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scx 4
Anybody have any experience with these drives? Are they much better than the XR? How much horsepower can they hold? I am getting tired of rebuilding Bravos every 75 to 100 hours. How long before a rebuild on these drives? Will they bolt up to xr helmet?
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Sorry to hear your having the bravo blues. There are A LOT of us in the same "boat".
SCX-4 might be a good option to increase strength and reliability. They have NOT been proven to increase speed on a V bottom. They have done a little better on cats but again not much solid data. SCX-4 is NOT a turn key drive. You will eventually need/and or want SCX-4 drives Helmets (required) Stainless Steel HD Gimbal Rings Reservoir Extension boxes (neutral or -3 depending) WCM blueprinted lowers $5500 props (each) Spacers to space down if needed Water pickups might change Tie Bar Prop testing Dial in time It adds up FAST Your boat will still be rigged with old worn out Transom assembly's, hydraulic steering, and trim rams Arneson ASD7M Bravo Conversions are a better bang for the buck, stronger drive, that's actually proven to increase speed Yes the kit cost more up front but you GET More, Plus you can sell your old parts Arneson's Included Drives Transmissions Extension Boxes Drop Boxes Bellhousings New Trim Rams New Hydraulic Steering Helm Unit Etc. Pretty much everything you need to install Everything from the engines back is NEW, tight and safe! Multiple NEW Skaters, Hustlers, and others are being rigged with Arneson's new as we speak. Can't argue with Skater on speed and handling Good luck on your search |
Originally Posted by offshorexcursion
(Post 4039977)
Sorry to hear your having the bravo blues. There are A LOT of us in the same "boat".
SCX-4 might be a good option to increase strength and reliability. They have NOT been proven to increase speed on a V bottom. They have done a little better on cats but again not much solid data. I picked up 1.5 MPH. They "should" be stronger SCX-4 is NOT a turn key drive. Neither is the Arneson You will eventually need/and or want SCX-4 drives Helmets (required) Stainless Steel HD Gimbal Rings SS not required, HD for sureyou'll have to pull the engines to install them Reservoir Extension boxes (neutral or -3 depending) not required WCM blueprinted lowers not required but neededthe stock lower is a fat twisted pig. If you don't do it you'll probably loose speed but it should be stronger $5500 props (each) same with Arneson Spacers to space down if needed Won't be able to do this on Arneson which could kill the whole thing. Find that HTM thread Water pickups might change Have to use through hulls on either set up Tie Bar doesn't come with the Arneson either Prop testing either way Dial in time either way It adds up FAST either way Your boat will still be rigged with old worn out Transom assembly's, hydraulic steering, and trim rams are they worn out? Arneson ASD7M Bravo Conversions are a better bang for the buck, stronger drive, that's actually proven to increase speed In this application???? Yes the kit cost more up front but you GET More, Plus you can sell your old parts Kit is more AND labor is way moreYou can still sell some old stuff Arneson's Included Drives Transmissions Extension Boxes Drop Boxes Bellhousings New Trim Rams New Hydraulic Steering Helm Unit Etc. Pretty much everything you need to install Everything from the engines back is NEW, tight and safe! You cannot run the through drive exhaust so the Y pipe goes and tails will have to be redone. 4" pipe isn't cheap Engines have to come out to install. If you have a notched transom you might need glass workMultiple NEW Skaters, Hustlers, and others are being rigged with Arneson's new as we speak. Can't argue with Skater on speed and handling Good luck on your search Bang for buck is acceptable if the drive holds up which I think it will Don't get me wrong, Arneson's are awesome. Find someone with your boat and Arnesons to see what they think and how to set it up, keeping in mind that a Bravo conversion is different than a "from scratch" set up. |
Originally Posted by 1 MAIDEN AMERICA
(Post 4040108)
Bang for buck is acceptable if the drive holds up which I think it will Don't get me wrong, Arneson's are awesome. Find someone with your boat and Arnesons to see what they think and how to set it up, keeping in mind that a Bravo conversion is different than a "from scratch" set up. |
Originally Posted by Rik
(Post 4040117)
No it's not. The exact same kit from Arneson is supplied for a Conversion or a new boat setup. Not one bit of difference in items supplied nor pricing. We have quite a few 38' Cigarette's with the Arnesons and have a customer converting on a newer TS model at the moment.
I thought OEM Arnesons have the tranny's in the boat and the conversions in the extention box. May be an old school set up? And plenty of Cigs have Arneson's to get info on compared to SCX-4's |
Sidetracking. Any 2002 semi-staggered 38' Lightnings with the Arneson conversions?
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I had a customer with a side by side on a Fountain 38' no staggers. Come to think about it, how did you stagger a Fountain 38' pleasure boat? Does it have a different cockpit?
The Bravo Conversion Kit and the #7M Kit are the 100% exact same thing and the customer, due to different configurations, has the option of close coupled which puts the transmission extending into the standoff box or a drive line (for stagger or catamaran applications) that has the transmission forward. In either case, the transmission is mounted to the engine and follows the engine's location. Meaning it's not mounted into the standoff box itself. |
RIK, 38 fountains did a semi staggard around 2002 then went full in 07?
Heck 07 and up 35's were full but came in at 9800lbs and they had a Small cockpit. Either way, why are the props so expensive on both? I thought with the Arneson conversion you could run bravo style props? |
The propellers are made by Mercury or Hering and we use the Speedmaster style as the Bravo's are not the best for the application. On the smaller boats the Bravo style propeller works fine but not for a 700+ hp 9-10K lb boat.
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Another cool factor for Arneson is that he hangs out here
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