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dieselboy 04-26-2018 07:26 AM

Stepped vs Non-Stepped Formula 271
 
Is there a major speed or handling difference between the mid 90's straight hull 271 and the later 90's and up stepped hulls? I'm looking at one with a 502 in it.

TYIA

oh6662b 04-26-2018 06:19 PM

I have had a 99 271 with 502 stepped for 4 years. I"ve also owned a 272 and a 292. I think the 271 is the best performing boat of the 3. The 271 will hit 68 and cruises nicely at 45. If I slow down a little she will get better then 2 miles a gallon. I highly recommend the 271 with the stepped hull and 502.

bj1464 04-28-2018 06:42 PM

Never had a non step but upper sixties is possible

aquaforce 05-05-2018 09:27 PM

Venting the hull always reduces drag but reduced maneuvering goes with it. The mono hull has a more positive ride but that can be more harsh by comparison to the stepped ride. I was hesitant to get away from the mono hull because of the difference of higher plane speeds too but so far we like the softer ride of steps and the fuel burn is better this way.

racinfast002 05-07-2018 07:15 AM

Never had a non stepped bird, but I did have a 271 with a 502 and it was a good riding boat. I liked it so much I moved up to a 312 before going to the center console life. You won't be disappointed with a 271.

badmonkey 05-07-2018 10:41 AM

Stepped hull....ride is way better....wouldn't have it any other way.

Good luck,

jwurl 05-10-2018 08:12 AM

The stepped hull is good for 4- 5 mph compared to the flat bottom hull. Jeff wurl

Monaco20 10-26-2018 08:15 AM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...1a8bca8937.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...bc58a0b97e.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...82a46b7f1b.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b47baa5ac7.jpg
Well guys I know the stepped hull should gain some speed and be more efficient then the straight V bottom. Thought it depend how the hull is stepped
the Formula 271 Fastech is stepped very conservative and have only one step. I have read a lot about the 271 SR and 271 Ftech when it come sto speed
Most Sr1 with 496 Ho or 502 does 58 - 60 mph the 271 Tech the must test results says 63 mph … aprox 3 mph in favor of the Fastech . All GPS speeds
I still have my 1992 271 SR1 with 496 HO and reached my goal of 63 mph GPS actually 63,6 mph … Which I think is one of the best veryfied speedresult I have
been able to find with this set up ;-) My advantage is that the drive is aprox 1 inch higer than original (raised it when fixed the a rotten transom) disadvantage XR Drive
harder to run then a bravo 1 or bravo1x ...
63,6 mph Bravo1 XR Mirage 23+
61 mph Bravo1 XR Bravo1 24
62,2 mph Bravo1 X Bravo1 24 (Had a drive failure on the XR replaced it with new Bravo1 X drive) gained 1,2 mph
I am really looking forward to test the boat with the new Xdrive with the Mirage 23+ next season, maybe it is some speed to gain

ph1971 10-26-2018 07:14 PM

I had almost identical top speeds with a 90 242 ss,which of course is a straight bottom and virtually the same loa as a 271. The steps are only beneficial at cruise and do nothing at full speed because they are completely clear of the water. If you are running offshore in heavy swell with some tab and the length of the boat is wet then maybe... I personally think steps are a gimmick on a hull shorter than 30 ft. Not knocking the 271, I love em.

jwurl 10-27-2018 10:25 PM

My box stock 502 magnum 415hp fastech 271 would run 68 mph on gps with a 28p labbed bravo one prop . Jeff wurl

ph1971 10-28-2018 02:15 PM

Wow, I wonder what’s wrong with Monaco’s boat? 425 hp only gets him to 63.6. That’s pretty good for a 5300 lb. boat. Maybe he should get a gps like yours. I dunno

jwurl 10-28-2018 06:23 PM

I have a livorsi gps speedometer. Plenty of people on here with the same results. Jeff wurl

Monaco20 10-29-2018 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by jwurl (Post 4656361)
My box stock 502 magnum 415hp fastech 271 would run 68 mph on gps with a 28p labbed bravo one prop . Jeff wurl

Fantastic I have to say…
In boating magazin they testet the 271 Fastech with that power together with a lot of other boats, top speed 63 mph
The distributer of Formula in Europe got 72 mph 271 Fastech with a Merc 525 ( They know what they are doing by the way)
Your results are amazing I whish I could bee close ;-)

I dear you all who have a 271 SR1 or Fastech who does more then 63 mph (GPS) with 496 HO stock 425 or 502 Stock 415 hp, to post a photo of the speed achived

Jeff I do not doubt your word, its just an amazing result, who labbed your propp ?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fa3a3ac5d7.jpg




The weight on the 271 dry are 5600 pounds

ph1971 10-29-2018 06:07 PM

You are making great speed for the weight you are pushing with the power that you have. And Formula stability never hurts. Fine tuning and reliable parts make Jack a happy boater. Nice boat Monaco.

dbkski 10-30-2018 03:03 AM

Here is a snippet of test results from boat magazines for the Formula 271's.
I almost bought a new 271 but the speeds quoted to me by Formula and the
local dealer turned me off. I was told 68ish with a HP525.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6357bdca6d.jpg

Monaco20 10-30-2018 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by dbkski (Post 4656682)
Here is a snippet of test results from boat magazines for the Formula 271's.
I almost bought a new 271 but the speeds quoted to me by Formula and the
local dealer turned me off. I was told 68ish with a HP525.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6357bdca6d.jpg

Thank you for this info :-) What it says regarding the 271 is first of all with 502 or 496 Ho its arround the 63 mph (radar, which is kind of accurate) also at this kind of pwer
it is mot very big differanse between the stepped hull and the normal V bottom.
You should have bought the 271, its a great boat ;-) With the 525 the 271 fastech does 72, what is very interesting is the result with the Ligenfelter modified engine 540 HP it does 75,9 mph on the radar, and its an SR1 V bottom, this is a very good result, the boat must have been tuned in perfectly ….
I have this test somewhere and I will post it here ;-) ;-) https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fbe3770cbb.jpg

Out of the water after my 502 545 HP racing engine broke... Installed the 496 HO ;-)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...061c652c57.jpg

503 545 HP dynoed
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3e714a41d3.jpg

496 HO

Monaco20 10-30-2018 05:04 AM

Ligenfelter 271 test
https://books.google.no/books?id=M1H...felter&f=false
Singel engine sport boat test
https://books.google.no/books?id=Z-v...20test&f=false

oconnor marine 10-31-2018 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by jwurl (Post 4656361)
My box stock 502 magnum 415hp fastech 271 would run 68 mph on gps with a 28p labbed bravo one prop . Jeff wurl

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...26882fc943.jpg
GPS said 67

Monaco20 10-31-2018 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by oconnor marine (Post 4656901)

272 very nice classic boats, much bigger then the 271 Sr1 67 mph must be a good result with small blocks ;-) ;-)

Priobe 11-02-2018 06:25 PM

Would it be possible to show the 312 with 502s ?
The picture is cutting off the 502 section. Also the 252 which I had hit 55 mph with gps, so you can really go by this chart IMO.

dbkski 11-11-2018 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by Priobe (Post 4657235)
Would it be possible to show the 312 with 502s?

To whom are you directing this question?

Priobe 11-11-2018 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by dbkski (Post 4658360)
To whom are you directing this question?

to you
you posted the chart but only shows 312 with 454. I was hoping you can post the 312 with 502s

thanks

dbkski 11-11-2018 09:05 PM

OK.
I'll get on it.

dbkski 11-12-2018 02:06 AM

I took a new pic but there is no 312 with 502's.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4afc3c4dde.jpg

Zone 5 11-15-2018 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by jwurl (Post 4656361)
My box stock 502 magnum 415hp fastech 271 would run 68 mph on gps with a 28p labbed bravo one prop . Jeff wurl


Originally Posted by ph1971 (Post 4656416)
Wow, I wonder what’s wrong with Monaco’s boat? 425 hp only gets him to 63.6. That’s pretty good for a 5300 lb. boat. Maybe he should get a gps like yours. I dunno

jwurl is running a 28p LABBED prop. Stock prop on a 271 is a 26p stock B1. Major difference A labbed 28 is going to give speeds like a stock 30.So in effect you are gainning 4" over stock or around 6-800 RPM. Still a really good speed for a bone stock 502Mag boat

I have had both an SR1 271 with a 454 Mag and a 271 Fastech with a 502. The sr1 did around 60 @ 5000. The Fastech did low 60's (62-63) @ 5000. All speeds on Garmin GPS.

Monaco20 11-19-2018 03:22 AM

So except if you compare the result from Jwurl 68 mph, I should be kind of happy with my 63,6 gps mph on the SR1 hull non stepped.
I am looking forward to test the boat next season, changed from an old Bravo1 XR Drive to a Bravo1 X Drive, I have been tod the te XR drive steal more power
then the other x drive :-) Do not now if it will be any better result, lets see. I am also considering to change to Custome Marine headers (CMI Top Split Headers)
The advertising says that they gains power and speed ;-)

jwurl 11-19-2018 07:51 PM

Yes the XR drives suck power and speed. My original drive was a 1.65 ratio standard Bravo. Boat was running 68 mph on GPS. I blew the drive and installed a brand new 1.50 Ratio XR. Prop was then switch from a 28p to a 24p Bravo 1 4 blade. Speed was now down to 63 -64 on GPS at best. I have put roughly $50K plus in a complete repower since. 715hp EFI 540 CI, 280 tabs, Imco full hydraulic steering, ect. Now when the boat tops 78 mph it has pretty major chine walk and gets scary. Best I have seen is low 80s wthout having to back out of the throttle. Still have plenty of throttle and RPM left so I think the boat could do mid 80s set up right. Now I am debating having the hull blue printed, possibly messing with extension boxes and drive heights, or just move up to a larger boat with twins. jeff Wurl

Monaco20 11-20-2018 04:13 AM

Dear Jwurl Very interresting to read your results.. some questions
1 Did you do any testing of propellers before you ending up with the labbed Bravo1 28 pich, what was the results/ improvment
2 What about the ratio 1.65 to1.50 do you think that this will be a big difference when and if you find the correct propeller ? Or is
it only the difference between XR and X drive that has such an impact on the result… My new drive is an Xdrive 1.50
3 How did you mount your 280 tabs ? Mine is parallel mounted take a look at the picture in my earlier post. The owner before me
had a 540 kompressor engine with 840 HP, said that it was a big help regarding the chinewalk ;-)
I am considering to buy a used Procharger to my 496 HO on the lowest boost 3,5 psi it will give my engine aprox 550 hp
that should maybe get me in the low 70 ties :-)

Monaco20 11-20-2018 05:04 AM

This is what the owner before me posted at this Forum :-)

Well I have a 1993 271 sr1.
I have installed a 540 whipple engine. 830 Hp
I run a bravo xr 1.50 and are into testing propellers,
I run now 80 miles, at 5500 rpm, with a bravo1 28 pitch.
The problem is now that the boat bounces from side to side and get really uncomfortable to drive.
So I am wondering what to do..

Second post
This winter, the boat is taken apart, the transom was pretty rotten so most of the plywood in the transom was removed, now the transom is like new again. I am going to lift the x dimensions up 3" for the transom, montage 280 k planes and lantham double ram steering. So I hope the boat will not do the chine walk. The boat has also going thru a diet.
I think I can lighten the boat for aprox 250 pounds or more. Time will show how much I can remove without sacrifising the comfort of the boat.
( The boat was not lighten only rebuild, and the X dimensions where only lifted aprox 1.5 ") I am pretty sure he got 84 mph out of it, but never found the
perfect propeller ;-)

According to Kjetil the the owner before me, the 280 K Planes helped a lot against the Chinewalk. Becuase of the mounting of them he had to mount the Hydraulic steering in away that it was impossible to manouver the boat in slow speed and at the docks, so I removed it. I bought the boat with out the engine as well.


Zone 5 11-20-2018 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by Monaco20 (Post 4660022)
Dear Jwurl Very interresting to read your results.. some questions
1 Did you do any testing of propellers before you ending up with the labbed Bravo1 28 pich, what was the results/ improvment
2 What about the ratio 1.65 to1.50 do you think that this will be a big difference when and if you find the correct propeller ? Or is
it only the difference between XR and X drive that has such an impact on the result… My new drive is an Xdrive 1.50

In "theory" the 1.5 should be faster than the the 1.65. I only ran mine with a 1.65 and got low-mid 70's with ~ 600 HP. The identical boat to mine with a Whipple (~650 HP) and a 1.5 ran high 70's, and touched 80. Can't remember the prop on it.
On mine we tested 26/28/30. Top speed on 26/28 were the same, just 26 @ 6K, and 28 @ 5500. The 30 would only pull 5K, and was slower. But it cruised at super low RPM.
XR straight cut gears eat HP, but also less likely to break if pushing HP through it. Mine was a standard B1 drive and it was run WOT all the time, but it was not beat on getting on plane or jumping.

Zone 5 11-20-2018 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Monaco20 (Post 4659850)
So except if you compare the result from Jwurl 68 mph, I should be kind of happy with my 63,6 gps mph on the SR1 hull non stepped.
I am looking forward to test the boat next season, changed from an old Bravo1 XR Drive to a Bravo1 X Drive, I have been tod the te XR drive steal more power
then the other x drive :-) Do not now if it will be any better result, lets see. I am also considering to change to Custome Marine headers (CMI Top Split Headers)
The advertising says that they gains power and speed ;-)

Yes, 63.6 with a bone stock 502 on an SR 271 is a great speed. And no, adding CMI exhaust to that motor is a total waste of money. You will see nothing except less money in your bank acct. Exhaust only has an effect on power when you modify the stock motor.

Monaco20 11-21-2018 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4660180)
Yes, 63.6 with a bone stock 502 on an SR 271 is a great speed. And no, adding CMI exhaust to that motor is a total waste of money. You will see nothing except less money in your bank acct. Exhaust only has an effect on power when you modify the stock motor.

Hi Zone 5
I do not have a 502 I have a 496 HO
its a 2009 model so its time to change the manifolds anyway..I have an offer to buy this CMI Headers for 400 USD :-) I will of course pressure test them first
Maybe it will give me some more power I do not know

ph1971 11-21-2018 06:18 PM

I upgraded to CMI e tops on a 415 hp 502 and didn’t gain a lot on top. The difference was everywhere else. The torque improvement was noticeable especially from cruise to WOT. The tach needle took half as long to get to 5000. I bought mine new and really regret not getting the O2 ports but otherwise they are still on the boat 5 yrs later. Aluminum head 540 now.

jwurl 11-21-2018 09:07 PM

My 280 tabs are mounted at the same angle as the hull and mounted 3/4 inch up from the edge . That is the way the mercury instructions said to mount them. The drive is a 1.50 ratio because that is the highest ratio you can get in an Xr.

Monaco20 11-26-2018 08:55 AM

Jwurl, I think is the most common way to mount the 280 Tabs
If you look at the picture of my transom you can see how the 280 are mounted.
According to the owner before me, this way works very well to avoid chine walking on the 271.. I can not confirm it my self, because I am so far at 63,6 mph he he
I have seen that some Fountains are done the same way as mine


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