I feel fine man, I hope your brand bashing makes you feel better. I think everyone knows that Formulas aren’t Apaches but just Incase they don’t, you are here. Thanks Moses

yesssss!!!!

for the record I wasn’t brand bashing. I genuinely love formulas.

:thankyouthankyou::champs:

I’ve owned a couple formulas, worked on dozens. Not a fan of 353’s or 382’s at all. Seen 4 that had broken hull to deck joints, one that the bottom fell apart, plexus bonding issue.
I’m not saying they are a horrible boat, but I wouldn’t want one capable of 75+ mph, or want to spend 80k+ on one. Much better out there.
I was a fan of the 292 though for what it was, a small decently quick bay boat.

LOL. You have to be the first person that I've ever seen call a Formula "light". If a 382 is a "light" layup at 10450 lbs dry, what does that make a 38 TG that weighs 9900lbs dry? A "lighter" layup? That 600 lbs has to be somewhere, and as we know the engines/drives/interior/cabin weigh about the same, that leaves it to be in the hull & deck. I'd call that pretty much the same weight. Neither is light. For the couple of years that Formula made the SR1 version, it weighed the same. (10450) A non stepped 38 TG weighed between 10500-11K, so again, the same weight. So neither was light, and you certainly can't call a 382 a "light" layup.

I've worked on a bunch too, and owned a 271/292/353/382. When I owned them, the 292/353/382 were each in the 15-20 year old age bracket and were all flawless in every way. I've seen the pics on OSO of bonding issues, and I'd agree that its not one of Formula's prouder moments, but I've never seen it on mine or any I worked on. I used to agree with you on the 292 till I owned one. Impossible to work on engines in tiny engine bay, Ran nice, but compared to the steps in the 353, I thought the 292's grabbed in anything more than a gentle turn. My 271 with 600 HP was faster and quicker, rode almost as well, with a single could be worked on and the cabin/cockpit were about identical to 292. 353 was the best fast, room, turned well, and took wakes/waves smoothly.

You can’t simply compare weights and say they have the same layups

the new cigarettes have nothing in the cabin. 2 benches and a porta potti. Most formulas have enclosed heads, sinks, kitchens, beds, ac’s, generators, tv’s, counter tops, etc.

the formulas also have full wrap windshields which the cigs do not have. You subtract all of that out…it’s likely a 1000-1500 lb difference if not more

the old flat bottom top guns also don’t weigh 9,900 lbs. More like 10,500 maybe more. They are heavy and slow. Built like $hit brick houses.

anyways I’m gonna stop pissing off the formula guys. I’ve owned both boats and I’ve owned them long enough to know the difference.

it’s not even close.

carry on.

Wow, this sure turned into a pissing match in a hurry. Interesting read, that's for sure.

This is why I only boat in virgin RO spring water. much gentler on the hull.

Did you miss where I posted the weight of the non stepped TG's?? Its above again for you. I'm aware that they were "tanks" and just FYI, the dry weight on a 382 does not include all the stuff like generators/AC and real heads etc. Its the basic weight. Those are all extra. If its on the option list, its not in the weight. The long and short is that both boats are great boats. Both originally started by the same man. As time went by, Cig went down more of a performance path than Formula did,