"Chillin The Most" gets a make over - No longer Chillin
03-16-2016 | 08:45 PM
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Ok so I tore into mine a little more this evening with my engineer friend. He and I came to the conclusion that while pour foam would have worked if the plugs had been sealed enough that it was still clean between the hull and the liner that is not the case. It is dirty. I drilled a 2" hole in the liner to confirm this. SO to fix this properly it is going to require cutting. I also after pulling the caps in the bottom of the liner poked a wire around and there were a couple places that I could not only push the snake past the plexus but I was able to push it to the other side of the boat. I can't imagine this is normal?
So some interesting thoughts. Is this problem worse in cold climates? I am not sure were Bad Monkeys boat came from but mine has been in the North East all its life. If water is to get into the space between the hull and the liner the expansion could be extreme when it freezes. This could easily blow the two parts apart. What is concerning me is were I did cut into the liner I purposely did so half on and half off were I was almost certain that there was plexus. There was almost ZERO evidence of a good bond on the plexus. If it broke apart it should have ripped the glass fibers with it. This is sounding a lot like the guys that have also dealt with the rub rail issues?
So some interesting thoughts. Is this problem worse in cold climates? I am not sure were Bad Monkeys boat came from but mine has been in the North East all its life. If water is to get into the space between the hull and the liner the expansion could be extreme when it freezes. This could easily blow the two parts apart. What is concerning me is were I did cut into the liner I purposely did so half on and half off were I was almost certain that there was plexus. There was almost ZERO evidence of a good bond on the plexus. If it broke apart it should have ripped the glass fibers with it. This is sounding a lot like the guys that have also dealt with the rub rail issues?
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03-16-2016 | 09:04 PM
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03-17-2016 | 06:42 AM
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Ok so I tore into mine a little more this evening with my engineer friend. He and I came to the conclusion that while pour foam would have worked if the plugs had been sealed enough that it was still clean between the hull and the liner that is not the case. It is dirty. I drilled a 2" hole in the liner to confirm this. SO to fix this properly it is going to require cutting. I also after pulling the caps in the bottom of the liner poked a wire around and there were a couple places that I could not only push the snake past the plexus but I was able to push it to the other side of the boat. I can't imagine this is normal?
So some interesting thoughts. Is this problem worse in cold climates? I am not sure were Bad Monkeys boat came from but mine has been in the North East all its life. If water is to get into the space between the hull and the liner the expansion could be extreme when it freezes. This could easily blow the two parts apart. What is concerning me is were I did cut into the liner I purposely did so half on and half off were I was almost certain that there was plexus. There was almost ZERO evidence of a good bond on the plexus. If it broke apart it should have ripped the glass fibers with it. This is sounding a lot like the guys that have also dealt with the rub rail issues?
So some interesting thoughts. Is this problem worse in cold climates? I am not sure were Bad Monkeys boat came from but mine has been in the North East all its life. If water is to get into the space between the hull and the liner the expansion could be extreme when it freezes. This could easily blow the two parts apart. What is concerning me is were I did cut into the liner I purposely did so half on and half off were I was almost certain that there was plexus. There was almost ZERO evidence of a good bond on the plexus. If it broke apart it should have ripped the glass fibers with it. This is sounding a lot like the guys that have also dealt with the rub rail issues?
Our boat was purchased from Endicott, NY. Boat lived its life in 1000 Islands. Cold weather play a factor????? This really $ucks you're having to deal with this. I really am sorry brother. Sounds like you also have a stable thought process and will correct as needed.
Chris
03-17-2016 | 07:15 AM
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At the end of the day I have to A) be able to sell the boat with a clear mind that there is nothing wrong with it now that I have found the problem. I also just purchased the boat and have no idea if the person I purchased it from knew what was wrong with it or not. I guess it does not matter it just needs to be fixed now. B) Make sure the boat is enjoyable for me while I own it. I know that if that issue is not fixed that I will not be able to enjoy the boat and I will constantly be worried that something may fail OR even worse not use the boat the way it should be able to be used.
Chris I guess we are both going to have to deal with it together but honestly this may be one of those deals were every one of these things needs this repair or has had it. Our boats will have had the repair done. This IMO is going to be a selling point for me I am going to get rid of those stupid caps that is for sure so that I do not have to worry about any water getting between the hull halves and it will also look much nicer! As a plus the engineer and I discussed the fact that the boats should be faster with the stronger bottom. If the bottom is moving and IMO it did from day 1 then that is going to slow the boat. A strong flat true bottom is going to be faster! We worked our way up the bottom of the boat and it seems like the issue is isolated to the area behind the last step (closest to the back of the boat) and about 1 foot from the notch in the transom. This is certainly the area of the boat that is going to get the most impact while running so it is not a huge surprise. I guess in some ways I am benefiting from the intel I am getting from Dave and hopefully we can save some one else from having to figure this out on their own. We will have two documented boats with two different ways to fix it. I am going to set up an appointment with my brothers glass guy that he uses for his race sailboats as soon as possible as while I feel comfortable that I can do the repair I just don't have the time. This guy is amazing with repairs so i am hoping he likes the idea that my buddy and I came up with last night. The concern is making the cuts in the correct areas so that you don't create another week spot in the boat/liner. So no cutting anything near the corners yada yada yada.... Honestly it is what it is now it WILL get fixed. I guess you can blow up a motor and that will cost you a bunch or have to fix the glass and that will cost you a bunch. No one would bat an eye at the motor repair right? The concern with this is that unlike the motor it seems to be this unknown! I think that if people have a place to go look and see that this repair can be made and have some direction to go by it will make them feel better about it. I hope so anyhow. What is the point in being upset? Just got to get in there and fix it...$$$$$$
Chris I guess we are both going to have to deal with it together but honestly this may be one of those deals were every one of these things needs this repair or has had it. Our boats will have had the repair done. This IMO is going to be a selling point for me I am going to get rid of those stupid caps that is for sure so that I do not have to worry about any water getting between the hull halves and it will also look much nicer! As a plus the engineer and I discussed the fact that the boats should be faster with the stronger bottom. If the bottom is moving and IMO it did from day 1 then that is going to slow the boat. A strong flat true bottom is going to be faster! We worked our way up the bottom of the boat and it seems like the issue is isolated to the area behind the last step (closest to the back of the boat) and about 1 foot from the notch in the transom. This is certainly the area of the boat that is going to get the most impact while running so it is not a huge surprise. I guess in some ways I am benefiting from the intel I am getting from Dave and hopefully we can save some one else from having to figure this out on their own. We will have two documented boats with two different ways to fix it. I am going to set up an appointment with my brothers glass guy that he uses for his race sailboats as soon as possible as while I feel comfortable that I can do the repair I just don't have the time. This guy is amazing with repairs so i am hoping he likes the idea that my buddy and I came up with last night. The concern is making the cuts in the correct areas so that you don't create another week spot in the boat/liner. So no cutting anything near the corners yada yada yada.... Honestly it is what it is now it WILL get fixed. I guess you can blow up a motor and that will cost you a bunch or have to fix the glass and that will cost you a bunch. No one would bat an eye at the motor repair right? The concern with this is that unlike the motor it seems to be this unknown! I think that if people have a place to go look and see that this repair can be made and have some direction to go by it will make them feel better about it. I hope so anyhow. What is the point in being upset? Just got to get in there and fix it...$$$$$$
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