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Bilge Paint
Hey guys,
I've got my engines out for a freshen up and am looking to clean up the bilge a bit. It's not "bad" by any means, but the spot right above the notch and the outboard stringers were never really finished by the factory. So to make it look right, I'm assuming I'd have to do most of it over so it all matches. What I'm not going to do is strip it out and send it somewhere, so I'm looking for a DIY with mabe some sanding for adhesion and from what I have read elsewhere, a roll on product like awl grip. Specific products and part numbers would be a big help. C Spray, I know you have done this, right Chuck? A little help please! Thanks, Dave |
go as nut$ as you want to Dave...
I had excellent results on both Velocitys with bright white Rustoleum thinned with about 10% acetone (no more) brushed out with a quality fine bristle brush and good cure time. flowed out smooth and glossy (secret of the acetone), no brush marks and cleaned up super easy. Cured up nice and hard. degrease and degrease again and again with nothing more than quality dish liquid. prep and application mean more than the product here and yes, scuffing the smooth features of the grid in these would be impotant, with a powertool. The 32's bilge looked as good the day I sold it as the day after I painted it, and you know it got messed and cleaned a few times in 6-7 years! never lifted anywhere, not easily scuffed, and stayed nice and glossy. but if anyone thinks they can see and feel the difference between $500 and $50 in the bilge, well... I can't help. |
I have been looking at options to paint my bilge also. I read through a lot of threads...this one had most options explained:
http://http://www.offshoreonly.com/f...ndation-3.html I'm going to try the Rustolium and Valspar hardener this weekend. It is only $30 so I figured I would give it a shot first. Dean |
Originally Posted by axapowell
(Post 3877277)
Hey guys,
I've got my engines out for a freshen up and am looking to clean up the bilge a bit. It's not "bad" by any means, but the spot right above the notch and the outboard stringers were never really finished by the factory. So to make it look right, I'm assuming I'd have to do most of it over so it all matches. What I'm not going to do is strip it out and send it somewhere, so I'm looking for a DIY with mabe some sanding for adhesion and from what I have read elsewhere, a roll on product like awl grip. Specific products and part numbers would be a big help. C Spray, I know you have done this, right Chuck? A little help please! Thanks, Dave |
Nort,
Yes the area around the transom and the top of the notch, right below the inner transom assembly. Along the stringers is a littlw crappy too. Dave |
Originally Posted by axapowell
(Post 3879893)
Nort,
Yes the area around the transom and the top of the notch, right below the inner transom assembly. Along the stringers is a littlw crappy too. Dave |
I really don't have any shots! Next time I'm up in the garage, I'll try to oblige!
Dave |
Originally Posted by Rippem
(Post 3877460)
go as nut$ as you want to Dave...
I had excellent results on both Velocitys with bright white Rustoleum thinned with about 10% acetone (no more) brushed out with a quality fine bristle brush and good cure time. flowed out smooth and glossy (secret of the acetone), no brush marks and cleaned up super easy. Cured up nice and hard. degrease and degrease again and again with nothing more than quality dish liquid. prep and application mean more than the product here and yes, scuffing the smooth features of the grid in these would be impotant, with a powertool. The 32's bilge looked as good the day I sold it as the day after I painted it, and you know it got messed and cleaned a few times in 6-7 years! never lifted anywhere, not easily scuffed, and stayed nice and glossy. but if anyone thinks they can see and feel the difference between $500 and $50 in the bilge, well... I can't help. For what it's worth I witnessed this and it worked. Did a few touch ups over the years this same way myself. There are times in life that you can just way overthink chit. |
Originally Posted by axapowell
(Post 3880094)
I really don't have any shots! Next time I'm up in the garage, I'll try to oblige!
Dave |
Originally Posted by Deanrw3
(Post 3879485)
I have been looking at options to paint my bilge also. I read through a lot of threads...this one had most options explained:
http://http://www.offshoreonly.com/f...ndation-3.html I'm going to try the Rustolium and Valspar hardener this weekend. It is only $30 so I figured I would give it a shot first. Dean Brian |
I think that's the route I'm going to go!
Thanks for the help all! Dave |
Originally Posted by axapowell
(Post 3882994)
I think that's the route I'm going to go!
Thanks for the help all! Dave |
Originally Posted by Level III Chaos
(Post 3883032)
I thought you would diamond plate the whole bilge. :D
I was there today, but just to clean parts, no bilge work today. Ordered the Valspar hardner and am going the rust oleum way! I don't know if I'm going to do the whole thing or not yet. Going to take a better look at it. Maybe then I'll snap some shots! Dave |
fixx
Originally Posted by axapowell
(Post 3883184)
Isn't that what you did? Haha...
I was there today, but just to clean parts, no bilge work today. Ordered the Valspar hardner and am going the rust oleum way! I don't know if I'm going to do the whole thing or not yet. Going to take a better look at it. Maybe then I'll snap some shots! Dave |
Originally Posted by mrfixxall
(Post 3883190)
you need to soap,rince,pressure wash,rince dry,sand the whole bilge,pressure wash again dry, apply adheision promoater then paint..or its going to look like the last idiot that did mine,,it flaked off so now im in their with the da..
sounds like laid on too thick (amazed how many people don't get the longevity and finish advantages of multiple if necessary thinner coats of anything) not degreased/clean enough, or done too cold. or a combo. to avoid the first one let me say it again...ACETONE THINNED!!! I NEVER use Rustoleum straight up not thinned to some degree, and have outstanding flowed out finish and longevity examples all around me here waaaay to complicated a process you quote and twice I have found unnecessary. Aside from the scuff particular to the Formula example, dishsoap and a hose is all you need. Oh, and some time... the only part I'll get with as I posted previously, is that the smooth surfaces in these Formula bilges should be scuffed, just simply scuffed up prior to the last detail wash/degrease |
I'm still not clear on what you are doing. The bilge is fiberglass with gelcoat. Why would you paint it?
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Originally Posted by Rippem
(Post 3877460)
go as nut$ as you want to Dave...
I had excellent results on both Velocitys with bright white Rustoleum thinned with about 10% acetone (no more) brushed out with a quality fine bristle brush and good cure time. flowed out smooth and glossy (secret of the acetone), no brush marks and cleaned up super easy. Cured up nice and hard. degrease and degrease again and again with nothing more than quality dish liquid. prep and application mean more than the product here and yes, scuffing the smooth features of the grid in these would be impotant, with a powertool. The 32's bilge looked as good the day I sold it as the day after I painted it, and you know it got messed and cleaned a few times in 6-7 years! never lifted anywhere, not easily scuffed, and stayed nice and glossy. but if anyone thinks they can see and feel the difference between $500 and $50 in the bilge, well... I can't help. |
Originally Posted by scottw
(Post 3883490)
Rippem....You say you just used the acetone to thin and didn't usr any hardener at all?
I don't know why the hardener? Other than putting a thick oil-base product on too heavy and it doesn't want to set itself up? I have painted alot of chit (finish coat, I use rusty metal primer on rusty metal, as filler and boundry coat, but that's not fiberglass) for various exposures and duties over the years with thinned RO applied in multiple thin coats (usually 2 will do the job, coat one for coverage coat 2 for finish) and the stuff has always cured up rock-hard. The ONLY time with my methods I have EVER seen a crack-or-peel was because of surface prep/contamination not the product. Look, we've all used RO. We all know and have been frustrated at least once by how thick it is and prone to dragging as the time you have to work it is quite limited outta da can. You would be pleasantly suprised how much more applicable, workable, and smooth this product lays out thinned within manufacturer specs. I have thinned another 5% or so beyond to about 15% with no noticable loss of coverage or longevity. Like I said another HUGE key is a quality fine brush with finished bristle ends. combine that with the thinned product and you can get some simply amazing results fo what it is and thats what I'm about- overachieving low $ combos- love em! |
fixx
Originally Posted by Rippem
(Post 3883290)
since you didn't do it yourself it's hard to say what really went wrong.
sounds like laid on too thick (amazed how many people don't get the longevity and finish advantages of multiple if necessary thinner coats of anything) not degreased/clean enough, or done too cold. or a combo. to avoid the first one let me say it again...ACETONE THINNED!!! I NEVER use Rustoleum straight up not thinned to some degree, and have outstanding flowed out finish and longevity examples all around me here waaaay to complicated a process you quote and twice I have found unnecessary. Aside from the scuff particular to the Formula example, dishsoap and a hose is all you need. Oh, and some time... the only part I'll get with as I posted previously, is that the smooth surfaces in these Formula bilges should be scuffed, just simply scuffed up prior to the last detail wash/degrease just my o2 |
Originally Posted by mrfixxall
(Post 3884125)
you have the way you did yours and i have a way i do mine and all of my past customers..as for mine you could still see the shiny paint under mine but its all been cleaned and pressure washed and ready to be sanded..i DON'T use Rustoleum,i use two part Sherwin Williams poly urethane resin with a activator..i dont like to use any thinners like acetone because it creates solvent pops or blisters over time..
just my o2 |
Originally Posted by mrfixxall
(Post 3884125)
you have the way you did yours and i have a way i do mine and all of my past customers..as for mine you could still see the shiny paint under mine but its all been cleaned and pressure washed and ready to be sanded..i DON'T use Rustoleum,i use two part Sherwin Williams poly urethane resin with a activator..i dont like to use any thinners like acetone because it creates solvent pops or blisters over time..
just my o2 |
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