You have always made your negative comments in the Formula Forum specific to Rippem, 5PM's and My 353's. Go back and check yourself. Your opinions to me are not welcomed because of your lack of positive response or knowledgeable input to our brand. Your Fountain attitude creates a bias opinion and is always used as a comparison. We own Formulas not Fountains, we, at least I don't need to know how they stack up against each other. If I did, I would post it over on the Fountain Forum.

As for staying on subject...what do your above comments have to do with anything besides a personal attack?



Dave

So I am thinking you would not like to know how a Sonic responds when docking???


Better have Deb get some more pop corn for the boat house

Dave I don't see where you are coming up with all this, it's about the effects of prop rotation, not you in any way, but whatever. Mike and I are fine, spent quite a while on the phone with him yesterday. Rippem, well it is what it is, what can I say, at least I'm up front about it.



For the rest viewing this thread my point here has been that while there are drawbacks to the inboard rotation in relation to docking they are sometimes offset by better handling and a little gain on the top end. In that case one can learn to live with and adjust to the negatives if in fact one feels the benefits are worth it. I honestly feel the difference at docking speeds are similiar and not brand specific, the difference at higher speeds will obviously vary not only by brand but also by model.

Long and short of it here ........... Some boats will benefit from inboard rotation at higher speeds, and Most all boats will suffer in docking manners with the inboard rotation.

I for one would be receptive to your comments.

I wouldn't exactly call your over the years relentless innuenduous/incendiary posting, and oblique negative references to me "up front about it".

so you must mean "up front" to others in reference to me when I'm not present?

In that case your right, that is exactly your style...

"up front" to anyone's face really isn't.

having known you longer than anyone here, and knowing you have something negative to say about everybody after they walk away, it all makes perfect sense.


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Now, about that rotation...
My last boat the 32 Velocity spun in and I never had any issues anywhere, anytime.

No steps of course and Bravo props made life much easier than what Dave has been up against in terms of reversing (effective) thrust and manueverability with 5 blades and step.

I did find with inboard rotation that backing down you had to get in the mindset of using the opposite drive (reverse) for the desired effect than in a standard rotation
ie: reversing the port drive would "push" or drift with aft boat travel (rather than "walk" abeam as an outboard rotation seems to do much better and in shorter travel distances) the stern of the boat to starboard.
This required some thinking well ahead of where you wanted to end up.

I also found that in certian conditions including calm/still, backing the boat down like a big single worked well, slowly, but well.
Or, often leaving one drive out of the equation 50% of the time spent backing down only bringing in the 2nd drive reverse for a burst of desired tuning of direction that for the most part being by the other ONE.
ie: seldom reversing BOTH drives for very long
you still split to move the nose either way but that too was less effective spinning in.
I got to the point where I would choose which drive to use like a LH or RH rotation single dependent on where I wanted to go backing in a given amout of (limited) space.
Hope some of this may make sense to those asking...

I guess the proof of wether or not my technics were effective or was on the boat... or not on the boat ...
7 years and I literally never contacted anything resulting in a scratch, and I boated alone quite a bit.

After that the 353 with standard rotation is a dream to manuever!

Well said here, seems that we both achieved that different mindset learning on the same boat. One that for sure responded well on the high end.

As far as a step bottom goes, no doubt it does add to the problem when docking. My single step boat was a little bit more challenging than the non step Velocity, this one with deeper twin steps is even more so. I find myself going into some spots bow first now that I would back into before. Another little part of dealing with the the boats docking manners.

That is some funny chit .....

Instead of "as the world turns" this should be called " As the boathouse churns"

Now that you guys (Axa/Ragged) have highjacked this thread .... lets get back to the regular programming here.

I think you should stick to Jet drives ..... then you don't have to worry about.

Jeff

Switched my props to out yesterday. Will report back after the weekend with the numbers.

Dave

If someone wanted to try in vs out is it proper to just switch the props and take a ride with the gear shifters in reverse? This could make for some confusing docking

Yes, that is how I did it. Have a handfull of friends on the dock to catch you! It is pretty weird going forward with the sticks pointing in reverse.

Dave