IMO......Formula may have a safety isssue with the hull/deck bonding.
02-16-2011, 01:01 PM
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They probabally install the thru bolts in the same holes as the assembly screw holes. As far as temperture and shorter cure times, the summer built boats thought is very interesting. Unless Formula comes out and discloses all the info on the subject, its going to be hard to pinpoint the exact cause.
The summer/winter should apply to the fiberglass lay up of the boats too. I would have to think that Formula/Plexus have it figured out as to how much time to get it put together.
02-16-2011, 08:04 PM
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02-16-2011, 08:25 PM
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Found this by accident,If you don't want to watch the whole thing F/F to 4:50.The hull deck sealant is put on by a robot in a larger amount and much more evenly than the chalking gun in the Formula video.There is to much room for human error the way Formula does it IMO.
This thread is for the most part a conversation among Formula owners.I am sure Formula is aware of this thread.It is my hope that they will provide some technical impute on how to properly inspect our boats.
Found this by accident,If you don't want to watch the whole thing F/F to 4:50.The hull deck sealant is put on by a robot in a larger amount and much more evenly than the chalking gun in the Formula video.There is to much room for human error the way Formula does it IMO.
This thread is for the most part a conversation among Formula owners.I am sure Formula is aware of this thread.It is my hope that they will provide some technical impute on how to properly inspect our boats.
02-16-2011, 10:47 PM
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Found this by accident,If you don't want to watch the whole thing F/F to 4:50.The hull deck sealant is put on by a robot in a larger amount and much more evenly than the chalking gun in the Formula video.There is to much room for human error the way Formula does it IMO.
This thread is for the most part a conversation among Formula owners.I am sure Formula is aware of this thread.It is my hope that they will provide some technical impute on how to properly inspect our boats.
Found this by accident,If you don't want to watch the whole thing F/F to 4:50.The hull deck sealant is put on by a robot in a larger amount and much more evenly than the chalking gun in the Formula video.There is to much room for human error the way Formula does it IMO.
This thread is for the most part a conversation among Formula owners.I am sure Formula is aware of this thread.It is my hope that they will provide some technical impute on how to properly inspect our boats.
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02-17-2011, 02:16 PM
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formula produces hundreds if not thousands of boats a year using the same procedure and protocol on all models. to me it would seem as though if there were really a problem, it would be an epidemic of epic proportions. if there is an issue, i fail to see it. sorry.
my summary: the intent of this thread seems to be two fold. On one side, members are trying to figure out if a real bonding issue exists between deck and hull. Seems doubtful. No real proof or examples of such events. Issues seem very isolated.
The second fold which seems to be at the heart of this thread...is people are trying to create personal vendettas against Formula for no reason. They think Formula owes them something. One poster is trying to seek warranty claims years after the event. Formula offered a percentage of the fix but that wasnt good enough. The manufacturer has nothing to hide and has been very open about the steps involved in creating the bond. Not sure what else there is to discuss.
02-17-2011, 03:09 PM
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Please get the thread back on topic.
nothing personal but i think you guys are grasping at straws here...there have been no reported incidents, no catastrophic failures, and no injuries.
formula produces hundreds if not thousands of boats a year using the same procedure and protocol on all models. to me it would seem as though if there were really a problem, it would be an epidemic of epic proportions. if there is an issue, i fail to see it. sorry.
my summary: the intent of this thread seems to be two fold. On one side, members are trying to figure out if a real bonding issue exists between deck and hull. Seems doubtful. No real proof or examples of such events. Issues seem very isolated.
The second fold which seems to be at the heart of this thread...is people are trying to create personal vendettas against Formula for no reason. They think Formula owes them something. One poster is trying to seek warranty claims years after the event. Formula offered a percentage of the fix but that wasnt good enough. The manufacturer has nothing to hide and has been very open about the steps involved in creating the bond. Not sure what else there is to discuss.
formula produces hundreds if not thousands of boats a year using the same procedure and protocol on all models. to me it would seem as though if there were really a problem, it would be an epidemic of epic proportions. if there is an issue, i fail to see it. sorry.
my summary: the intent of this thread seems to be two fold. On one side, members are trying to figure out if a real bonding issue exists between deck and hull. Seems doubtful. No real proof or examples of such events. Issues seem very isolated.
The second fold which seems to be at the heart of this thread...is people are trying to create personal vendettas against Formula for no reason. They think Formula owes them something. One poster is trying to seek warranty claims years after the event. Formula offered a percentage of the fix but that wasnt good enough. The manufacturer has nothing to hide and has been very open about the steps involved in creating the bond. Not sure what else there is to discuss.
Yep.......you really read this thread closely! LOL
02-17-2011, 04:08 PM
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There is to much room for human error the way Formula does it IMO.
There is to much room for human error the way Formula does it IMO.
But you need an operating procedure for how the job of bonding the deck to the hull should be performed, and the production staff needs to be trained and understand the procedure and the constraints.
Low volume boat production does have a lot of manual labor involved, compared to high volume car production, but it is still possible to deliver a high quality product.
Has anybody actually seen the Formula production at the factory, and in particular the procedure for how the deck is attached to the hull ?
02-17-2011, 05:15 PM
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nothing personal but i think you guys are grasping at straws here...there have been no reported incidents, no catastrophic failures, and no injuries.
formula produces hundreds if not thousands of boats a year using the same procedure and protocol on all models. to me it would seem as though if there were really a problem, it would be an epidemic of epic proportions. if there is an issue, i fail to see it. sorry.
my summary: the intent of this thread seems to be two fold. On one side, members are trying to figure out if a real bonding issue exists between deck and hull. Seems doubtful. No real proof or examples of such events. Issues seem very isolated.
The second fold which seems to be at the heart of this thread...is people are trying to create personal vendettas against Formula for no reason. They think Formula owes them something. One poster is trying to seek warranty claims years after the event. Formula offered a percentage of the fix but that wasnt good enough. The manufacturer has nothing to hide and has been very open about the steps involved in creating the bond. Not sure what else there is to discuss.
formula produces hundreds if not thousands of boats a year using the same procedure and protocol on all models. to me it would seem as though if there were really a problem, it would be an epidemic of epic proportions. if there is an issue, i fail to see it. sorry.
my summary: the intent of this thread seems to be two fold. On one side, members are trying to figure out if a real bonding issue exists between deck and hull. Seems doubtful. No real proof or examples of such events. Issues seem very isolated.
The second fold which seems to be at the heart of this thread...is people are trying to create personal vendettas against Formula for no reason. They think Formula owes them something. One poster is trying to seek warranty claims years after the event. Formula offered a percentage of the fix but that wasnt good enough. The manufacturer has nothing to hide and has been very open about the steps involved in creating the bond. Not sure what else there is to discuss.
I am going to have to disagree with you while no one has been killed there have been hull separations discovered while underway.And yes Formula uses the same hull/deck mounting procedure on all of its boats,but five(?) have had issues.Are they the only ones or are there others out there undiscovered.We don't know however I suspect that there are at least quiet a few that while not separated are not sealed properly.This would explain why there are a high number of Formula water in cabin threads.
We,high performance boaters tend to use our boats more and run them harder than the average boater.A higher group would be fishermen but Formula does not make center consoles.But my point is we will see failure first.Were these guys running hard in the ocean,probably but Formula marketed the Fastech to do this and made many videos of there boats running in the ocean at speed.
But the real issue here is The Plexus should be stronger than the fiberglass.Had the fiberglass broke it would be different...it didn't.
