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GLENAMY 242SS 09-27-2018 07:05 PM

Personally I would pass. Early model and looks to have a good amount of corrosion. Looks like somebody painted over some of the corrosion. How much slop in the gimble?
Does the $ 3,500 include the motor? Even if it does a 330hp 454 with 600 hrs is tired and ready to be tossed.

Alwhite00 09-27-2018 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by GLENAMY 242SS (Post 4651549)
Personally I would pass. Early model and looks to have a good amount of corrosion. Looks like somebody painted over some of the corrosion. How much slop in the gimble?
Does the $ 3,500 include the motor? Even if it does a 330hp 454 with 600 hrs is tired and ready to be tossed.

yes, complete boat with tandem trailer. Big blocks are only good for 600hrs? Damn, I had a 86 260 knocking on 1000 hours and it purred like a kitten. I understand that a brand new big block and a new bravo would be ideal but I don’t want to dump 20k into a 10k boat. I guess I am just looking for a donor and came across this one at what I thought was a decent price but it sounds li not.

GLENAMY 242SS 09-27-2018 07:23 PM

Hey, it may be a screaming deal just does not look like it to me. Go look and make up your mind but do yourself a favor and take a knowledgeable boat person with you.
Good Luck

BUP 09-27-2018 07:35 PM

rotted transom and I would bet on it

Alwhite00 09-27-2018 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4651560)
rotted transom and I would bet on it

the boat is going to end up in a landfill, I am just looking for a drivetrain.

ph1971 09-27-2018 07:57 PM

A friend of mine bought a Chapperal with a 454 and a Bravo 1 in excellent shape. A tree had fallen on the boat and jacked up the windshield. The bid he won with wouldn’t get you the trailer the boat was on. Search big block Bravo1 boats for sale on eBay. It’s no guarantee and kind of tricky to win, but I know it can be done. Look at the pictures very closely for clues about condition, because you may not have time to inspect the listing.

GLENAMY 242SS 09-27-2018 09:17 PM

Show us pics of the engine and bilge and condition of axillary mechanicals.

Alwhite00 09-27-2018 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by GLENAMY 242SS (Post 4651573)
Show us pics of the engine and bilge and condition of axillary mechanicals.

im working on getting pictures, will post when I get them.

Is 600 hours really the end of life for a 7.4?

Redneckcustoms13 09-28-2018 06:13 AM

It really would depend how the engine was cared for and operated. By the looks of that drive and boat for that matter I wouldnt get my hopes up. Poor ole rig looks rough. 600 hours under 3k sure shes got life left. 600 hours with 75 percent of them at 5k I'd bet shes getting tired.
Think of it like a drag car. A season on an engine and refresh it. Sure the engine may only have 500 miles on it by the end of the year but they are wide open miles and hard on it.

GLENAMY 242SS 09-28-2018 07:47 AM

How soon do you plan on tearing your engine/drive out of your boat?

AllDodge 09-28-2018 07:58 AM

If a 454 is worn out at 600 hours guess I need to be thinking about a rebuild in another 50 hours, but she sure is running good :popcorn:

GLENAMY 242SS 09-28-2018 08:10 AM

Common Dodge, I got money to bet your transom bears NO resemblance to the one posted.

AllDodge 09-28-2018 08:36 AM

Oil circulation started in 1991 and had a single hole in the upper half for rams. B3 introduced in 1993 and had a extension plate to cover the second prop. Anode on prop shaft added in 1995 and in 1996-1/2 anti-ventilation plate extended for B3. In 1997 1/2 elongated hole added

Alwhite00 09-28-2018 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by GLENAMY 242SS (Post 4651622)
How soon do you plan on tearing your engine/drive out of your boat?

I'm in no hurry, whenever I find something I'll do the swap .

GLENAMY 242SS 09-28-2018 10:10 AM

The reason I ask is it takes longer than you think it will if you do it right. You will want to clean/paint the bilge check all wiring, clean all wire terminals, I replaced all of mine with glue/shrink terminals. Clean all of the support equipment and test for operation (trim tabs/pump) lift motor/solenoids, bilge pump/blowers, well you get the idea. Maybe some others that have done this will chine in and enlighten as to what was involved with their swap.
You probably want to pull the platform and check for rot inside of it. If you have thru prop exhaust you need to decide what you plan to do there, it is not as simple to swap to through transom as you may think. Be prepared for transom/stringer work if necessary.
Not trying to discourage you in any way merely pointing out this usually is not an overnight job, it takes a while to do it right.
I will keep looking for the parts you need and let you know if I find anything interesting.
Gary

Alwhite00 09-28-2018 11:06 AM

Thank you.

No through prop. It's thru hull.

TomZ 09-28-2018 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by GLENAMY 242SS (Post 4651648)
The reason I ask is it takes longer than you think it will if you do it right. You will want to clean/paint the bilge check all wiring, clean all wire terminals, I replaced all of mine with glue/shrink terminals. Clean all of the support equipment and test for operation (trim tabs/pump) lift motor/solenoids, bilge pump/blowers, well you get the idea. Maybe some others that have done this will chine in and enlighten as to what was involved with their swap.
You probably want to pull the platform and check for rot inside of it. If you have thru prop exhaust you need to decide what you plan to do there, it is not as simple to swap to through transom as you may think. Be prepared for transom/stringer work if necessary.
Not trying to discourage you in any way merely pointing out this usually is not an overnight job, it takes a while to do it right.
I will keep looking for the parts you need and let you know if I find anything interesting.
Gary

And that's what this group is all about!

Alwhite00 09-29-2018 11:59 AM

Ok, here are the pictures. Motor looks decent, outdrive obviously sat in the water for quite some time. What can you guys tell me about it? https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3ca9786a5a.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...5f1c6242bc.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8b30e50689.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9fbd4321e9.jpg

TomZ 09-29-2018 12:11 PM

1989 7.4L 330 Bravo 1. Uses the drive reservoir set-up so that’s a plus.

The engine looks clean, and the drive not too bad (clean it up and repaint).

Check oil on both. You’ll want to drain some out of the leg to inspect for shavings and such. Having the drive gone through and resealed wouldn’t be bad.

Transom assembly will probably need a refresh (but that’s necessary on all of them). Replace the swivel pins and bushings (much easier to do off the boat). New bellows and gimbal bearings.

On the engine if you can get a compression test, that’ll be good knowledge to have. What’s up with rocker switch? What’s the boat and how many hours?

You’ll want to go through the exhaust. Fresh water isn’t bad, but any level of salt exposure will probably require replacement.

GLENAMY 242SS 09-29-2018 12:17 PM

Tom I normally agree with you, but, on this one I say run don't walk.
As for this being an oiler? I don't think so.

AllDodge 09-29-2018 12:19 PM

Being a 1989 it will not have oil circulation in the drive. See how much play is in the gimbal

Alwhite00 09-29-2018 01:20 PM

600 hours. I don't see the drive resivior on the engine, is this what to look for? I am not versed in all of the bravo changes over the years.

ph1971 09-29-2018 01:24 PM

I think I can guess what those water jackets look like. There are lots of older boats for sale out there. If it were me I would keep looking. Your boat is too nice to cram a bunch of junk in it. JMO but that boat is either owned or serviced by someone who doesn’t care. Or both.

GLENAMY 242SS 09-29-2018 01:30 PM

^^^x10

TomZ 09-29-2018 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by GLENAMY 242SS (Post 4651796)
Tom I normally agree with you, but, on this one I say run don't walk.
As for this being an oiler? I don't think so.

My bad. I really only looked at the engine pic. I didn’t see the full drive pic. iPhone problems.

When I I looked up the serial number, it listed having the reservoir (my ‘89 242 had the reservoir).

I agree though. There are plenty of other ones to find. I would look for a Magnum too.

Alwhite00 09-29-2018 03:16 PM

Ok, I’m going to pass. The guy said it is winterized so I can’t even hear it run, wtf? How the hell do you expect to sell something like that?

AllDodge 09-29-2018 03:21 PM

Just walk away there is something wrong

GLENAMY 242SS 09-29-2018 04:58 PM

Akwhite,m I am sending you a private message. Please read, I may have found you a 7.4 mag w/30 hours on it. I am sending you my contact info so we can talk.

Gary

ph1971 09-30-2018 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4651809)
Just walk away there is something wrong

my money is on overheating. That spaghetti wiring job is likely an attempt to shut the high temp alarm off.


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