26 Eagle V question
 

looking for expierenced information from the OSO forum gurus. What is max SAFE speeds a 26 eagle can run & HP it akes to run?

I had one with a 496 HO that ran about 74-76 m.p.h. but it sounds like you're looking to run faster than that.

26 Eagle V speed
 

Mine seems to run 69MPH at 4500 feet elevation & I was interested in adding a Whipple & Exhaust. Just looking for advice on speed in this boat safely. I figure the extra HP would put me somewhere in 80 to 82 MPH at this elevation but at sea level i figured closer to 85 to 87MPH. The boat was rigged with IMCO external steering & Dana tabs so I think the original owner had intentions of more speed.

I had a 25 Eagle that ran 72-73 with stock 502 mag and drive. I put on an M-3 Procharger and an Imco lower. It ran a best of 84. It was a good, efficient cruiser with this. It was a driver's boat above 75. To avoid chine walking, I would have to steer slightly. My boat did not have tabs and needed them. They will be a must to help you tame that power. I really lenjoyed the Eagle and think it's a great hull. Be safe and take time to learn to drive it above 75. Eric

26 With A 500 Hp Run 80 On Gps Nice And Stabble

Mid to high 80's should be great. Although my 25 was a handfull at 85 until I got the bottom of the boat sharpened up. I mean the steps and the transom to bottom joint. The actual bottom was straight, just not sharp. Now there is no chine walking at all. It now runs sweet to 90 then I am about out of boat. I love the overall handling of the hull.

We did a 2004 26 Eagle for a customer. 740hp, sportmaster short, will gps 103mph and rides like its on rails. Get the long tabs.



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SCHU, did that boat feel like it was glued down in the nose or did it carry the bow like an outboard? I know you had mentioned "rails". Also did you test it with the standard length case/with with out the nose cone. Which prop? I am interested in the setup. I know I have that much horsepower and cant get abouve 96 mph. I have a std case and its got a one inch spacer. I feel like I am at the wall. This year I am going to try the Imco case and then take out the spacer. I can go 96 with 29 mirage or 28 bravo. did you have to use the tabs at that speed?

With the tabs at "0" the boat has a nose down glued to the water feel. The customer that we built this boat for has several other performance boats and this boat is used primarily as a ski boat. For that reason we had Eliminator set the engine 1" low and it was built with the sportmaster. I never had a standard mercury lower on the boat. It uses a blueprinted 30P bravo turns 5900rpm and its a 1.50:1 I have yet to see a boat the did not benefit from the Imco lower. Im sure you will be happy with the results.

Sounds just like mine. I just noticed how low the exhaust is, mine is in the same spot. sounds like a ski boat. Thanks Greg

i've got a 25 with a worked n/a 502, imco exhaust, nose cone, spinning a 28 bravo one at 4950rpm. I've gps'd it on non-ideal water, at 77mph, previous owner says it will do 80. It will get squirelly if you try and trim up too high. I don't have tabs, and only 3 hrs driving the boat yet. I'd like to spin the prop to 5150 rpm, then see what i have, hoping 81-82.

26 Eagle V...I'm assuming your running at Elephant Butte...
My last 25 Eagle ran 70-72 at the Butte...502,aftermarket exhaust,K&N filter,ASM re calibrated module,labbed 26p bravo.

My new Eagle(98 25ft.) has run 102 in Havasu...spinning a labbed 32p bravo.
Blown 510,Stand off box,full Hydraulic steering,280-S K-tabs.
Up to about 80,they're pretty stupid proof..at 90 mine starts to chine,to the point where,I have to counter steer in order to keep it on the pad...95 on up it it's a driver's boat...you have to be carefull,as you start to run out of bottom pretty fast..

A whipple pkg. on your 26,would really turn it into a great Hot Rod,seeing as how you already have (big)tabs,and aftermarket steering.
Talked to a guy a couple of years ago at the Eliminator Regatta,who had a 25 Eagle,that he claimed ran a 110-112..the guy owns 4 Eliminators all motored up,so I'm thinking he was stand up about the speeds.
Overall,I think the 25-26 Eagle's are awesome muscle boats,that respond very well to HP...

Hi Mychal,
Thanks for your input. Ive been on here a long time and its hard to find guys that have these boats ( 25 & 26)eagles) that really run. Your right about the speeds stupid then drivers then no bottom left! Just one question though, did you add the standoff box? I have wondered how the boat would run with one. Are you running a shorty drive on this one? :D

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HPJunkie...
The boat came with the box,Having driven the same type hull, with and without a box,there is a discernable differance.It takes a lot less positive trim for the hull to take a SET.You see stand off boxes all the time on cats,not sure why they aren't as common on V's.Might be the cost per mph involved..
I've also been told that the shaft in the box absorbs some of the torque from the motor...I've been running a XZ drive for 4 years w/no drama,so there might be some truth to that.
Are you running full hydraulic?,or dual ram..
We've taken some of the juice out(big pulley,4lbs,boost)so now I'm in the 95-98 mph range..5600rpm chip in the msd...the set up has been ultra reliable(knock on wood):D
Ya gotta admit they are a fun boat to drive with sufficiant power.

Myc,
I absolutely love driving mine. I am turning a 28" into the low 6K range and its just a rocket. I have never been beaten to 90mph. I raced an HTM with 1400 hp 598 with poncho heads and got him to 94mph and he then went by me like i was standing still. He wanted to know about my boat and I asked him about his. His runs 138. So much for top end.:D So you say its much "easier to drive " with the box?

HPjunkie...
My non expert opinion...I think the stand off box,helps alot,drive is in cleaner water,faster to plane(rolls over like a jet boat),hull needs less trim...I dunno,considering I've only got maybe 625-650hp,on 91pump gas..I'm thinking my speeds are pretty decent..
That story about you and the HTM is funny...Last year in Havasu,a guy in a SS24HTM,pulled up next to me as I was exiting the no wake zone,I crushed him out of the hole,and kept waiting for him to drive by me...he never did...
After I slowed down,he came up and we chatted about who had what,turns out he had a N/A 572 that he said ran 100..uhhh,i DON'T THINK SO..anyway,he said that he would've hung better,except that he didn't hammer his throttles at take off,I told him neither did I,but I don't think he believed me..kinda goes to what you were alluding to about rocket like accelleration..
What is it with those HTM guys,it seems like Everyone of them wants to race somebody...lol..

Hey Mychal, if you have a few minutes I wouldn't mind talking with one of our local guys here in good 'ol NM. Sounds like you have already done a tremendous amount of work on the Eliminator. I for one am interested in hearing some more about your set-up. I'm cdertain I have seen you out before but for the life of me I can't seem to remember your boat. Any more details you would be willing to share would be great. The speeds you indicate are "Freakin Fast!" As you can se it's been a while since I have been on the site. Drop me a line if you have some time. Oh yeah, Thanks for the info on your Rocket.

Reading this really makes me think who should feel more in control.Me in my 27 Daytona at 100 or you guys in your Eagles.

26 Eagle...
I'd be more than happy to talk boat with you,my cell # is 505-620-7622,call me anytime.
I live in Albuquerque,but keep my Eliminator in Havasu,there are several of us from Albuq. that keep our boats stored in Havasu...I haven't boated at the Butte in years,although I hear there are a couple of pretty badass Eliminators running around down there:D
My gel design is exactly like HPjunkie's,except in Red with yellow pinstripes..

Well, I have new info now. I put an LM1 to tune it and found that tach at 5720 with my 28 pitch. Still only ran 94 but with only 6psi. Cant tell if the nose cone helped or now . Maybe. Ill keep ya posted. greg

Are you coming up for the madison regatta on lake mendota the 4th of madison. It would be nice to see a fellow eliminator at the party.

was a duplicate message.....sorry

Tell me more . Do you mean the 4th of august? What is the regatta?

I'll fill you in Greg, The water is definatly smoother than what we ran in yesterday.:eek:

4th of august, yup. here's a link. If you send me your email, i can give you the actual invite and registration form.

-Ryan


http://webpages.charter.net/madisonregatta/index.htm

Here is the official invite and registration. Hope to see you all there............

-Ryan

Well I finally tool the plunge & bought the Whipple after a year of waiting for results from others that have gone through the growing pains of isntalling one on the 496 MAG HO. I'll post Pics as the install occurs. Anyone have any idea how fast I can expect the 26 Eagle to run with the Whipple & MAG HO combo?

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I know that 550 horsepower in a 25 eagle, with the right prop equals about 83-84. So, if the 26 is a bit heavier, then you might lose a couple mph due to weight. But, if i had to guess, with the right prop, i'd say at least 82 in your case? You DID buy a new prop, eh? AND, get ready to chine walk..seems like the eagles start doing it at almost 80 on the dot....

HEY SHUMACHER!! Love the info on the eagle you posted, what a sweet boat. I have basically the same rig, only my problem is the chine walking issue...did the tabs "help" or FIX the issue? I'm thinkin good call on the lower motor setting, i think this should be done on all eagles. At 80-82 my boat with standard setup is REAL scary. Do you think the tabs at 0 will help this??

Hey HP junkie...what did you mean about sharpening up the bottom? explain please?? My eagle has the same issues...

No new prop yet. I have a standard Bravo 1 24 & 26 pitch that I'll try out before I buy. I figured the chine would be an issue however my Eagle has the 24" Dana tabs on it with full hydrualic steering as well. Now If I could get out the broken intake bolt from the cylinder head I would be in business.

sounds good
 

Please post and let us know how the boat runs past 80 for you. I would love to know if the tabs work, how much you end up using, and if the full hydro makes the difference.

...my Eagle is on rails at 80,no drama til upper 80's.
You have to remember Ron Ehde designed the 25's to run loose...
Loose=Fast
Too loose=chine walk
...sounds like you may be overtrimmed.
I have a set of 280-S offshore tabs,on my 25 that I ONLY use in really rough water,if your using tab,your scrubbing speed,I never run the tabs any lower than parallel with the bottom.
Stuffing the nose in a HOLE,with the tabs buried is pretty dangerous.

Mychal

Interesting...
 

My chine walking starts at right at 80...gets worse and by 84 the boat is undriveable...I only have hydro assist, do you think that I need to go to full hydro? I'm thinking tabs won't help and would be too dangerous..I saw a video HPjunkie posted of the eagle running at 85 from head on, and there is not nearly enough transom in the water to make them effective anyways, from the look of it. I have a labbed 4 blade bravo, which eliminator told me is pretty much the prop that was designed into the equation..so I don't think the prop could be making the boat squirrely. Im wondering if a stand-off box would solve the problem, and/or full hydro??

Do you think I need to have my hull "sharpened" or whatever HP was talking about? Do you know who, what, where, etc??

I agree with you, loose is fast, no other hulls I know can run a solid 80 with only 550 hp...the baja guys STILL don't believe me when I tell them that...lol

If it were me...
 

I'd spend the money on Hydraulic steering,AMAZING differance.Can't go wrong spending money on safety.
I still think you're overtrimmed,if she starts to dance at 80.
I had a 99,25eagle,with a 502,EMI exhaust,K&N filter,ASM re-programed ECU,and a labbed prop...
One early spring day in Havasu,6in. chop,maybe 5 gallons of fuel,I hit 80.1 on my gps.that was awesome...and she was on rails,no hint of impending chine.
Bravo1 prop is the only prop I run,and I've tried everthing on the market.
Take a straight edge and run it along the bottom of your boat,to see if it is in fact straight...

Thanks
 

Will go ahead and get the steering. I really don't think I'm overtrimmed, but I will try the boat again with a lower setting. I run the boat at about 2-3 on the mechanical trim gauge. It's definitely faster close to 4 but way too squirelly and not enough water to cool the big 525...The chine walk really wasn't too bad at 78-80, but was very noticeable above 81-82. Amazing that a small difference can do that, but it just seems to be the breaking point for my hull.

thanks!!

It'll be money well spent...
 

I liken it to driving a car with no power steering,and then driving one with power steering...
Had a guy from Oregon call me a couple of weeks ago,asking about the advantages of a stand off box on an Eagle,Told him that I loved mine,said he was gonna hang one on his open bow 25.
...Should be interesting,I'll post the results after I hear from him...
If you ever want to talk boat ,call me,anytime on my cell,I'm no expert,but I have had 3 ,25 Eagle's(stock to wild),love to talk boat...505-620-7622
Mychal

I own the 25 Eagle that used to belong to HPJunkie. It still chine walks badly. Basically he just blue printed the bottom. He made all the strakes sharp on the edges. He said it helped and he also said it didn't chine walk any more! I didn't get to test drive the boat when bought it. It was the middle of the winter. The first time I drove it I was real close to a serious accident. The walking got very violent. With trim I got the boat more stable. It was also glass smooth which I have noticed makes it worse. I haven't got alot of seat time in the boat yet. I think learning to drive it would make alot of difference. I have ran the boat 87mph and it was still pulling hard with a borrowed 30 pitch b1. It was stable and as soon as I felt it bobble I pulled out of the throttle. I think the boat is capable of alot more speed I just want it to be as safe as possible. Has anyone tried a p5-x prop on one of these? I would really like to try one if I could find a used one I could afford. Mycal, I chatted with you on Performanceboat and have been meaning to call you. When is a good time? I am located in Idaho and on mountain time. I would really like to find a combination that would get rid of the walking completely with out spending a ton of $.I am starting to think less Horsepower is the answer!:D I like the boat other than this problem.

dvdbrggs, I've been in your boat last year with Greg running in the low 90's GPS (92-93) with no chine walk. The water was choppy and the boat ran great. You probably just need some more seat time. When I first got my Velocity, I couldn't drive it either. Kept falling off the pad. Spent a day hammering it down and learned how to keep it straight. Once you figure it out it will run good. That boat is fast. You need to put some grab handles in it though. I think my finger prints are indented in the bottom of the seat.:D
Steve

Thats funny because the grab handle complaint has been made several times already! I took it out a couple of weekends ago and it was fairly rough. I ran it to about 75 and made a few laps around the lake which is probably about 15 miles long. I started to feel a lot more confident in the boat and happy about everything then I ran up on some glass water and it started walking again. I ran the power back and it came out of it. I think you are exactly right with more seat time. I was thinking of going out there on a nice day and trying to trim it to walk at lower speeds and practice pulling out of it. I wish I would have gotten some dual with Greg so I would have a clue of what to do. I studied up on correcting the chine walk and talked to Greg. I think I have pretty good idea just need to practice. Greg sent me the video of when he was running 88 and if you watch at the end it starts walking. I think right when he gets out of the power. I admit I am scared of the boat after that first ride. Might take a bit to get over it! I don't want to go swimming!