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rcarroll 07-19-2013 07:46 AM

Considering a 272 sr1
 
I'm looking at a 89 272 sr1 twin 454s with bravo drives. Overall it's a clean boat with a nice trailer. Took for a sea trial motors and drives preformed well. Owner says that everything is original with 1050 hrs. It did about 58-60 on GPS with mirage 25p props full of fuel with 5 people on board. Hull appears solid has a little dock rash on starboard rear corner. Guy is asking 14k give me some input on this. What should I look for? Thanks

Fischan 07-19-2013 08:28 AM

Good price! If it is all dry, buy it.

rcarroll 07-19-2013 10:23 AM

As far as I can tell its dry and solid. Would it be worth getting it surveyed?

97FASTech 07-19-2013 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by rcarroll (Post 3961511)
As far as I can tell its dry and solid. Would it be worth getting it surveyed?

Always worth getting surveyed. That will be the majority opinion on OSO. Spend a little money up front, to save major money after purchase.

jiffy292 07-20-2013 10:05 AM

1000 HRS it needs repower

rcarroll 07-21-2013 04:51 PM

That what I was thinking on the repower. Best to rebuild whats there or get some long blocks ?

sprink58 07-21-2013 06:37 PM

Depends on what your goals are. If you know a builder close to you with a good reputation you are miles ahead going that route.

I personally think the ask is too high with that many hours...I'm thinking more like $10K.

machloosy 07-22-2013 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by sprink58 (Post 3962323)
Depends on what your goals are. If you know a builder close to you with a good reputation you are miles ahead going that route.

I personally think the ask is too high with that many hours...I'm thinking more like $10K.

I'm with John on this one. 14K with those kind of hours is just high. You may get lucky and get a few seasons, or get unlucky and blows before the end of this summer. It's reasonably obvious that it's down on power since w/ twin bbc's it should touch 70. Even with 5 people it's a solid 60's boat

endeavour32 07-22-2013 03:19 PM

The price is more than fair. With twin 454's that's only a 63 MPH boat, it will NEVER hit anywhere close to 70 with stock motors. Around here (Michigan) 242's are going for $15,000. Two years ago the boat market was in the tank, not so much anymore, prices are much higher for the same boat. Seeing that the boat is within 3 mph of new power speed, I'm going to guess the engines were not run hard. Also a 25 pitch prop is to much prop, the stock props were 23 mirage's. You may get to 60-62 with the right props. Here are some things to check, what is your oil pressure and what kind of compression do the engines have?

88242LS 07-22-2013 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by endeavour32 (Post 3962861)
The price is more than fair. With twin 454's that's only a 63 MPH boat, it will NEVER hit anywhere close to 70 with stock motors. Around here (Michigan) 242's are going for $15,000. Two years ago the boat market was in the tank, not so much anymore, prices are much higher for the same boat. Seeing that the boat is within 3 mph of new power speed, I'm going to guess the engines were not run hard. Also a 25 pitch prop is to much prop, the stock props were 23 mirage's. You may get to 60-62 with the right props. Here are some things to check, what is your oil pressure and what kind of compression do the engines have?

agreed

sprink58 07-22-2013 05:46 PM

I have seen cherry ones go for as low as $8K here within the past year.

Mr Maine 07-22-2013 09:08 PM

The big blocks came stock with 25 mirages. Mine bone stock turns them 4600 to 4800 depending on load. 350s came with 23 mirages. It would be hard to pick up a mint twin engine boat up here for 8k maybe one that needed work

sprink58 07-22-2013 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Maine (Post 3963177)
The big blocks came stock with 25 mirages. Mine bone stock turns them 4600 to 4800 depending on load. 350s came with 23 mirages. It would be hard to pick up a mint twin engine boat up here for 8k maybe one that needed work

I guess the difference here is that there aren't many of that type boat here and they aren't very popular with most boaters in SE Florida. Those of us with Sport Boats down here are definitely in the minority...even though this is the birthplace of that style of boat. on any given weekend year round here in SE Florida the number one boat you will see is a 30' Twin outboard center console. They are roomy and easy to get in and out of and now with big 4 stroke out boards just about as fast as most sport boats anyway.

Don't get me wrong...I love my boat and enjoy the nostalgia but boats of the type most of us have are not popular everywhere. I have had friends come down from the NE and remark at the number of Center Console Boats here as opposed to the traditional Sport Boat. That may be the reason for the price difference. Unless a Sports Boat is a newer Cigarette, or tricked out Skater it doesn't draw much attention here from the general boating public in South Florida. The Florida Powerboat Club has recognized this and opened up it's Poker Run Events to Center Console Boats in an attempt to lure more local boaters to it's events.

Mr Maine 07-22-2013 10:15 PM

I agree 100%. Also I was assuming price would include a tandem axle galvenized trailer and those arent cheap

endeavour32 07-23-2013 02:59 AM

I think it's safe to say it's all about where you live. I have a few friends with center cockpit boats but they now regret owning them. Being in the northern part of the country they are very cold to ride in and you can't over night in most of them. Either way IMO $14,000 for a nice condition 272 is a great deal. You can't even buy a new 17 foot Bayliner with base power for that. Take the boat to a reputable mechanic and have them go over the engines, most surveyors won't get into the engines very deep so don't rely on a survey to get detailed engine info.

slugoslugo272 07-23-2013 11:17 AM

Well I recently purchased a 90 272 with 600 hours, twin big blocks motors which have about 200 hours on them with a triple axle trailer and it was more than 14K.

When I was looking online in October of 2012 I saw a couple of 272's listed from 14K - 20K what they sold for is another story but that was list prices....

I'm very happy with my purchase, only thing wish the silent thunder was a little less silent... Might need to change it in the future my buddy put in captains call on his 86' 206 sounds awesome....

endeavour32 07-23-2013 01:50 PM

To put a bit more rumble in your silent thunder take a 3 1/2 or 4" hole saw and cut hole in the bottom. I've done this with every Formula I've owned and been happy with the sound. It's cheap and easy!

84 Formula 272 07-24-2013 07:26 PM

I also bought a 272 last year and I read a post on here that said expect to spend$10k more on it after you buy it doing general maintenance repairs that have been neglected and things to make the boat your boat!!!! That probably isn't that far off!!!!

88242LS 07-24-2013 09:50 PM

if u buy the right one you wont have to spend that after purchase

endeavour32 07-24-2013 10:03 PM

There is no way your going to spend $10,000 on "general maintenance" repairs. That should include rebuilding the carbs, $35.00 per carb. Plugs, wires, cap rotor $100 per engine. Change the oil- $50 per engine, change the drive fluid- $40-50, and just to be safe change the gaskets on the exhaust elbows- $30 per engine. Thats a grand total of $530.00. Even if you had a valve job done on it you wouldn't be any were near that $10,000 price. Valve job would run about $1000 per engine plus labor if you cannot do it yourself. Come on guys- whats up with these scare posts that are total B.S.?

rcarroll 07-24-2013 10:54 PM

Ok sorry I haven't been on here for a few days but I ended up making a deal at 13k. Clean boat with a 2001 trailer. I've got a few issues to work out but hopefully all goes well. One thing I need is the bow navigation light anyone know where I can find one? Or is there a good universal one that will work? Thanks

84 Formula 272 07-25-2013 11:18 AM

Lots of things on a old boat to take care of besides the motor!!! Not trying to scare anyone!! But if you need some interior work a Bimini top new tires on the trailer you can drop a thousand bucks in a new stereo without batting an eye all i'm saying is it's not cheap making an old boat new again!!!!! Or I shoul say making that old boat your new boat!!!!! They are awesome boats that's why we spend the money on them!!!

endeavour32 07-25-2013 12:07 PM

Here you go- the Manufacture is Sea Dog and the Defender part number is 701306. I just replaced mine with with this, which is an LED low profile unit and it fit perfectly. The price was $46.99 from defender. Here is the link:
http://search.defender.com/?expression=701306+&x=7&y=3

slugoslugo272 07-25-2013 01:09 PM

Thanks for the link to that site, they seem to have everything. Think I'm going to redo the dash this winter and replace the lame toggle switches....

soldier4402 07-25-2013 01:24 PM

a little late to the game. But I have see it multiple times with BBC with over 1000 hours and still going strong. But with that many hours you could be talking any time, you might want to start looking at rebuild cost or swapping out blocks just in case.

endeavour32 07-25-2013 02:07 PM

If you replace the gauges take a serious look at AutoMeter. I went with Livorsi but the damn things fade right in front of your eyes. Livorsi repaired them for me but after one year I see they are fading again. It's sort of ridiculous seeing that I live in northern Michigan and my boat one sees sunlight for 4-5 months a year. Also think twice about replacing the toggle switches. They are all little circuit breakers, so if you change them you are going to have to put in another breaker panel or fuse each one of them.

88242LS 07-25-2013 04:23 PM

200 or 1000 hours its not if, its when, seen plenty of stock 454/502 boats grenade within 500 hours, 1000 just means they run and are proven. friend has a 272 with 1300 hours and minus a little puff at start up they run flawless,

sprink58 07-25-2013 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by 88242LS (Post 3965081)
200 or 1000 hours its not its when, seen plenty of stock 454/502 boats grenade within 500 hours, 1000 just means they run and are proven. friend has a 272 with 1300 hours and minus a little puff at start up they run flawless,

If the engines are well maintained I wouldn't concern my self with the rotating assemblies. Those engines catch a lot of wear in the cylinder heads. If their original you have to consider that they were designed during a time when we all had "real" gasoline instead of this "gasohol" garbage. The exhaust valves and seats might be something to think about this winter while you have time. Valve jobs on those four cylinder heads certainly won't break the bank and will give you a good view into the engines to see how they are holding up.

Congrats on the purchase and enjoy it...you have a good one. I know my friend Diego loves his and he and I have been out on it several times running it hard in the open ocean...great rough water performer.

Post some pics of that rascal!!

Mr Maine 07-25-2013 07:50 PM

Congrats I love mine so far my passengers cringe when we pass a large boat wake then it goes thump thump and everyone saw wow ive never done that before!!! She burns some fuel but its fun my 206 seems so small now haha

slugoslugo272 08-01-2013 08:35 AM

Congrats on the purchase, I just bought my 272 last year and love the boat. Like Mr. Maine said handles the rough stuff great.

Crude Intentions 08-01-2013 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by endeavour32 (Post 3964996)
If you replace the gauges take a serious look at AutoMeter. I went with Livorsi but the damn things fade right in front of your eyes. Livorsi repaired them for me but after one year I see they are fading again. It's sort of ridiculous seeing that I live in northern Michigan and my boat one sees sunlight for 4-5 months a year. Also think twice about replacing the toggle switches. They are all little circuit breakers, so if you change them you are going to have to put in another breaker panel or fuse each one of them.


Most of those already have a breaker in the boat. It was a double protection. The ones that don't can be handled with an inline fuse. Spoke with formula about this as I hate those switches.

Also +1 on the auto meters. Love em

rcarroll 08-01-2013 09:05 AM

As soon as I can get some pics ill post them. Took down to ohio river last weekend everything worked well. I've got a oil leak somewhere that I need to check out but can't complain

Diego9040 08-24-2013 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by rcarroll (Post 3968964)
As soon as I can get some pics ill post them. Took down to ohio river last weekend everything worked well. I've got a oil leak somewhere that I need to check out but can't complain

Hi, we are still waiting for your pics, ehehehehe , how is your new (to you) boat going ? Hope you are enjoying it!

rcarroll 08-25-2013 12:11 PM

Everything is working out good I've got a few tanks of fuel through it with no major problems. Diego my boat is identical to yours. I need to make a photobucket account to get the pics.

Diego9040 08-25-2013 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by rcarroll (Post 3982878)
Everything is working out good I've got a few tanks of fuel through it with no major problems. Diego my boat is identical to yours. I need to make a photobucket account to get the pics.

Wow nice, I think it is a nice color combo,have not seen many around, it is called "Newport", congrats again.

88242LS 08-26-2013 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by rcarroll (Post 3982878)
Everything is working out good I've got a few tanks of fuel through it with no major problems. Diego my boat is identical to yours. I need to make a photobucket account to get the pics.

came outta Erie?

rcarroll 08-26-2013 06:34 PM

Yup sure did. Do u know the boat?

Diego9040 08-26-2013 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by rcarroll (Post 3983605)
Yup sure did. Do u know the boat?

Is it the one with red carpet inside? If yes, I saw it on eBay a while ago, it was out of Lake Erie as I remember

Diego9040 08-26-2013 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by Diego9040 (Post 3983707)
Is it the one with red carpet inside? If yes, I saw it on eBay a while ago, it was out of Lake Erie as I remember

If I am not mistaken "motocop" here in Oso went to see it.

rcarroll 08-27-2013 06:54 AM

It's got red carpet. It's on a tandem axel white steel trailer if that helps. I need to quit being lazy and get some pics on here.


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