OP wants. He does not want to "grandma the throttles" I agree. It would be like having a Viper and granny shifting! If my trans and rear axle can not handle powershifting then what the hell do I have a sports car for??? Might as well drive a automatic luxury car then.

Good point, why bother if you can't have fun.

OP does not want xr gears which are in the bmax, especially for that kind of money.

Xr gears are in the lowers of everyone's drives, I really do believe what case is used makes a difference to how strong the gears appear to be. I firmly believe that xr gears aren't always the culprit in a major failure, even though at first sight they seem to be. I also feel that how they are installed makes a difference. Ask mr gadgets, nobody here seems to question his knowledge.

Cheap but gaining strength would buy those used SCX drives that just went for sale in the swap shop, and use his SC lowers for now.

In my experience, the sc lower has been problematic for me. I have a couplensc cases here that split vertically along the vertical shaft. Makes me wonder if the bearing races aren't strong enough, allowing things to move enough to let the gears bind under higher hp loads. Never had a problem with them until I exceeded 1000 hand started spinning bigger wheels.

Arneson conversion would be next on the list since its the EASY way to put surface drives on, and we all know fountains love surface drives, high x dimensions, etc.

Fair enough.
So John "waconda" knows everything about the arneson but was not being sarcastic when he asked about the size of the #6 gears???? He post on here his boat does 104 but on SOS it does 99 and at LOTO it ran 89.

I don't follow SOS, so I can't comment. I have pictures of johns speedo that show 103, on my phone. Not to say that it wasn't a fluke, but I have no reason to question it.

So lets double check this. Looks like JOHN started chit on this thread with RIK, Started chit with me, and won't even listen to what the customer wants???

Originally Posted by A.O. Razor (Post 3517178)

Ivrepoman.

In your post you mention setup and prop issues. May I ask what kind of issues you are thinking of? The reason why I ask is because I'm not sure I follow you. Anytime you change drives, that being to a Bmax, SCX, ASD, you will always have to spend time dialing it in. This then leads to the second part - props. Are you refering to the prices of the Merc and Hering cleavers? Props are part of dialing in, so whatever you do, biggest chance is that you'll need new props no matter what. A thing nobody has mentioned in this thread is, that on smaller applications the Arnies can run bravo style props, so a smaller twin setup does not always mean 10 grand spend on props. Rik will have to step in here, since I don't know when and where this is the way to go. The way I see it, setup and new props are not issues, but facts of boating life when altering the setup.

I could be wrong, but some of us have smaller single engine boats that seem to be a little more critical of setup. For instance- mine. Not to say that my boat is the most extreme thing on the water, but it's an older boat that was built without a lot of the technology available now in it's hull design. Some guys can get away with surface drives, or even just very high x dims. My propshaft cl is 3 1/2" below the tip of the keel on mine. In my opinion, not very high. With that said, I have a very hard time getting on plane, even with a full blade Maximus and a short ratio. MY boat likes a slightly deeper setup for planing, but gets extremely violent when I drop it deeper. 1" deeper didn't help planing, but caused some handling issues. 2" deeper helped planing a lot, but almost caused my early death over a 1 foot swell. I'm sure that a surface setup with a much larger diameter prop would change the rules a little, but at what cost? I guess the bottom line is that what don't know scares me a bit. I love my boat, but I'm already pushing things way over the line, and taking a risk every time I fire it up. I just don't know if I'm willing to spend yet another 25k or more, to experiment with something that could honestly makes things worse- in my particular application.

Good post BTW :ernaehrung004:

Thank you, I really didn't intend to be so long winded.




Another thing.

I agree with offshorex. Dialing in is part of the fun(95% of the time anyway:D) That is also why I don't get this part, at all.

It can be.

"you won't be with out your boat for months putting it in and spending precious summer time trying to dial it in. JMHO"

Since when has it taken months to install a set of arnesons? It takes 2-3 weeks, sometimes less. Dialing in is not downtime, but a broken drive is. You can still do boating with friends and family when dialing in, you need to. How else would you know what the boat will do with different loads if you don't? An interesting thing to consider is, that many actually put more hr's on their boat the season they dial it in than when it's dialed. So to sum up. You get to play around with you boat, see what it is capable of, alone and with others, as I think is fun, maybe you'll get more hr's on the water than you normally would. And the best part for last. You sometimes get to learn how to drive your boat all over again, and to me, that has always been the most exciting part.

Install time for someone that has the ability seems pretty straight forward. For someone without the ability, that means taking it to someone to do it. I can't think of any more than 1 person in Vegas I would bring a project like that to, and he's busy- and expensive. Sometimes the line to get in is the worst part. And for someone factoring total cost, the cost of the install puts it beyond a reasonable budget.

Oh yes, I can see why all that is sooo bad:rolleyes:



Sounds like a nice ride. What are the details. Motor manu, year ect.
Why do you want to detune to 700 if you stick with the 35 and go arnies?

Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 3517151)

ivrepoman

Your boat is sweet! Any OSOer would be proud to own it just as if we owned the mercedes MTI.

No need to be sorry for the rant, thats what the open forums is all about. Perfect place for us passionate powerboaters to share our feelings, ideas, advice, etc.

Yes #6 drives break, it sucks, the boats also have more power, longer, heavier, driven much different, wrenched on much different, etc. NO machine is bulletproof.

Who started being sarcastic again? Your bff john

Arnesons are awesome but also do have downfalls, they are machines. There are options on upgrading transmissions though. Would I use one on a single, prob not. Set up on any speed boat takes dialing in, thats the fun part! You cant tell me your done with yours forever. ( BTW have you talked to cutting edge prop yet)

Never done, at least not until I achieve my goal.

Holding off on working with cutting edge, they've been doing some work for a friend of mine with a similar setup- coincidentally who works for imco. I'm not overly impressed with what they've sent him so far, I'm gonna wait until they're done with his to form a valid opinion. I've been pretty comfortable with Brett at b-blades though.

Neo oil is prob good oil, but not magic oil that makes a bravo style drive last forever, nor is it night and day different then any other good oil,(besides merc junk!)

I agree, never said it was.

If you re read all my post I am trying to have fun and not personally attack anyone who I thought could not handle it. I pay alot of attention to the black thunder thread on SOS and those guys tease each other more then any other boat manufacture group. I think the only reason SOS exist is for the black thunder crew. So After John started all this on this thread I was hoping he could handle a little fun.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

ivrepoman, you and I sound really alike. Financially, business wise, black and white thoughts, how we like to wrench, etc. If we were all hanging at a poker run together in person, and we could see each others smiles and here each other tones, I bet none of this would be a problem.

Originally Posted by lvrepoman (Post 3517390)

This thread just made me realize something- oso is kinda like watching football. We all have our favorite teams, and that really is ok. We just have to draw a line between being cheerleaders, or being meat swingers. If your gonna be a meat swinger, just be careful not damage the inside of these old guy's knees as you swing off their sacks.

Me, I'll cheer a little, but I think I'd rather just spectate.

I can totally understand where some of the smack talking starts with these manufacturers, every coach thinks his team is the best.

Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 3517428)

"I can totally understand where some of the smack talking starts with these manufacturers, every coach thinks his team is the best."
You summed this up BETTER than anyone ever has!!!