What's a 357 Kaama worth??
 

I was just wondering what one would expect to pay for an 86' 357 in pretty good overall condition? Boat has spruced up 454's and a trailer. I was hoping someone could shed some light for me. Thanks

My guess would be 40-ish. If it's a really nice turn key rig then maybe 44 or so. That's getting pretty old though so if I were buying I would be offering mid thirties tops, regardless of condition.

I'd say 35 to 40 K if it's in really good shape. Check for stress cracks, those 357's are known to flex.

I agree, in the forties. Now a 302 with Kaama's is worth twice that much!;)

I paid $31k for this '85 with blown 454s (540hp) with 81 hours on engines and trailer. ($22,000 was spent on engine rebuilds). Bought it about 6 months ago in VT. Nice boat. Needs some TLC but I thought it was a good deal. Here are a few pics. I don't know that I'd pay 40s for an '86 with Kammas. But, it depends on the condition.

Engines

Deck -

They do flex. But, I was told by a few people that when i replace the rub rail I could thru bolt the deck/hull to replace the scrwes and it helps the flex a lot.

Needs carpet and new depthfinder

That was a steal! How do you like it?

All the vinyl was in good shape - one or two "fixed" tears but not bad.

Of course the older ones will have that wood swim platform. Some like it. Some remove it. I'm going to end up removing it and go with a tubular one.

A few of the buttons, lights, etc. didn't work

This was really the worst of the boat. One of the hatched leaked so it needs new carpet in the cabin. But, this should give you a pretty good idea of the condition and my '85 is a very similar boat. The '86 has Kammas vs. my TRS but with my 85s blowers and engine work i'd say the engine/outdrive value is nearly a wash. Add a few bucks for the difference between '85 and '86 and basr it on the condition. I don't think you'd get to the mid 40s. Maybe high 30s. (I think they were asking $35 for mine and I got it for $31.) Now on the other hand if it has like 80 original hours (I think Cuda got his 302 next to new) and it's in great shape that's certainly worth the premium. I'd definitely have it surveyed.

I'd also see how eager they are to sell. Mine was in VT and they were either going to have to sell fast or winterize it so the seller was anxious.

If you have pics of the '86 post 'em.

I love it. But, I've only had it out once. We'll de-winterize here in Central TX around the first part of March. Can't wait.

Bford-maybe think about painting your foredeck hatches white, I did mine and I think it would look really good on yours. Russ

Yes, I had thought of that and wanted to dut on white rubrail also. What did you use to paint it? I assume you'd have to use some sort of flex agent in the paint for the plastic parts.

Believe it or not, I just used Krylons's "Fusion" paint, specially formulated to bond to plastic and it has a flex capability. You can get this at any hardware store. Worked surprisingly well and has held up nicely. Don't put it on too thick, just enough to not to be blotchy, spray in VERY thin coats. I got one of mine a little too thick and it cracked in a couple of spots. Sanded it back down, did the same as the other three and no more problems.

Outlaw - Thanks I'll have to try that. Did you paint both sides? I guess you would have to to get it to look right. And, I assume you painted them on thye boat. One of mine leaks so I am putting new rubber in it. But, if that doesn't help then I may have to remove it and rebed the entire hatch. Seems like a good time to paint it. I have never removed one of these hatches before but it seems fairly easy.

Thanks guys for the input. Just testing the market. You guys Know Formula so this is the place for helpful information. bfrod 1 you stole that boat. It looks like a sweet ride. Here are a few pics of my bird. I am thinking of getting into a 382 or a 353. What do you think?

Drives--Had them off and replaced bearings a seals only for preventative reasons

Deck

Cockpit--kind of a crappy pic it was getting dark.

Perfectmix,
Very nice looking boat!! Finish looks to be in very good condition, nice color scheme too. Has the vinyl been replaced? Formula usually used more colors than what your's shows. But, I really like the simplicity of yours. Looks to be white and off-white or light grey.

Had the boat long? Nice trailer too!:cool:

Perfectmix,
If your boat is as nice as it looks in those pics,,,, 40k minimum!!!! That one is way too nice to let go cheaply.

Wow, is that the '86 357 with Kammas??? Very, very nice looking. I agree 100%. If that boat is in as good condition as it looks to be in the pics then $40k minimum. I really like the white/grey interior. I thought I liked the interior colors actually I think it looks better plain like that.

What does it have for engines? And, what kind of mph are you getting out of it?

Thanks bford & thirdbird
I bought the boat 4 years ago with and the engines and vinyl had been recently replaced. I loved the boat so much I had to build a big a@# garage to put the thing. Now I'm faced with a dilema. I want to go faster and I have to decide to either install big power or buy a newer bird thats already set up. Right now I get upper 60's with a set of 475+/- hp 454's. They run very nice but you know how it goes. Always have to go faster.
Boat was surveyed last year and looked good.
decisions,decisions.

Beautiful boat. Worth in the 40's as it sits. Take off that Bimini and make it worth 50! :D

(Sorry, just continuing my war against bimini tops):)

Sorry Cuda, just got back from a trip that day. The bimini normally resides in my garage. By the way awesome pics on the Kaama boot replacement. That job is no fun but thanks for the posts.

Ok, just try not to let it happen again! :)

My wife would love to have that bimini top. ;-) But, I can find better uses for that money.

Perfectmix - How does your 357 handle big water? Do you get much hull flex? I'm surprised you're not getting more speed out of it. Mine will run 76-77. The engines are 454s with B&M 174 blowers at approx. 540 hp each and of course TRS drives. With a few mods and your Kammas I'd think high 70s would be attainable fairly easy.

PerfectMix, you just hold on to that boat until I can round up the money, ya hear? Don't make me come "up north" and put a whoopin' on ya, now... ;)

Dockrocker, that boat is all you! I know you've been looking for a while now, we need to keep this baby in the Oso family.

Perfect'
Sweet looking Bird.
Keep uncle ernie in mind when it's time to sell. ;)
Kaama's are cool. :cool:
I've been looking at 311's and 357's , but have been kinda hoping to find one with Surface Drives (despite advise to the contrary.
Would definetly give yours a look.

Thanx,

Uncle Ernie :D

Dockrocker

Being that you are from Hockeytown that's not that far from T.C. Some of us are planning a trip to Put-In Bay.
I heard that is a pretty good time and lots of fast rigs.
I'm thinking to avoid any woopins' I can go to Put-In, party all weekend then just leave the 357 with you. Save us both a trip. Maybe you know an engine shop down there by the name of Jomar Performance? The guy's name is Andy. I'm talking to him about doing some engine upgrades. The boat runs good right now, but I got the bug to go faster. You now how it goes.
I was out in the garage last night contemplating.

Uncle Earnie

Thanks, I wish I knew you were looking for a 311 w/kaama's I just sold one last week. I bought it last summer because I couldn't't pass up the deal. It was nice to compare the two Kaama boats but one had to go and I decided to keep the 357. The 311 only had 280hrs and sat on a nice eagle trailer. It had 454 400hp engines that pushed it 70mph easy.
How big of hurry are you in to find a boat? I will know soon about mine. Let me know.

Thanks again
Pefectmix

Drives

Perfect,

Your killing me.
The Kamma / Surface Drive thing has been building steam in me for some time. I'm so weak.
I've still got 10 foot'itis (got a little 20') and am looking.
Keep me in mind (esp. if ya find any 311's with Kaama's :D

Thanx,
Uncle Ernie

hey josh,

this is Rob (rambunctious) logged on at waterfoul's since i'm too cheap to date to buy a membership. may have to break down now to post on formula page.

anyway....i have not lost interest since last summer, tried three times to hook up. was even 2 miles from the boat at one point and wife was not interested at looking at a boat in the pouring rain. just stopped bugging you .... well......till now......

anyway.

any chance you will be around for me and the boys to stop buy and check the boat out. we will be on our way to Grand Marais enjoying our winter sport of snowmobiling.

as long as you have room to trun around mitchstellin's lifted excursion and a 4 place covered trailer in the driveway??????

we will be passing through galord about 6:3-7:00pm this thursday night.


Rob

oh....and thanks mikemike (waterfoul)

check out classifieds,theres a 357 with kaamas and new gen 6 502s for 39k,is this worth it?

JJ,
Only if you don't mind dragging it across the Rockies during the winter (for us mid-westerners, just noticed your on the Left Coast).
:rolleyes:

But if it is in good condition (survey), it would seem to be a good deal.